Juliet IS RIGHT.


She didn't say it as delicately as she should have, but suicide is incredibly selfish to the family and friends of the victim.

I was at the end of my rope a FEW times and contemplated it, so I can understand where Adela is coming from. You have this idea of being a burden to everyone, and that taking yourself out of the picture would make everyone's life easier. But I also see how upset my family and friends would be if I had gone through with it and didn't ask for help.

I had a coworker whose bro killed himself, and he still to this day (13 years ago) blames himself for his death. Suicide affects everyone.

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It wasn't the time and she's not close enough with her to make that judgement.

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It wasn't the time and she's not close enough with her to make that judgement.


 Absolutely. The timing was so just damn inappropriate.

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I agree that suicide is the ultimate selfish act. However, if you have never experienced the deep despair of depression it is wrong to criticize someone for attempting suicide. Juliet reacted so strongly that it makes me wonder if maybe someone close to her committed suicide. It seemed to strike a nerve.

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Posted in the other thread without seeing that there was a duplicate but this looks like the active one. Anyway...

It is not something any family should have to endure but from the sufferer's eyes, it is selfish to force them to endure the pain of living when they can see no end to their suffering. Calling it selfish is probably not the thing to say to someone in such circumstances.

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I agree, Rose. I understand what Juliet was saying, but I feel like she wouldn't say that if she truly empathized.

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I think especially if you have kids, it is the ultimate selfish act. You will F%Ck them up for life.

Unless you're abusing them, then in which case, yeah better to off yourself.

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I think especially if you have kids, it is the ultimate selfish act. You will F%Ck them up for life.



But that is how a rational person would perceive it. People in the depths of despair are not thinking rationally. Their pain is informing each moment, each decision. They often believe that the lives of their children will be better with them not in it.

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A family member of mine committed suicide and yes, I agree it is a selfish act. However - someone telling their story is not I feel the right time to voice her opinion.
Adela's actions have no real bearing on Juliet so she should have just let Adela tell her story and struggle without feeling the need to interject her opinion with no sensitivity.

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It's hard for me to see someone committing suicide as selfish.

If that person is in the depths of despair, so much so that they can't bear to live any longer, it seems terribly tragic and sad. I understand the terrible hurt their loved ones must feel. But to call a person who has taken their life "selfish" seems cruel.

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Based on the length of time they've known each other and the setting they were in, I don't think it was appropriate of either woman to talk about the subject.

It's obvious Juliet has never had to deal with the thoughts of suicide and deep depression. Although, she may have had a friend or family member who has committed suicide, so she may know the emotions from the people who are "left behind". That's of course speculation. Her handling of the subject was of course horrible, but honestly that deep of a conversation is not one that needs to be had at a fancy dinner. There's so many other personalities at the table that Adela DOESN'T know. She could not expect everyone to hear her story and immediately think SHE was the victim when Adela would have left two children behind. Juliet is incredibly close to her kids, so I believe she just couldn't even fathom the thought of ANYONE leaving their children behind.

Juliet is quick to judge and needs a lesson in time and place (and probably sensitivity training). But from being on the side of witnessing someone go through depression and make an attempt at taking their life, I know exactly what Juliet is thinking about the subject. I agree and also feel it's selfish. But I'm also able to understand that when in that deep of a depression, you don't see it that way.

Maybe Juliet's rude reaction will actually stick with Adela in a way the latter did not see coming. Maybe if Adela slips back into that deep of a depression, the words Juliet spoke to her will be of some reminder that she is not a burden and has people. No body knows. We all have different thoughts on this sensitive subject.

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