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I only know about this movie due to the countless posters on railway stations that I saw on a journey I made yesterday and the silly line on it 'An Atheist's Horror Movie'. As an Atheist I am saddened that they fell this is the best by line they can use to promote their movie, however imagine if 'Life of Brian' had been billed as a 'Christian's Horror Movie' with the furore that would come from the Christian church on top of how they did react on it's release. For the record I have no interest in the movie and I don't find that line offensive, just rather silly and pathetic. And no doubt we'll have all the Christians throwing their toys out of the pram if you do go and see the movie and think it's justifiably rubbish (not my view as I don't critise movies I don't see)

Just had a look at the synopsis and reviews (on other sites) Wow, if any other group of people, either religious or racial were portrayed in such a hateful and narrow manner as it sounds like Atheists are then this movie would never have seen the light of day as it is truly hate filled by painting Atheists in such a manner. So much for having so called 'Christian Tolerance', from where I'm stood they always appear to be among the least tolerant groups in society.

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>So much for having so called 'Christian Tolerance', from where I'm stood they always appear to be among the least tolerant groups in society.

I'm sorry to hear that. I do hear a lot of complaints about Christian intolerance, but I don't see many examples. It is basic Christian doctrine that God gave man the gift of free will. I believe that most Christians would agree that to try to deny or take away one of God's gifts would be wrong. That doesn't mean there aren't examples of it historically, but I don't see many examples of it in the modern world.

Certainly nothing like you see coming out of the Islamic world. It is hard to believe that a young woman is in prison and facing a horrible number of lashes then hanging because of her marriage and her faith. The courts declared her marriage to a Christian invalid and thus convicted her of adultery. (the punishment are the lashes) Her father abandoned her shortly after birth and her Christian mother raised her as a Christian. Since her father was Muslim, she is considered to have been born Muslim and the punishment for an apostate is death. So, if she survives the lashes they'll hang her. At least the delayed her sentence until the birth of her child. This is intolerance to the max.

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I'm sorry to hear that. I do hear a lot of complaints about Christian intolerance, but I don't see many examples.


Westboro Baptist Church
Ku Klux Klan
Family Research Council
Family Research Institute
American Family Association
Abiding Truth Ministries
American Vision
Faithful Word Baptist Church
Sons of Thundr (Faith Baptist Church)
You Can Run But You Cannot Hide International
Christian Action Network
Chick Publications
Bill Keller Ministries
Dove World Outreach Center

That's just a small sampling of specific groups in the United States. If you don't see many example of Christian intolerance, you're either not paying attention, lying, or one of the intolerant.

Since you said this elsewhere (re: atheism...

If you believe that there is not afterlife, and that means that there is no ultimate justice. It's such a sad philosophy.


It looks like it's number 3.

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First let me apologize for taking so long to answer, it's not lack of interest, but priorities. I'm a huge soccer fan. Both my kids played in college, my son for Texas' intramural team that beat Michigan for a national title, and my daughter of UNT (full books, tuition and fees which just about matched what we spent on club soccer for both of them over the years) where they advanced to the NCAA tourney, and in a different year beat my Alma mater Texas... I was surprised at how easy it was to cheer for UNT vs UT. Anyway, I've been watching ALL of the games of the World Cup (thanks Directv.) and it's taking much of my time. (Aside, I love the idea that Spain, Italy and England, have been eliminated, and the USA has almost certainly earned a spot. In a perfect world Germany would be eliminated by a USA defeat and advance with Ghana thus eliminating Portugal as well. That would mean that three of FIFA's top four teams would be going home. Oh, and while I'm happy to see Italy go, I'm disgusted by what Suarez did and I think he should be banned for life from the sport! Now that's a case of my intolerance. Three different cases of biting and using racist language should disqualify him. I like was Lawless said about the shame he brought to his own family.

Back on topic:

I had an internal debate about answering this post. It's hard to take seriously any list of "Christian" organization headed by Westboro Baptist Church & the
Ku Klux Klan. The WBC has less ths 40 members, is not affiliated with any Christian organization (they are NOT part of the Baptist Assembly for example). As for KKK, please!

Looking at others on the list I'm not sure what you are calling "intolerant!" I'm not a member of any of them, but most appear to be pro-life & pro-family groups. I know it's popular to label someone who disagrees with a position "intolerant," it's a nice straw man, but you'll need to provide evidence of their "intolerance," to make your case. I did email several and heard that they are open to gays joining their church or group for example.

Still, even if you're right, and I must admit that in any group as large as the the Christian church universal, you will find someone who is truly intolerant. I think I did "many" not "any." However, if you compare the total membership of all these groups they are dwarfed by just the membership of the Catholic Church which does take positions on issues but is not "intolerant" of individuals. They are constantly reaching out to others, including gays for example. In fact I don't know of any Christian creed or group is not inclusive. If for example you believe that Catholics are "intolerant" of "LBGT's" we'll just have agree to disagree as I believe they've made it clear that their position is to condemn the sin but love the sinner.

That is also the position of all the churches I know of, and is my definition of inclusive. If a church becomes a warehouse for saints rather than a hospital for sinners they've lost the mission laid down by Christ in Mat 25. Personally, I don't have any problem with Gays having any position in the church. I am guilty of breaking several of the big 10 (my brother-in-law recently bought a very expensive RV that I am certain would look better in my driveway than his which makes me guilty of envy) and homosexual activity isn't one of those.

Finally, I'm not clear on what Number 3 that you say I am means. I'm sure that's my fault because I let this sit for so long. I do hope you'll let me know if it's important

On the other hand I do see a lack of tolerance in much of the LBGT community. The idea of suing a baker because of his faith just seems so wrong on so many levels.

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I was raised in the Bible Belt. I was taken to several KKK rallies, as a child. The people that were there, were the same people that sat on a church pew on Sunday, so I have to disagree with your "please", RebBacchus. The KKK is full of Christians!

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As someone famous once said, "sitting in church no more makes you a Christian than sitting in your garage makes you a car." The KKK is about hate, and I find no place in the New Testament tells us to hate anyone. Quite the contrary, it tells us to even love our enemies.

I believe that the passage on judging lest you be judged, is widely misunderstood. In Christ's time there was an assumption that to be judged was to be condemned to death. Thus the passage is saying we are always to allow for repentance and forgiveness. It doesn't mean that if we ignore other's sins God will ignore ours. It is about tolerance, leaving the door open.

We are to judge other Christians by their "fruit." Looking at the "fruits" of the KKK it is very easy to say that they are NOT Christians. I know that taking little kids to Klan functions was common but it hurts my heart to see or hear about it. I don't understand the difference in the northern Klan and the southern version but I think the peak membership was in the north in the 20s. But, I think both were hate groups.

Finally, Paul constantly talked about false Christians and even Jesus said that all who called him "Lord, Lord" don't belong to him. I will stand with you in condemning those who try to hide their hate behind a "Christian" label.

I also stand by my statement that basic Christian doctrine is to allow for free will, to label certain action as "sins," but to welcome any who want to become Christians.

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The members of the KKK who went to church hated the members of the local black church for social and political reasons. The Christian Germans and the Christian Frenchmen who slaughtered each other at Verdun did so because they forgot that the other person was a Christian, and each thought of the other as no more than an enemy.

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All the members of the WBC and, very likely, of the KKK, SAY they're Christians. I'm betting we share similar opinions about the members of both groups as people, but claiming that they're not actually Christians is a No True Scotsman fallacy.

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Let us stay on the topic, intolerance of religion on college campuses. It is the actual policy of Vanderbilt U. That a Christian group cannot exclude non-Christians from leadership roles. Given that, at least by Protestant standards, a Christian group is, for all intents and purposes, a church congregation, this means that the leaders chosen by this church are ministers to the whole, but Vanderbilt says that they choose their ministers. Fact is that a much larger percent of professors today are non-religious than sixty years ago when I was in school. A lot of this is because non-religious professors will not support the hiring of a person who is a believer. Today the big cause on campus is gender “diversity,” which means that no one who says that homosexuality is morally wrong will get hired. No one dare say that it is an unhealthy practice, even though, as the discoverer of the virus said the other day, five gay men die of AIDS each day in London. This despite the huge effort to control the disease. Note he made the point of saying GAY men. A man like him probably could not say this to many campus audiences, for they have been taught by their professors, that health, even sex is a purely subjective manner. Which to me is like saying that AIDS is subjective and mental depression is subjective.

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Schuhj, I am a professor, and I have served on many hiring committees. Not ONCE did we discuss whether or not a job candidate was a "believer" (I am assuming you are referring only to evangelical Christians as no other religions seem to register). Nor did we quiz a job candidate regarding his/her views regarding homosexuality. Honestly this is just so tedious and sad.

"Hearts and kidneys are tinker toys! I am talking about the central nervous system!"

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Agreed. Christians whine that they're oppressed. Please. States (Louisiana pops immediately to mind) keep pushing pro-Christian laws onto the population as though we were a theocracy. If another state tried to put forth the Qur'an as the state book, they would be screaming from border to border.

Have no desire to watch this ha-ha documentary. Not even when free on cable. I would sit through a Barney marathon before that.

I refuse to be outwitted by a 2-dimensional character in a cheap romantic thriller!

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Christianity and all other religions are just flat-out silly. It's a device to give the weak solace in the belief that this isn't all there is. Additionally, the most intolerant, racist, narrow-minded and hateful people I know are almost always self-professed "christians".

No thanks.

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See my latest post on cars and Christians. However, my experience is that the most closed minded folks are atheists. They are also the most easily "offended." One might be justified in comparing atheist to vampires in their aversion to seeing any religious symbols.?

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So you quickly toss aside any association with intollerant Christian groups, but lump all atheists together even though we have very few if any official ties or common beliefs beyond what we don't believe. There are millions of atheists but very few have actually taken legal action against Christians. Also, don't confuse the desire to separate church and state with being offended by religious symbols. You'll notice many of your people will actually make reference to these Christian references in government as evidence for the US being a Christian nation even though the founding fathers did not start most of these "traditions"/references. I'm glad that you can admit that many Christians see themselves as victims but I still find you somewhat biased if you view atheists or homosexuals as more intolerant. Most actions we take are to put everyone on an even playing field. We are not giving ourselves a leg up over Christians, we are giving ourselves and others a seat at the table along side you. It takes a big ego or some kind of Christian privilege to interpret others being equal as being oppressed. Christians seem to despise pluralism. You have a comfort zone when it comes to diversity in any form. It's why there is a correlation between religiosity and conservatism.

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While there is actual oppression of Christians in this country, the wedding cake baker and photographer come to mind, I agree that most Christians are constantly searching for ways to claim they've been "oppressed." I think it's because the Bible says that those who suffer oppression will receive some sort of award in the afterlife.

But most of those folks have no idea what true oppression looks like. I praise God that that poor woman and her children escaped from that Islamic country which had condemned her to death for being a Christian.

Then there are the Christians in the ISIS. Under Islamic law "people of the book" (christians and Jews) are protected as long as they pay the jizya (or jiza or jizyah) a special tax which I think ranged from 20% to 80% of annual income. At the lower end it's a bargain because it exempts you from most other taxes, from serving in the army, and most importantly entitles you to protection of the state. Still, it was intended to humiliate you and put you put you at a disadvantage via your muslin neighbor.

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I watched this movie and thought it was wonderful and not at all over the top. Most of it was Bible based. Christians are often thought of as intolerant because the folks who call them that, want to have "fun". There are some Christians who are "idiots" and take Biblical passages out of context and go to extremes. Abortion is wrong, it's murder plain and simple, but killing abortion doctors or bombing clinics is not "Christian" either. Marriage between a man and a woman was sanctified at creation, so that's what it should be. Real Christians are not intolerant of homosexuals, because you should love the sinner but hate the sin. Folks, Satan in alive and well and running the world, so don't blame all the bad things on Christians. Satan was right in the midst of the KKK. At the end of the world, when Jesus returns, we will all have a choice to accept Him or not. No one will be on the fence, no matter what church you belong to. The choice is clear, live or die. And no, we don't go anywhere when we die, but will at the end of the world. So if I'm wrong, I'll apologize, but if I'm right, can you gamble with your life?

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No atheists in fox holes lmao

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