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What Kirk said to Liz...

posted 8 years ago by KellyKeybored
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Liz: But... there was a fire. I... I shot my father. I remember.
Kirk: What's the memory of a small child? You didn't remember me or your mother or this room. Reddington lied to you, Masha. He told you your father was dead, but thanks to you-- what you did on the water-- I'm very much alive.
All the stories Reddington's told you about who he is and his connection to you-- he knew you were looking for answers and he took advantage of that to re-enter your life. But the answers you've been looking for are here. Reddington, he was in love with your mother and he's obsessed with you.

First of all... how does Kirk know that Liz can't remember her mother? Did I miss something?

And the part about "who" Red is and his connection to Liz. What is Kirk talking about? Does Kirk think Red told Liz what the connection between them was? Because that's always been the big secret.

Liz may have figured out that Red knew her parents and it was "complicated," but Red absolutely never told Liz "who" he is to her. That sounded so much like what the Director said to Red shortly before Red killed him.

"I know who you are to her. Does she?"

If Kirk thought Red told Liz that he was her father, why doesn't he just come right out and say "father"? Why does everyone have to be so cryptic? Just like Naomi and Tom both said : "He's not who you think he is."

What does Kirk mean when he says "Reddington's told you about who he is and his connection to you"?

I'm so disappointed that Liz never got the chance to ask Kirk what he meant.

[–] tvgeek1 8 years ago

because these characters talk to the audience and since we're not supposed to find the truth or receive any final revelation, they all talk cryptic. like Red in Cape May episode...he was all alone and with a stranger, yet he could have talked about who Liz was to him, but nah!

what for me is vad writing and characterization us Kirk not revealing much or talk with Liz about the years in Russia. their supposed life, with Red in or out.

[–] KellyKeybored 8 years ago

It's always so frustrating the way they handle that... like, Oh we'll talk later, there's much to talk about. And then there is no later, ha. Something always interferes, of course.

I wish Liz would have pressed Kirk and asked him questions, instead of standing there staring into space and saying "it can't be true..."

I thought it was ironic that this is the secret that Red has been hiding from Liz,

"All the stories Reddington's told you about who he is and his connection to you..."

What stories?!!!!

[–] micbrehar 8 years ago

I know!!!! It's incredibly frustrating! Everybody is like Kirk is going to bring the truth about the past and Red and I'm like okay start already.. he has pretty much said nothing while looking like he is saying something. The Kirk arc is supposed to be the first 8 episodes we are already two in so now we're down to 6 and the only thing has really said is RED had an affair with your mother and couldn't handle the split, he is obsessed with you, Red lies.

We know already Kirk lies because he made it look like there was no fire and we know multiple people have talked about the fire. We know he lies because Kaplan had Liz when she was little and Kirk makes it look like oh we were a happy family then Red stole you.

[–] HappyGoLucky2011 8 years ago

I get the feeling the writers want us to entertain the possibility that Kirk is telling the truth. It's possible that Red and Mr Kaplan were with Katerina when she gave birth, and she went back to Kirk afterwards. That being said the writers should have done something to address fire. They could have had Kirk say that he rebuilt the house, that the fire happened at another location, or that Red spread the story about the fire to make people think Masha was dead.

[–] micbrehar 8 years ago

Like Kelly already said Red wasn't the only one who has talked about the fire Luther Braxton talked about the fire and were assuming the director knew since he sent Luther for the fulcrum. The bunny is burned so there was a fire. So Kirk trying to dismiss that was showing either he doesn't tell the truth or problem with story. I agree they should of addressed that or they are trying to let us think he is telling the truth. We can't believe he is if we believe the other stuff we have been told about the fire.

[–] micbrehar 8 years ago

I also find a part in the last episode to speak volumes to Kirk's character....after Kirk shot the fisherman Liz said something about him dying and Kirk said something like " well its your fault you got him involved" really sounds like a fabulous father, blame her for you shooting the fisherman..also blame her in why she is not with her daughter, "you would of been with her if you hadn't tryed to escape"..really ???

Liz kicked the crap out of the diner guy in Marvin Gerald and Red probably knew she went off a little too much but Red said to the lady she didn't have a choice. Shows the difference in styles for sure.

If the show wants me to think Kirk is good guy right now, they're doing very bad job of that.

[–] micbrehar 8 years ago

Not Gerald stupid auto correct...Gerard

[–] KellyKeybored 8 years ago

I really believe that Kirk is conning Liz about everything. There are pictures of Katerina and Masha at the Summer Palace, yes. But none of Kirk.

I would rather trust Red when he said "She was never yours to raise," as hinting at the truth.

The Summer Palace could not have been the house from the fire, could it? I assumed Liz's memory of a fire happened at Christmastime. And this was where they spent the summers.

Why do I always get the feeling that Red is talking about himself when he talks about Kirk?

Red:

"I know where Elizabeth is, Harold, where Kirk is taking Agnes. Cape Breton Island, Nova Scotia. Kirk owns a cottage there where he would go to escape the dreary summers in Novosibirsk."

Red adds in that word "dreary" as if he knows just how dreary those summers were.

[–] drspbreukel 8 years ago

"assumed Liz's memory of a fire happened at Christmastime."

Good point! Besides the summer palace is made of wood. That fire would have destroyed it