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Congress report on fracking fluids


This movie is known to attract right wing nuts cheering for their team and impossible to reason with. We have a few on this board with gems like

And I would hardly call it a cocktail. It is 99.5% water and sand. One drop of alcohol in a pitcher of cranberry juice doesn't make it a cosmo.

So I thought I would post this Congress report http://democrats.energycommerce.house.gov/index.php?q=news/committee-d emocrats-release-new-report-detailing-hydraulic-fracturing-products with data provided by the oil companies themselves.
The 14 leading oil and gas service companies used more than 780 million gallons of hydraulic fracturing products, not including water added at the well site. Overall, the companies used more than 2,500 hydraulic fracturing products containing 750 different chemicals and other components.

Between 2005 and 2009, the oil and gas service companies used hydraulic fracturing products containing 29 chemicals that are known or possible human carcinogens, regulated under the Safe Drinking Water Act (SDWA) for their risks to human health, or listed as hazardous air pollutants under the Clean Air Act.

Many of the hydraulic fracturing fluids contain chemical components that are listed as "proprietary" or "trade secret." In these cases, it appears that the companies are injecting fluids containing unknown chemicals about which they may have limited understanding of the potential risks posed to human health and the environment.
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Short story: 3/4 billion gallons of carcinogen products went into the ground along 4 years. The company themselves didn't know exactly what went in, or what effects it could have on human health.

Edit: link fixed, thanks!

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( Correct Link: http://democrats.energycommerce.house.gov/index.php?q=news/committee-d emocrats-release-new-report-detailing-hydraulic-fracturing-products )

Yup seen that and the problem is that the report is over two years old,
so it's in Big Oil's interest to obfuscate, divide and silence.
This delays everything except production, which is the point of their MO.

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Quite welcome, and thanks for posting.

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Even if you're a Right wing blow-tard how can you argue FOR chemicals being pumped into you and your children's drinking water. If you are so blinded by your conservative dogma that you're actually cheering for this to happen then you should have your head examined. Just because oil companies make lots of money doesn't mean you should trust them, they are very powerful and will tread over anyone who stands to get in their way.

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Its because morons like you have no idea what you are talking about. Of course pumping chemicals into drinking water is stupid. Good thing Frac'ing has absolutely nothing to do with that. There has been ZERO evidence of frac'ing chemicals getting into water. Zero. And if you bring up the "flaming faucet" argument or the produced water argument, then that just proves my point that you literally have no clue what you are talking about.

Short story: 3/4 billion gallons of carcinogen products went into the ground along 4 years. The company themselves didn't know exactly what went in, or what effects it could have on human health.


Key fact was left out of the article, that anyone who did even the most basic amount of research would know, nearly 100% (99.99... for several decimal places) of the water used for a frac is recovered. The article does a great job trying to bring across the idea that the companies pump all this water down hole, and just forget about it. I mean think for one second. How would it be possible for the oil to come out, if it didn't push the water back first? It is literally Geology 101.

Ill just add in real quick, there are even more carcinogens and more chemicals (over 800) in a single bar of chocolate. They are using scare tactics by trying to throw big numbers and big chemical names at you.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_chemicals_are_in_chocolate?#slide=2
http://www.spectroscopynow.com/details/ezine/13dc04fc61e/Chocolate-threats-Carcinogenic-PAHs.html

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Well Hrstar24, ya see when a Fracking pipe fails then there is what you call a "hole" in it. Now I realize that this is a big technical term for someone as dumb as you are but when there is a "hole" in something then things like chemicals and other substances can go thru them into, well let's say groundwater!!! And how exactly does flaming faucets prove your argument? Is that a good thing that these people's water will burst into flames. Why are the gas companies denying these peoples claims that their water is undrinkable or that there home is no longer safe to live in? It must be a Democratic conspiracy, wait many of these people are fu(king republicans!!! U r a douche of the highest order so why don't u go ride a horse up into the mountains and stop bothering people.

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You are a moron. All casing is put through rigorous testing before it is put in the well. Also, say by some miracle there is a hole in the 4" production casing, there is a wall of cement around that. Then guess what. There is ANOTHER 7 inch casing around that. Then guess what. There is even more cement surrounding that casing. Then there is even ANOTHER 12 inch diameter casing around all of that!! And even that casing is cemented into the ground!!! This is all protecting the water formation a few hundred feet below surface, and the 99% water solution that is pumped is 2 miles below this water formation. It is absolutely impossible for a fluid to travel upwards to the surface. Think about it. The gas would have already done it millions of years ago if it was possible, and we wouldn't be drilling to get it. In fact, there hasn't been a single case of frac'ing fluid ever being found in a water supply. Ever. Even in this movie, it is methane gas that is causing the water to light. Methane is not a frac'ing fluid. Common sense should tell you that a 99% water solution is definitely not flammable, so frac'ing fluids must not be responsible for this. (If you want to know, the methane is from bacteria in the water formation producing methane, which is released into the water. This phenomena of a "flaming fountain" has been reported since the 1700s)

Also, for some reason Cement Bond Logs don't exist in this movie. Yes, there is a very small chance the cement can fail. But after every single cement job, a Cement Bond Log is ran on the well, which involved very slowly dragging a tool up the well to test for cement failures. If any failure is found, the cement company must go back and fix it. This is standard practice required by federal law that every company must comply with.

As to how this proves my point that you have no clue what you are talking about, all this casing and cement process has NOTHING TO DO WITH FRAC'ING! This is all done months before the frac crew even shows up! Guess what, even if there was catastrophic failure to the well casing, it would have a leak whether you frac it or not! 5 minutes of research would enlighten you to this fact! You would also learn that people have been having "flaming water faucets" in Colorado for decades, many years before people were even drilling in Colorado. How can anyone claim this movie as anything but propaganda by purposefully emitting such an important fact? It isn't just the oil companies telling few people they have clean water (all their neighbors agree their wells are perfectly unneffected), the government and the EPA are also saying it, but it must be some conspiracy right?

The flaming faucet scene has been debunked so many times even staunch anti oil activists refuse to bring it up anymore. Do us all a favor, and educate yourself a little bit before coming back.

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You have got to be kidding me, so these people who had natural gas companies drill on there property just happen to get flammable water from bacteria? Lol. Boy that's one hell of a coincidence. And people's drinking water has been flammable since the 1700s eh? So gas company think tanks found some obscure tale vaguely told in the history of the 1700s and that now makes it a common house hold thing according to dumb as$es like u. Use your brain man that's what it's for.

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Believe it or not, we have the technology to determine where methane comes from depending on the isotopes of the molecules. The EPA and Colorado Oil and Gas Commision both agree that the methane found in those faucets were produced from bacteria, not thermogenic methane found in oil formations.

http://cogcc.state.co.us/Announcements/Hot_Topics/Hydraulic_Fracturing/GASLAND%20DOC.pdf

That is a great article describing the phenomenon in Colorado. But I guess the Colorado government and the EPA is also in on this conspiracy right, Josh Fox is the ONLY one in the world who knows the truth lol

Also, methane in the water has NOTHING TO DO WITH FRAC'ING. The only way thermogenic methane can get from the oil formation to the water table is with shoddy well construction by the drilling company. This has NOTHING TO WITH FRAC'ING. The well is drilled and cemented weeks before the frac company even shows up. If the well wasn't constructed correctly, then methane will leak from the formation to the water table regardless if the well is frac'ed or not. That is why the drilling company puts 3 layers of steel casing, and 3 layers of cement between the wellbore and the water table, and also run very expensive tests like cement bonding logs to ensure there is no failure.

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Well u seem to have an explanation for everything buddy. Lol. I don't believe that for a second but I do appreciate the good banter. People have lost their homes and have contaminated water after fracking, too big of a coincidence to me but I guess big business will screw over whoever they need to to make a buck and provide data or misinformation that backs up their story to avoid public outrage.

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I have answers because I actually know what I am talking about, unlike you who eats up all the propaganda bull s*** out there with out checking your sources and researching the information yourself.

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Is this source accurate, hrstar?
I really don't know but it looks legit, and suggests that the failure rate of the well casing is about 6% and rises over time.
http://frackwire.com/well-casing-failure/
If that's the case then it isn't Fracking per se that's the problem but the risks inherent in the construction of the well itself and the increase in the risk of failure over time.
Is that your conclusion too?

If the opposite of Love is indifference, what's the opposite of Hate?

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That's the most hilarious meme of all...like conservative families are against clean air and water for their families.



Whose idea was it for the word "Lisp" to have an "S" in it?

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I knew it was a propaganda piece and stopped reading as soon as I saw

"http://democrats.energycommerce.house.gov........";



Whose idea was it for the word "Lisp" to have an "S" in it?

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"Short story: 3/4 billion gallons of carcinogen products went into the ground along 4 years. The company themselves didn't know exactly what went in, or what effects it could have on human health. "

99.5% of that is water and sand. Of the remaining half %, 29/750 chemical were carcinogens. So only a few parts per million. Coffee contains several carcinogens, why isn't it banned?

But we don't drink fracking fluid! The lack of logic in Green religion is appalling. Did you even pass grade 6?

Wait, there's more. Some eco-loon claims sand is a carcinogens!

Three More Years! Frack Off Greenies! $17 trillion!

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http://news.yahoo.com/exxonmobil-chief-neighbors-sue-over-fracking-concerns-223310193.html

http://press.endocrine.org/doi/abs/10.1210/en.2013-1697

http://www.peer.org/news/news-releases/2013/07/15/exxon-valdez-recovery-remains-stuck-in-limbo/

There are concerns why this gas frackin' business is not all that. Of course, if they are doing what the are supposed to be doing in the first place, people still might make fuss, but the truth of it is that regulations are not necessarily enforced, lax rules and favors run rampant in this business.

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http://news.yahoo.com/exxonmobil-chief-neighbors-sue-over-fracking-concerns-223310193.html


That article has nothing to do with frac'ing, though it is kinda funny that the ExxonMobile CEO doesn't want a water tower (where only some of the water will be used for frac'ing) next to his house. Without that water tower, those wells will still be frac'ed, they will just truck the water in.

http://press.endocrine.org/doi/abs/10.1210/en.2013-1697


That paper looks like complete bull s***, but I am not going to pay to see all their findings. If they are saying that frac fluid is being spilled on the surface and causing these raises in endocrine levels, then I could agree, I do think we need more regulation for surface spills, a frac site can get a little messy. But if they are saying that the frac'ing fluid is reaching the surface after it is pumped down hole, then these writers need to go back to college since that just defies every law in physics and geology.

http://www.peer.org/news/news-releases/2013/07/15/exxon-valdez-recovery-remains-stuck-in-limbo/


That article has absolutely nothing to do with frac'ing.

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