When you have a left wing paper like the NY Times reporting that the Tribecca film festival didn't allow farmers who had legally bought tickets to the film into the show, what does that say about the "honesty" of the filmmaker and their crew?
I worked on a farm. If you have the time in the middle of April to watch movies, never mind driving to and waiting in lines at Tribeca, then mister, you ain't no GD'd farmer.
It's been pointed out specifically that these "farmers" were landholders with a stake in "farming out" their land for lucrative deals in non-food producing operations.
There's a difference between being a farmer, a person or business operation that produces food on his land, and a land baron using his land for non-food development.
They have farms on their property. They have a right to do with their land as they see fit. You want to take away their property rights. That about do it?
If activities on your property negatively affect a neighbor, then yes, you should be curbed from that activity. Since Big Oil's prime directive in the "Gasland" frackas is to quell debate by spreading misinformation and dividing the opposition, they'll stoop to any level to get you on their side. By using property rights as a fulcrum, they can spin the debate to make it seem they're as concerned as anyone that basic freedoms are being abused. Let's get this straight: Corporations have been playing that game for decades, look no farther than the New London, CT eminent domain game perpetrated by the state to give developers coveted land rights. Look into crimes perpetrated by developers immediately following Katrina.
I side with Theodore Roosevelt on the issues of land use and strong gov't. I'll go even farther: We've never had a coherent land use policy in this country. There's no provision for the future and how land will be utilized for food security. None. Allowing the free market to run amok has not been the policy for a sustainable future.
So yes, I'm for constructive land management policy that describes exactly where the best farmable land is for food, and how that relates to property rights and corporate control of land for resource exploration.
If that seems extreme to you, then consider this: in some states, golf courses are considered "open space". If that's not a liberal extension to the designation, "open space", I don't know what is.
So you're an out and out socialist that believes the government should own all property and dictate how it's "best used." Gotcha.
No wonder you agree with the false propaganda in Gasland part deux.
P.S. You're the one giving love to Big Oil. They're trying to stop fracking and development of natural gas to keep their monopoly on energy production. It's why this piece of propaganda was funded by Middle Eastern oil sheiks.
"So you're an out and out socialist that believes the government should own all property and dictate how it's "best used." Gotcha."
I predicted you would go this route and you didn't disappoint. You're correct that in the definition of socialism, in which the state owns the company, you insinuate that I believe the state should own the land. That's not what I profess. Here, the state does not own the land but instead has a roadmap to distinguish what land is best for what use. Locally, this is what can be understood as a "Master Plan" for development, in which the town decides where what goes where, be it school, park, whatever. I have thought for years that the US has never had a conceivable land use plan and that lack thereof has turned out private interests, and by default, public interests, to do as they please with land owned or otherwise occupied for whatever endeavor. The problem with this, as we've witnessed, is the hodgepodge of illogical, wasteful use of one of our most precious and limited resources, land. We can forgive our forebears of the errors of their actions, as at the time of the first 200 years of settlement, land was in such amounts that one could barely see the time in which one feared the decimation of such an expanse. Perhaps I suffer from an eastern affliction that our own situation must reflect the fortunes of the rest, and of course that's patently untrue. But as the concurrent histories of either coast bare, we have squandered our land in the name of personal freedom. This notion of personal freedom now clearly stands in the way of the happiness of the multitude.
As we witness a rebirth in agrarian culture and the inevitable nature of water competition, we are caught between the promise of textbook capitalism and the limitations inherent of that economic model. Population pressures exacerbate these connected issues and the inefficiencies of unrestrained, or rather poorly regulated, commerce have made our options paltry. We need leadership in this arena, and frankly with the conservative zeal at present we are missing an opportunity to table fixes to this problem.
The fix, then, is to set aside the best lands for agrarian use and to tackle the festering inefficiencies of unfettered capitalism, net, speculative development, that result in the unused brownscaping we understand as blight. Since there's no material market function to adequately deal with this problem, the result has been for market forces to continually seek new land farther out from the market in which it serves. Despite the trend of throngs of employment age seeking work back in areas of higher density, land is still being developed at a pace that ensures complete domination in little more than a few generations' time. This is not fancy or hysteria, it is fact. We've already seen the fruits of progressive thought establishing better living situations for those in higher density areas in the form of reworking pedestrian and service business footprints. While a step in the right direction, these measures still don't address the inevitable wars by proxy that will erupt between parties over land and water use in the extended reaches of land-rich counties, and in fact may be pressing the problem further by passively allowing the continued settlement of areas already stretched beyond natural capacity that can no longer be extended by man's science and legal middling.
This observation is different from the mission of the Park Service, which was established to set aside lands for, theoretical as it turns out, perpetual conservation. We have seen how water competition has subverted Park plans out west and lack of leadership of any measurable kind in the great desert of the southwest will undoubtedly result in mass misery.
So really, I don't see your countering my argument by calling me a socialist adds to this discussion, as it exists plainly for the purpose of hyperbole, a logical non sequitur. In my world, capitalism is a model of economic activity that in theory raises the lower classes but not an unquestioned writ either. I am here reminded of my suspicions that many persons have a very narrow view of what capitalism is and should not be and confuse the machinations of commerce with bad legal roadmaps. Currently we live in a state by which such roadmaps have created a damaging plutocracy which votes with its wallet rather than with the convictions that promote the common good.
Unfettered capitalism is no substitute for thoughtful leadership.
"PS: You're the one giving love to Big Oil. They're trying to stop fracking and development of natural gas to keep their monopoly on energy production. It's why this piece of propaganda was funded by Middle Eastern oil sheiks."
If you mean that "Gasland" ( 2010 ) had two pro-Chavez production assistants on staff, one an EPA official whose input was probably minimal, you'd be correct, but to jump to the conclusion that Fox was abetting an enemy is hyperbole. By extension one could surmise this as a form of guerrilla film making of a subversive sort more opaque than all of the shenanigans Big Oil has perpetrated over the years unbecoming of a source as unbiased and equal as "Energy in Depth".
If you mean that pieces such as "Gasland" 1+2 serve to counter the auspices of "Truthland" and "Fracknation", then yeah, Fox deserves the opportunity to defend his arguments and stop this steamrolling venture known as hydraulic fracking until it is better understood. I'm not going to take whatever Big Oil says without thoughtful, critical and honest analysis, because they have lied to us before, and no amount of flag waving is going to pollute the point of this debate, which is to prove that fracking is safe or stop it in its tracks, economy be damned.
The hinge is geology, and we have consensus among industry geologists versus the opinions of outside geologists, and this fact is what will expose the truth. How we get there is anyone's guess, but I cringe at the idea that any geologist knows outright what is going on in rock as deep as these wells go. Here's a literal case where going down with rose colored glasses is as good as going down blind. As George W Bush correctly said, out of context, "we have to be right every time," because the issues that cloud the waters of gas production must be understood and not given in to emotion and exhaustion. If the parties are wrong, and unfettered drilling holds sway as it largely has, politics will become very local.
So, we know two things: the geology in support of fracking is contested. That must be resolved by science alone. We know that the industry has deliberately affected laws that favor its position and has committed shortcuts to processes that have undermined safety, to put it diplomatically. If you'd care to see how effective a small gov't is, go live on the coast of Louisiana for a year.
Hiring attack PR firms does not bolster the industry's argument, such actions are spurious and cynical, and grassroots activism such as Fox's can not supplace sound public policy. Once we get the science clear, we must have the appropriate policing of the industry to prevent the sort of deliberate management that resulted in the Gulf Oil explosion and spill and the very compromised clean up that followed. That's not creating "Big Guv't" for the sake of it, that's being smart.
We have too many messes to let this one go. As always, the messes usually start at the sources: industry and lazy-so-fair gov't. The problems of gov't are for another debate.
The route was obvious because what you are demanding is the definition of socialism. Perhaps wherever you are from that's acceptable, but I'd rather not have the USA collapse into that mire.
As for Big Oil, can you not read. Gasland 2 was funded directly by Middle East oil sheikhs. I said that. I didn't mention Venezuela or Gasland part one though that doesn't surprise me either.
Stop being a Luddite and embrace new technology. Fracking is the future.
I'll give you credit: You read my response, so that's good.
You can call my suggestion, not demand, socialism or whatever you wish. But it's not socialism outright. I don't call the Park Service an exercise in socialism either. I don't call for the state to "own" land, only manage it, much the way corporations do, but not for profit. Do you call eminent domain defacto socialism? Are our fire and police dep'ts a socialistic system? There are elements of socialism with none of the trappings of socialism itself. The term socialism has been twisted out of shape so often since 9/11 it's unrecognizable, much less understood. I don't compartmentalize terms to color the conversation because that's phony. I don't understand what you people fear. What I do fear is a corporate takeover of our fundamental rights. So I'd be careful in your choice of horse. You can think as you wish, I'm interested in what works or that has promise. The division of lands for purpose is not socialism, it is socialistic, it's a purposeful system that may preserve our capacity to remain self-sufficient.
As far as the Arab funding claim:
Yes, I read what you typed. What I investigated in your claim that came back positive is that two persons had Chavez sympathies. Their lineage probably is incontestable, their politics, possibly.
I'm not "embracing new technology" because some unknown mass says so or because it's inevitable. Besides, there are inherent risks with "new technology", which doesn't describe fracking, it's been around for decades, rather it is horizontal fracking which is new. Nothing is inevitable unless one is an armchair delegate, which Mr Fox definitely is not, so I applaud anyone who sticks his neck out for a worthy cause.
The cause is discovery. The only honest way to decide this debate is unbiased study, just as the FDA studies a drug before it goes to market. Yes, that's another issue, but for simplicity, I'll leave it at that. So a study will give the industry a chance to verify its claims, and Mr Fox can take the credit for being one of many, but a significant one, to grease that debate. Science must discover once and for all whether or not fracking is safe or can be made safe. I have my sincere doubts given the historical record. Let the science bear witness to the facts rather than have a few oily men thrust their demands down our throats. The American people should not cave to coercion and thuggery.