Who was the guy at the end at the end - Betrayal (2013) Discussion

[–] ktm444 10 years ago

That was their attempt at setting up season 2 of which they will not get.

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[–] IveGotASecret 10 years ago

Everything was resolved so there's nothing to do a new season on. It was just a cop-out. And why the show thinks anyone would care if Sara gets a happy ending when she's the only character that lost nothing because of the affair is beyond me.

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[–] rycki1138 10 years ago

With the low ratings this show's gotten in its short run the producers must have known this show wasn't coming back or they wouldn't have killed off Karsten.
The end scene wasn't setting up season 2.

Without the character of Karsten or the presence of an actor the caliber of James Cromwell a second season would get worse ratings than season 1.

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[–] IveGotASecret 10 years ago

The Karsten storyline and family is what made the show worth watching. The weakest part of the show was who would Sara end up with.

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[–] jrr6415sun 10 years ago

dude that was NOT them setting up season 2. They already knew there wouldn't be a season 2 before the wrote/filmed the episode. That was them being too scared to offend people so they had the viewers decide themselves who it would be.

I thought it was a stupid ending.

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[–] Kwrwolf 10 years ago

For J/S fans it's Jack and for D/S fans it's Drew for all others it's her new boyfriend

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[–] jomar68 10 years ago

Your answer is the most logical.

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[–] Chevy4279 10 years ago

Kwrwolf - It is evident that Sara was still willing to pick up with Jack - following him, moving in close hoping for a kiss on the street, wanting to know where he lives (hoping for an invite), tears, NO mention of what is happening in her life (i.e. where is she is with Drew)? ALL about Jack - Drew is not even a consideration (note the awkward look in the kitchen regarding the move to Washington).

I will defer to your opinion about her smile in the last scene - has she ever given Drew a smile like that? IMO that look is for Jack?

As I said before Jack and Sara do deserve each other, BUT Drew is being set-up AGAIN to be hurt and humiliated as Sara won't leave Jack alone (even though HIS son tried to kill her). What about Oliver - he wasn't mentioned with any significance? Does she really want to restore the family unit and move on from Jack in order to do so?

All that stated, the writers copped out. As there is nothing empirical or factual about the end WE, the viewers can write any one of THREE endings - Jack, Drew or some new guy? I think it is Jack based on her obsession with him?

Well at least I did get some closure today (in a bad way). New England lost the Easter Final!

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[–] Kwrwolf 10 years ago

Chevy-I didn't get the feeling she wanted to pick things up with Jack again and I didn't see her lean in wanting a kiss, I must have missed that. I thought she was more or less trying to find out if the reason he didn't show up at the hospital was because he was ashamed of what his son did to her and can't seem to face her so now they can never be just friends...I don't know but comparing what I saw with her and Drew in the kitchen how she cocked her head-the soft look on her face, the smile that crept up on her lips, the way they looked at one another but you're right I saw the feelings Sara still carries for Jack. I'm glad the writers didn't have him as the pursuer as he was in the pilot episode. Jack gave her subtle hint "it's over Sara,you and Drew belong together. Forgiveness is the attribute of all strengths

The reason why she didn't have to mention Drew imo was because he knew she was still back home. I mean the look on Jack's face when he came to the hospital spoke volumes to me. I wish there had been an epilogue like 1 year later but I guess Sara at the end was the epilogue. My husband said it was definitely not Jack in his observation of their last scene together. He says Jack gave Sara a casual send off with it's better for both of us "if we steer clear of one another"and that hurt her deeply-hence the tears.

Why he and I think it's Drew-well him being more adamant than me. They are having dinner getting ready for a campaign event. We both can't remember Sara ever looking that good for Jack, it was usually those elf looking boots and jeans or a flowery dress of some kind with motorcycle boots but in the restaurant her outfit-definitely not the Sara we're used to seeing-her hair worn a different way-her make up was done just beautiful enhancing her cheekbones and bringing out her gorgeous eyes. Why would she have to "dress up" that way for Jack-someone she already knows and is comfortable in her own skin? Campaign teams are notorious for doing that to a candidate and his/her family. I agree it was not Jack, for once he did the right thing. His life has changed dramatically now with Vic in jail for probably most of his adult life with the multiple charges he's facing, some they'll probably plea down to misdemeanors my husband says but he'll do 25 to life on Uncle Lou's murder and 10 to 20 for the attempted murder of Sara.

Nice guys finish last and never get a second date because they are too agreeable with their female subject and the girl always seem to want the bad boy purely for physical contact no strings attached. Nice guy is probably Drew's epitaph but great guys finish first and that is who I think Drew Stafford is Also on Twitter last night someone said Drew is just using Sara to win his election but that doesn't seem like Drew's m.o and certainly not the way he talked to her in the kitchen.

NOW if Sara chose neither man then imo that could have been a job proposal for the NY Times that geek boy set up for her. Restaurants on the water are abundant in big metropolitan cities so it could have been N.Y. City, we don't know AND we don't know if Drew actually won his race, I wish they would have touched on that.

Let's talk about her smile at the end. I agree she's never smiled like that at Drew except in last nights ep when he was at the podium introducing introducing his family. She may not have opened her mouth but that smile was as wide as a runway imo. I like what Drew said to her standing in the kitchen "That these past few months have really felt like they found this connection-a deeper understanding of one another. This nightmare, maybe we had to go through all of this to get this close to end up here." And also what Elaine said at Thatcher's funeral-"That forgiveness is the attribute of all strengths and Drew looks over at her family.

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[–] xibalba33 10 years ago

I'm sorry, but I think maybe you're seeing what you want to see. In the kitchen scene, I saw her force a smile which faded into a melancholy sort of panic when Drew walked away. I definitely think she was looking to either go back to Jack or go back to having an affair when she went to see him. Though, I don't really care either way. After that cop-out of a finale, I'm almost glad the show is as good as canceled.

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[–] Kwrwolf 10 years ago

xibalba and Chevy-You're absolutely right we see what we want to see. The plot of the show and especially the last scene was left to our own interpretation but the dialogue between Sara and Drew did support him being the likely one to be the man at the restaurant not Jack imo.

Chevy-*she pulls him back to the dance floor* "Not so fast...hear that? It's Donna Summer's Last Dance."

Jack twice made small talk with her. There was no going back for him now and how could he? He told her plain as day, I finally did the right thing. She brought out the better side of Jack and for that he's grateful to her for believing in him and on that sidewalk with tears streaming-he subtly and politely told Sara what he wanted her to believe about why he didn't come to the hospital. Why didn't Sara kiss him as you say she looked like she was leaning in hoping he would? She's in limbo with Drew, she loves him and wants to be a family but she can't stop thinking of that day on the platform. She never signed the divorce papers, she told Drew she would be with him on his political journey all he had to do is say the word. so "Have you ever seen D.C. when the cherry blossoms are in bloom?" That told me-"Sara I do love you and I do want you so yes that means we move to D.C. if I win."

Drew can come to D.C. then he would be close to me since I did have the tv affair with him lol!

When Jack told her for once in his life he made the right decision that was the closure for Jack and Sara, more for him than her. I don't think or feel she wanted to restart the relationship again. Call me crazy but I just can't see her leaving Oliver for a man she barely knows but thinks she does. Jack made her feel good, made her feel loved and important when she felt she was at a very low point in her life. He never verbally reciprocated I love you.

The pondering at the bridge we saw, first Drew and Oliver than her and Jack on the boat. Again Drew was first to come to mind as he was when she was semi conscience. She chose her family imo.

In closing-Sara has been on an emotional roller coaster with Jack these past months so I would think she would have welled up seeing Jack IF it was him. After all that is the Sara we came to know. It was Drews dream to run for political office and she wanted him to have it. Remember it was her who put his name out there to her friend Greg for a piece on the 25 rising Chicago stars

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[–] lamont-hard 10 years ago

They could not write the scene of her and Drew as she was head over heels with them reuniting because of something I have not yet read. She is ashamed of what happened and is just happy to be back with her family no more no less. Just why does everyone one want her to look as happy as a blushing bride when she has gone through so much is beyond me.

How would she live with Jack with his son being beaten in a prison cell everyday because of something his father did that he could not handle. The relationship would not even last a month. Drew would get full custody if she were to do this also.

Some where or at some point viewers need to see the love affair with Jack as It would really turn out and how will his son ever want her around as well as his family. She is poison to them and it will never go away they will eventually become miserable with all that has happened.

Jack will fade at some point and even if he did not he is behind her. I think the last guy is the geek as she will start her own career.

One last point and it is Drew changed himself as I believe she will mean more to him than she was in the past. And i also believe she will communicate with him better. This is not some thing a couple whom has been married for some time get all gushy about so her degree of enthusiasm seemed normal to me. The boys father is drew and he is the most important thing to both of them for the kids well being than her being both single or with Jack. Her husband future is also her sons future too. Loving drew was not the problem so he is still in her heart so once they unite there is no more Jack. Some act as if she will never move on and as time goes by this is exactly what she will do.

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[–] Kwrwolf 10 years ago

Not me, I've said all along it's not going to be a smooth ride for Sara & Drew. Drew may have said to her that he can forget her affair but learning to trust her again is not going to be easy. Home late one night, what will he ask her? Will he look at her with curiosity prompting her to challenge his doubt about why she arrived late? Should Sara call every time she will be late? Will Drew check her phone or just trust her completely? So many unanswered questions and if they are totally committed, more so On Sara's part to making the marriage work and not just for Oliver as Drew said then I don't foresee any huge obstacles.

I agree that Jack will become a distant memory if Sara is committed to her marriage and not weak in the knees for Jack if she was to ever see him again. Moving to D.C. Would be the best thing for her. Theres that old cliche absence makes the heart grow fonder. Is that true for all lovers and ex lovers? How about this...Out of sight out of mind.

The scene in the hospital where he's waiting for her to wake up and he wells up reflecting on their life and how much he loves his wife made me cry right along with him. Sara never fell out of love with Drew she fell out of happiness and I don't know if she is ashamed of what she did. Sorry? Yes she is. Embarrassed? When she hot caught she was but after that, no. Does Sara feel she made a mistake? I didn't think she did up until the second to last scene when she realized what was most important her and being with Jack wasn't worth the risk of losing everything that meant the most.

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[–] Chevy4279 10 years ago

Kwrwolf - I have to agree with xibalba33's post. The scene in the kitchen was informative. Drew pouring his heart out, willing to forgive (no mention of her culpability whatsoever) AND essentially give her an unconditional pass. Whether it was the "Washington" topic or getting back together she looked uncomfortable/ awkward and said something like: "We'll have to see" combined with a FORCED smile, which disappeared the moment Drew turned away. IF she was keen on reuniting THAT would have been the time (and only then) to thank him for his kindness/ forgiveness, admit SHE was stupid AND indicate that she is OVER Jack and wants to get back together. Of course, none of this happened! Drew, the CUCKOLD, is too mesmerized and willing to put ALL the blame on Jack to realize he has no chance!

Meanwhile she is basically stalking Jack obsessed with why he didn't visit her? Why should she care if she is over Jack and wanting Drew? Simple - she will remember her hospital event solely as "Jack didn't visit" vs the devotion and worry that Drew showed.

When you consider the train platform smile, waiting for him at his new job, the body-language "move in close" on the street, the tears, the high interest about his apt overlooking the water, it indicates that she wants back with him. All he had to do was put his hands on her shoulder and she would have been on her knees in the street for him!

All we saw of Sara in the restaurant was her make-up but I suspect that she looked like a $1000+ call-girl? Either for Jack to show him what he could be having as he seems to be less enthusiastic than she, OR she IS a call-girl - her new job? It's not for geek-boy OR a newspaper job interview (NY Times would conduct an interview at the offices to see her photo work, not her ability to perform other "jobs"). However, I think it was Jack and IF there was an epilogue her feet would be pointed at the ceiling in no time and Drew would go through ANOTHER egregious betrayal and humiliation, all justified in Sara's mind as she hasn't committed to Drew, therefore she has no obligation to tell him - and Jack would just say "why not - she's hot, stupid and horny - the ideal concubine".

I know you think Sara is good, but made just one foolish mistake and deserves unconditional forgiveness and you defend her vehemently, but realistically she wants to be with Jack and that is who met her at the restaurant. A piece of work as Drew thinks they have a chance. As other poster have indicated ZERO consequences for Sara.

I think the producers and writers did this last episode out of spite - low ratings, no 2nd season. Unfortunately and ironically, the cop-out (no real to the show) affects the FEW viewers (~3M/per), not the "missing" viewers, because the latter didn't watch and don't care! The writers didn't close-off Elaine/ Aiden or the Custodial agreement, which I presume is null and void with the divorce not going ahead - Sara can expose Oliver to Jack - one more justification to be with him.

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[–] loganrory 10 years ago

You are correct. The same producer, Nicole Carrasco, produced the show Against the Wall (also in Chicago), which also showed the female picking between Chris Johnson or his rival, which the audience couldn't see. I wish she'd get another idea for her next show or just give poor Chris Johnson the win already.

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[–] jrr6415sun 10 years ago

nicole carrasco should stop making shows then because that is such a horrible cop out ending in any situation.

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[–] morningstarpotts-880-884733 10 years ago

For J/S fans it's Jack and for D/S fans it's Drew for all others it's her new boyfriend

Lol well said.

Season 2. It's her new boyfriend. This one is a serial killer and she is just so in love. She will do everything to keep him. Then he will try to kill her sister so she will have to let him go. Then she will go back to Drew who will said "eh why not try one more time we already did this once. What's one more time?" Then season 3....

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[–] IveGotASecret 10 years ago

I honestly didn't even care who it was because the guy who ended up with her ended up the loser.

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[–] Kwrwolf 10 years ago

Sara didn't cause Thatcher Karsten to kill himself, his greed and thirst for power did him in and she didn't cause Jack to lose his son. Vic unfortunately idolized a criminal and murdered someone way before his father cheated on his mother. His future was imprinted from an early age. Elaine knew what her father was so to blame Sara for all this is ludicrous. My husband said it was probably Nate Green her geeky friend but it was most likely a platonic dinner to celebrate an accomplishment of his or her.

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[–] GaelinW 10 years ago

Whoever it was I hope he has a shrink on speed dial. He'll need it with Sara mood swings.

"I am allowed to think everyone is stupid for 10 minutes."-- Randy Susan Meyers

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[–] IveGotASecret 10 years ago

And he'd better make sure he never makes Sara feel neglected or taken advantage of. Now she's cheated once, it'll be that much easier to cheat again.

I actually hope it's Drew after he stole the words from Elaine's eulogy for her father to use for a campaign speech. Can't bet much lower than that. Those two deserve each other.

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[–] heathernicki0206 10 years ago

I'm glad you noticed that! I was like no he didn't steal that phrase from the eulogy!

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[–] Kwrwolf 10 years ago

It was a great line why not Drew borrow it and tweak it a little. Elaine has no claim to it, she didn't coin it.

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[–] jabell 10 years ago

I've always hated The Lady or the Tiger and similar works that finish without revealing the ending, but I'll go out on a limb and guess that she chose the male who means the most to her--Oliver. Which would mean she'd go back to Drew. If he wins the election, he'll be living in D.C. most of the year. He could probably get custody of Oliver in any family court, and he'd take Oliver to D.C. with him. I believe that she'll go for her son in the end.

My ideal ending would have been to see her at Drew's side at a victory rally and pregnant.

I'm happy Jack turned his life around, though. He was doing some good.

Boo Hoo! Let me wipe away the tears with my PLASTIC hand!--Lindsey McDonald (Angel)

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[–] Kwrwolf 10 years ago

Well since they were working on figuring it out and no divorce was final Drew most likely would not be allowed to take Oliver out of state to live in D.C. Judges in family court are very reluctant to disrupt the child's welfare if either parent is not proven to be unfit. Drew looked a bit relieved when he found out she never filed and agreed with Sara he was not ready to keep doing the 3 day on 4 day off arrangement either.

My ideal ending would have been to see her at Drew's side at a victory rally and pregnant

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You won't find me disagreeing with that ending. I wish they would have done an epilogue of maybe 6 months later or 1 year later she's sitting in the restaurant where we only see her from the shoulders up then as she turns looking for him have the camera slowly pan outwards showing a baby bump when Drew shows up at the restaurant.

I'm happy Jack turned his life around, though. He was doing some good.

I agreed for once with Jack's decision, it was the right one.

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[–] inlovewithmovies 10 years ago

I thought it was Jack, just because of the style of the jacket. Not something that Drew would wear and also the body language....more of Stuart Townsend's the actor playing Jack. I admit I started to really despise Sarah....jeezus, how many times can you betray your husband? I thought the ending was just a cop out. No reason to end so ambiguously. This is not Citizen Kane.

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[–] Kwrwolf 10 years ago

Body language? From who, Sara? She's the only one we saw who spoke. The other person just stood there. I saw it to be a suit jacket not any other type jacket. Both men wore suits and being the type of upscale restaurant it was and how Sara was dressed I doubt Jack would show up in a leather bomber or anything less. I felt the show tanked in the ratings, not what the producers, creator or writers had hoped so to show they were not glorifying infidelity they quickly scrambled at the eleventh hour to rewrite the script to show Sara wanting to stay married but still in limbo with Jack. They knew ABC wasn't going to renew. Cost too much to produce the show and with ratings so low it would become a money pit to continue. It was Drew in the end and that's my opinion and I'm sticking to it haha

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