If this movie is accurate
So far she seems crazy from the beginning
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Sorry, but I disagree, she may have had problems, but this guy drove her crazy. This is my story and I'm stickin' to it...lol.
lol. well, that could be too. I don't know it just seemed like it to me but I could be wrong.
shareNobody can "drive" somebody to be psychotic. By definition, a stable person never lets someone have THAT much control over them, emotionally, physically, etc.
shareNobody can "drive" somebody to be psychotic. By definition, a stable person never lets someone have THAT much control over them, emotionally, physically, etc.
This is so hilariously inaccurate.
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If this movie is accurate
This is what I see, a guy struggling with his religion vs what was considered acceptance with his sexual desires. His friends did not like the person Jodi.
She did not fit in with the "Mormon culture" not the person one would bring home to mom and dad.
Jodi was extremely jealous, manipulative. She probably would qualify as having a mental disorder. But did she know right from wrong? In my opinion, Yes!!
disagreeing lol.... if you've been watching the case from day one and saw the interview her parents gave to Det.Flores. you would know they told him that she was disturbed from very early on. Her mother said her ( JA) friends would call in the middle of the night to tell her that( JA) was "freaking out"
she had wild mood swings up one hour in tears the next and wouldn't tell her parents what the problems were ( yeah teens go through ups and downs and have spats with their parents but I can count on one hand how many people I have ever met that went up and down that way. my aunt has BIpoalr and has acted the same way JA did (( minus the psychotic behavior and murderous rage of course) JA went from guy to guy ( a couple were "abusive") then after breaking up with one guy she dated his roomate -- ( thats twisted)
She neglected her responsiblities that she was supposedly know for keeping ( the mortgage on the house she shared with Darryl after she met Travis)
She starts a sexual relationship very soon after they met. ( a week.. a little too soon from my POV)she becomes very obsessed ( something that everyone that knew her said) and freaks him out. Yes.. he was wrong for wanting to be with her sexually and not considering anything more of value in their situation. ( show me a guy that is not ready willing and able to take what a girl gives him sexually)but all these people that knew them cant be wrong when they said she was 2 scoops of crazy from the day they met her. She already had problems... you cannot blame a person for another's mental defect already in full swing. she couldve stayed away after all they broke up way before the murder;.she moved away. how is it Travis fault that she was still obsessed with him he was seeing other people;. By her own testimony JA says very soon after they started dating, Travis ENCOURAGED her to see other people.He didn't ask to have his tired slashed.. being stalked relenntlessly and he surely didnt deserve his murder;
she couldve kept going on her trip to see Ryan]
not fill up 3 gas cans steal her grandpoarents gun and arrive at Travishouse @ 4 AM. she was a troubled person who could not control herself. she knew right from wrong. she was just very vengeful...she couldnt have Travis no one else would;. he paid with his life due to her selfishness.
Though I agree that Travis did not deserve to be murdered, I will say that Travis knew at SOME point Jodi was not stable. It doesn't matter how terrific the sex is, show some restraint and leave an unstable woman alone! I won't go as far as to say he brought the murder on himself (does that even sound right?) but there are consequences in remaining in physical contact with anyone much less an unstable woman.
People have been posting that Travis was pulled between his religion/beliefs and his desire for Jodi. Trust me, his beliefs mention the consequences and results of engaging in this behavior.
I'm not man bashing but I hate to hear men (or women) degrade a woman, saying they're "crazy" and irrational yet they don't mention what may have instigated the behavior. Yes, women (to include Jodi) have to control themselves, use restraint themselves but in some to most cases, they don't just nut up for NO reason.
Jodi needed to leave Travis alone and when she continued to throw herself at Travis, HE should've have done what takes to stay away, not allow himself to become intimate with her. Sorry, no pass on the "he enjoyed having sex with her but that isn't a crime" statement. Travis may not have thought she would murder him but he knew some his actions would hurt her.
Never do something permanently foolish just because you are temporarily upset!
Knowing how crazy/jealous she was, why did he always leave his cell phone on or where she could see his texts? I think that last one drove her over the edge.
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Integrity is what you do when's nobody's watching.
I am willing to bet if he had refused her offer of sex she would have killed him outright on arriving at his house. She came there to kill him, he just left himself vulnerable by allowing her in and continued to be manipulated, so made it much easier for her to take her rage out on him. She wanted to obliterate him with those stabs.
Pretty sick woman, if it wasn't Travis, it would have been some other man, I honestly believe that. It is her that is 'special', not him.
I haven't seen this movie and don't really care to, but just recently have read up on the case, the pictures tell a thousand words.
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@Nothing is Forever, first and foremost you took most of what I posted and stretched my words to concepts and beliefs I never said. There is is entirely too much to reply to but I'll let you think you "told me off." Whatever
Secondly, I owe you no insight into my personal life but you are dead wrong about how I know nothing about domestic violence. Just because I don't agree with you does not mean I know nothing nor have I ever encountered domestic violence. If you need an award or acknowledgement that you know everything about domestic violence victims and abusers, you can have it.
Finally, your post was incredibly and unnecessarily rude! If my post incited you to respond like this then there will never be a need for us to discuss any topic now or in the future.
Don't get it twisted, I didn't take sides or choose Jodi to be a hero but somehow you read that in between the conjunctions, adjectives, verbs, periods, commas, etc. I presented my opinion in a respectable manner. Just like you have the right to express yourself, so do I. To disagree and debate is one thing but to attack and tear down verbally (excuse me, attempt to) is not necessary and I will not engage in additional discussions with you.
If you feel as if you have accomplished a great feat then you probably slept well the evening you posted your reply. As for me, I shall not think of you or your post again.
Well I think you kind of asked for it, you blamed the victim, that is just wrong on every level. Glad you were not one of the jurors.
shareNo, I did not deserve that post nor did I ask for it. There is a way to disagree or make a point in a civil manner.
Secondly, I did not blame the victim. I wrote, based on another post, that Travis was aware that she was unstable and should have stayed away from her. I commented on him not being totally innocent in the relationship. Very big difference. That does not mean he deserved to die. Also, I mentioned what he was responsible for (knowing that the intimacy would hurt Jodi or any female...blah, blah...blah). That is not the same thing as saying, "well, he slept with her, so he deserved to die." That has been posted by someone else so please don't confuse me with them.
Never do something permanently foolish just because you are temporarily upset!
It's not victim blaming to suggest that Travis made mistakes that eventually led to his demise. No one can deny that. Does a woman walking in a dark ally way deserve to get raped? Absolutely not. But it's just common sense to avoid dangerous situations. One of the first lessons in women's self defense is to avoid putting yourself in danger. That applies to everyone.
In retrospect, Travis should have reported her to the police for her stalker behavior and stopped all contact with her. Of course he didn't think she'd murder him, but he had witnessed her dangerous jealousy. It would have simply been a smart move to stop talking to her. Maybe he'd be alive if he had. That does NOT make him culpable in his own death. It simply means that just as a woman should take precautions against getting raped, so too should men take precautions about staying involved in dangerous relationships. Actually that's good advice for any gender.
Sorry I realize this is old but I only just saw the movie, which brought me here. Please spare me your advocacy for male domestic violence victims, and how tragic it is that Travis the victim did not feel comfortable with going to the police for protection. Not to downplay domestic violence victims of either gender, but the reason Travis did not get a restraining order, change his number, etc. as you suggested is because he still wanted to have sex with Jodi. He sure felt safe enough to let her into his home and spend the day sleeping with her before his murder. Some men thrive on women's drama and get an ego boost out of leading a woman on. Seems obvious that is what was going on in this case.
shareI also believe that Jodi has a mental disorder. She reminds me very much of my sister in terms of mannerisms and the way she speaks, also with the way she acts around other people, trying so hard to fit in that its like she takes on the role of the people she is with.
But the whole premeditated murder theory baffles me because I don't believe if she was planning to kill him she would be so stupid as to toss a camera into the washing machine, leave hair and hand prints all over the crime scene. They detailed the gas cans, which shows she was intelligent enough to think that if she got her gas from one place, they could not trace her to being in Mesa. But yet she was stupid enough to leave a camera that had pictures on the hard drive proving she was there? I'm sorry, but she was a photographer and had experience with cameras and had to have known that forensics could pull up deleted pictures.
If she planned to kill him all along, she would have cleaned up the crime scene to destroy her own dna. she would have taken the camera with her and destroyed it, not toss it into a washing machine.
"I don't do scared." -Yvonne Atkins
Just because she had an interest in photography doesn't make her a photographer. As for her being intelligent that's opened to debate also, she is definitely cunning and a liar. She thought she was clever deleting all the photos of her and Travis, the shower scenes etc, but left the photos of his dog so it wouldn't look like pictures were erased. She was thinking what she was doing, definitely.
She probably believed like a lot of people do that putting the camera through the wash would destroy it, nothing mysterious about that.
I can't understand why a few people seem to think men are the only ones capable of harassment and murder, when it's a woman, she must be crazy! Ugh. She didn't want Travis to be with anyone else, she had relationships before, she wasn't naive and innocent, she was the girlfriend from hell. Yes, he was stupid for falling for it all over again and letting her in, but she came there to kill him, I believe if he refused to sleep with her she would have shot him to death. She was there to kill him unless he changed his tune.
She probably is a sociopath, that doesn't make her insane or not aware of what she was doing. She deserves to sit out her life in jail.
She reminds me of your sister too...
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