really awesome plot twist


the way it turned out joker was the one who hired the assassins and put the bounty on batman and not black mask that is genius

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I didn't like it. I was hoping we'd have Black Mask as the primary antagonist with the Joker popping up to the side. We've had the Joker as the 'big bad' in the last two Arkham games now. I was looking forward to something different.

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I agree with Command. It was a really dumb plot twist.

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well im not a fan of black mask so thats your opinion

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Agreed. I love Black Mask. I suppose I understand why the Joker was involved, being that this was a prequel of sorts and if he's in the other two he's probably going to be in this one, but having Black Mask would have made things much more interesting.

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It was a good plot twist, but it would have been better if we didn't have two previous games that focused on Joker already.

It is cool to go back and notice how "Black Mask" looks a little too skinny and is talking in a more theatrical way than he normally would early on.

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The plot twist here was done better than the crap they pulled with Arkham City. If the twist had happened at the end it would've been horrible but it happened early on and it worked. That and they really delved into Joker's obsession with Batman with this game and it was beautiful. The characters in this were more redefined and developed than in previous games. And to be fair, after seeing Black Mask getting his ass kicked so easily in Arkham City at the beginning it kind of ruined his character for me.

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The twist ruined it for me. We've already had the joker as the main villain for the last two games. Are joker fanboys that desperate that they can't go a single game without the joker as the main villain, and they have to have the joker crap all over other villains to do so?

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I agree, it wasn't that well thought out.

I know that they wanted to find a way to put him in this one, since they killed him at the end of Arkham City, but having him as the mastermind all along was just kind of expected.

He also just conveniently moves to Gotham a few days before the whole events and knows how to terrorize the entire city... which doesn't make a whole lot of sense becusae we already know that Batman's been tracking "Red Hood" based on the newspaper clippings in the Batcave.

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It was also a shame since they didn't have Mark Hamill as Joker , but story wise it at least made sense that he might sound different before years of messing with Batman. But having no prior Black Mask experience besides seeing his Mask on the wall in Asylum , Seeing the Sionis Steel Mill in City , it was nice to finally see this guy in action.

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Now don't get me wrong, I love The Joker. But I do think it's getting a bit ridiculous that no other Batman villain seems to be really able to get the limelight anymore because they always feel the need to throw him in front and center because he's popular or because they don't have enough faith in any other villains being able to carry a game. For the sake of variety I would have loved to have seen (the vastly underrated) Hugo Strange (or if they really needed him Ra's Al Ghul, though I will say he is another villain who I could easily see carry a game as the main antagonist) and Black Mask get to be main antagonists of City and Origins. Now that's not to say I don't think Joker should have been in the game. Setting him up is perfectly fine. Heck, maybe even having him as the Red Hood in it as one of the assassins (having him fall into a vat of chemicals by the end after a boss fight) could have been fun. (Just spitballing though) Though even if he was The Joker by then, that doesn't mean he needed to be the fully fledged, top of his game mastermind who is made the focus.

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that doesn't mean he needed to be the fully fledged, top of his game mastermind who is made the focus.
Exactly, and that's some of what hurt this game. They could certainly introduce the character, but he didn't have to be the complete mastermind that they had him be. (Especially since he claimed he was only in Gotham for 5 days...) Last time I checked, building an "amusement park" can't really be done in an evening either, but it's a game so that part is a little more forgivable.

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Even the Joker in City wasn't the primary atagonist. I think Rocksteady knew full well somebody else needed to be "the boss." The primary reasons Joker was in that game at all was to tie to Arkham Asylum and, of course to finish off his story line. I think most people found that acceptable and could deal with that so long as Joker is DONE. Warner Montreal wasn't paying attention to that...just like they weren't paying attention to really anything that people wanted.

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The thing about that, is that there are almost two different plotlines going on in Arkham City. The Hugo Strange/Ra's al Ghul Protocol 10 one, and the sick Joker poisoning the city one. The issue for me is that the former seems to get sidelined most of the time in favor of the latter. If they wanted a more Joker-centric game than I think they should have just waited on doing anything with those other two rather than having them get railroaded aside. Or at least, that's how I personally see it.

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Revealing it early on was a good choice. I liked the twist, and I really liked seeing Bats and Joker interact as well as Batman's reaction to how crazy Joker was.

To be honest, I think I like the cut-scenes in this game the most out of the entire series to date. Maybe not the story so much, but the cinematic way in which they are presented...feels really refined to me. As much as I think it's pointless that they recast characters, I have to hand it to the actors for doing a great job with the material. I can't recall any scenes in Asylum of City with as much raw emotion as the scene where Batman and Alfred have that shouting match in the batcave.

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