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This was a Christian movie


I am an atheist. I used to be Christian. I "learned" better:).
If you know anything about the bible and the "good" parts. You know the cherry picked scripture. Well, if you know them then you would find this movie very predictable.
I won't go into all the issues I saw in this movie, but I was not happy with the way they portrayed the atheists. I feel like it was ignorant stereotyping of a growing group of people. And yes... We have morals and choose to do good without fearing a God. Which I think is better than behaving because you are scared.

...And you can't hate a "God" and be an atheist. If that was the movies point... Then I guess that was made. But all the cliche statements scattered throughout the movie... Have been told for as long as I can remember.

What the professor said was true for the most part... Most atheist were Christians and we know the bible better than most Christians do. Reading it. All of it. Not just the New Testament... Opened our eyes to a new journey. I encourage everyone to know all they can know... In the end... If you still want to believe in a God... Then good for you. You need it. But if it opens your eyes and lifts that weigh and burdens of shame and guilt... Then awesome.

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It's not an incorrect stereotype though. Atheists are blind to the truth and at heart are selfish (they do put up a good act of course) and aggressive in defending themselves (their god) as is shown in the movie. I would agree that the movies portrays it a bit too much on the surface (it's a movie so not easy due to limited time), BUT, I have seen the aggressiveness, selfishness and rudeness of atheists when confronted with the truth, they hate it and will defend it greatly.
Christians don't have morals because they are scared of God, that is a strawman. Christians have morals because of they same reason Atheists do, because God says so, Christians only admit it because they are not arrogant enough to think that they thought it up themselves. You can't explain why it is wrong to murder someone, you just know it is wrong. You were created with imprinted morals in your heart. Of course through sins (rebelling against God) our conscience became seared and you have lost some of those moral values, that is why the world is starting to accept all kinds of things which actually is totally immoral, like abortion (killing), homosexuality, extra-marital sex, and soon pedophilia, bestiality etc. So who says those things are wrong? God does (whether you admit it or not doesn't change the fact).
Because of our sins, we need Scripture, God's Word, to guide us about right or wrong. Once you realize that you are not as "moral" as you think, that is when you will start realizing your need for a Savior. Besides, you can do whatever you think is good and right for your whole life, it will only condemn you before God one day, it won't help you one bit, all that will help you is faith in Christ! Will you accept Him as your Savior or will you continue to hate Him?

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Jacques - it's funny you call Atheists "selfish"

Also very topical, as David Taylor is in the news for tax fraud -

http://www.atoast2wealth.com/2015/12/18/apostle-david-taylor-caught-misusing-donations-tax-fraud-and-vehicle-upgrades/

You might want to watch the deposition, where he talks about spending thousands on turning a Mercedes into a limo, and spending church money on BMWs and other vehicles. Also $30k on clothes alone because he "sweats through his old ones" and all the trips to expensive clothing stores.

Also look at his "resort" (his home) and hear how his daughter was taken away..

But go ahead and ignore this, because it doesn't fit what you want to believe.

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It's not an incorrect stereotype though.


Yes, it is.

Atheists are blind to the truth...


What "truth"? The existence of a god or gods? If there is no evidence for either, then how can it be true? Everyone, in a way, is an atheist. You're an atheist unless you believe every single god known is true -- if so: I retract, however I highly doubt it and that is where there is no " truth", in such a view.

and at heart are selfish


While I am sure there are selfish atheists, that doesn't prove your god.

...and aggressive in defending themselves (their god) as is shown in the movie.


Then they are not atheists. If they see themselves as a god then they are not atheists. Kind of ate that one, didn't you?

I would agree that the movies portrays it a bit too much on the surface (it's a movie so not easy due to limited time), BUT, I have seen the aggressiveness, selfishness and rudeness of atheists when confronted with the truth, they hate it and will defend it greatly.


So...you do not act aggressive, or rude when in concern to your beliefs? Are you not acting like both those things right now? You are, by the by.

Christians don't have morals because they are scared of God, that is a strawman. Christians have morals because of they same reason Atheists do, because God says so, Christians only admit it because they are not arrogant enough to think that they thought it up themselves.


So, without your god morals would be nonexistent? That's stupid. Humans are social creatures, and being social we tend to treat each other in the way in which we wish to be treated: no deity needed.

You can't explain why it is wrong to murder someone, you just know it is wrong. You were created with imprinted morals in your heart. Of course through sins (rebelling against God) our conscience became seared and you have lost some of those moral values, that is why the world is starting to accept all kinds of things which actually is totally immoral, like abortion (killing)


Biblegod has aborted and/or killed more pregnant women than anyone, according to the Bible. Also advocating Hebrews in the Old Testament to kill all their enemies, no matter who they were. Read Numbers, mentions it several times.

homosexuality, extra-marital sex, and soon pedophilia, bestiality etc. So who says those things are wrong? God does (whether you admit it or not doesn't change the fact).


The flood was supposed to take care of all that, right? Oh, Biblegod failed, I guess.

Nonetheless, according to the Bible none of those sins are more or less than any other. So, everyone can commit all those sins and still be welcomed into Heaven. Only one sin can keep you out.

Because of our sins, we need Scripture, God's Word, to guide us about right or wrong.


If it's imprinted in us, as you stated, then it doesn't seem "we" do. Oooh...you wanna backtrack?

Once you realize that you are not as "moral" as you think, that is when you will start realizing your need for a Savior.


Um, no.

Besides, you can do whatever you think is good and right for your whole life, it will only condemn you before God one day, it won't help you one bit, all that will help you is faith in Christ! Will you accept Him as your Savior or will you continue to hate Him?


There's only one sin that can condemn a person, according to the Bible, and Biblegod isn't it. Which is ironic since apparently to those who place support in the Trinity...it's a part of it but also separate.

A conundrum, I guess.

-Nam

I am on the road less traveled...

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What "truth"? The existence of a god or gods? If there is no evidence for either, then how can it be true? Everyone, in a way, is an atheist. You're an atheist unless you believe every single god known is true -- if so: I retract, however I highly doubt it and that is where there is no " truth", in such a view.

You just proved my point, you are blind to the Truth.

While I am sure there are selfish atheists, that doesn't prove your god.

It's not supposed to prove God.

Then they are not atheists. If they see themselves as a god then they are not atheists. Kind of ate that one, didn't you?

I believe you are the one who "ate it". Strictly speaking there is nothing like an atheist, everyone has a god, something which they accept as self-existent, without cause, independently real. Most are materialists, they believe that matter/energy has just always been there and from that everything evolved into it's current form. The still view themselves as god though since they are part of that self-existent matter/energy.

So...you do not act aggressive, or rude when in concern to your beliefs? Are you not acting like both those things right now? You are, by the by.

Of course I am aggressive in defending my beliefs and I go to a lot of trouble in doing so. However, I am not selfish because I am not defending myself but God's glory. You, on the other hand, are just as aggressive in defending your beliefs, but it's selfish since, ultimately it is only a defense of yourself. The joke's on you though since you are the one pretending not to have beliefs.

So, without your god morals would be nonexistent? That's stupid. Humans are social creatures, and being social we tend to treat each other in the way in which we wish to be treated: no deity needed.

Of course it would be non-existent. All that would exist is survival of the fittest. Treating each other the way we wish to be treated, well if that is your ultimate moral value, you are more selfish than you think. You see again it is all about the way YOU wish to be treated, that is great!
Oh, btw, that comes from Scripture, "so whatever you wish that others would do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets." But it is far from what you are making it. It is a summary of the second table of the law of GOD, quoted by Jesus Christ, who is God.

Biblegod has aborted and/or killed more pregnant women than anyone, according to the Bible. Also advocating Hebrews in the Old Testament to kill all their enemies, no matter who they were. Read Numbers, mentions it several times.

OK so your are trying to kill God. So whatever you wish that others would do to you, do also to them. No, God is God, He is allowed to do whatever He wants to and whatever He wants to is not wrong. And you have no basis to say that it is.

The flood was supposed to take care of all that, right? Oh, Biblegod failed, I guess.

LOL, your understanding of redemptive history is non-existent mate. Gen 3:15 clearly, very clearly indicates that there is more to come and the saints of old knew and believed it.

Nonetheless, according to the Bible none of those sins are more or less than any other. So, everyone can commit all those sins and still be welcomed into Heaven. Only one sin can keep you out.

Three things: first, what sin is it that can keep you out of heaven? It is unbelief. Like knowing that these things are written, but choosing to ignore it.

Second, no you cannot commit all those sins and still go to heaven. You have no understanding of what it means to be resurrected in Christ, to be regenerated and walking a path of sanctification.

Third, you still do not know why you believe that it is wrong to kill, you just believe it is.

If it's imprinted in us, as you stated, then it doesn't seem "we" do. Oooh...you wanna backtrack?

Certainly don't want to backtrack. You are failing to answer the question, why is it wrong to kill? We can go around in circles and you can get someone who says that it is not, just like you are getting people who says that homosexuality is not wrong. So how can we know that we are right/wrong? Scripture. Our fallen natures have become so deprived that our consciences are numbed. God gave us His special revelation as an objective truth. I know you do not believe that but your unbelief doesn't change that fact.
Um, no.

Again your blindness for the truth is exposed. You are not as moral as you think. Your measure of morality has been yourself, your own selfish desires (what you wish others to do to you), it's subjective.

There's only one sin that can condemn a person, according to the Bible, and Biblegod isn't it. Which is ironic since apparently to those who place support in the Trinity...it's a part of it but also separate.

A conundrum, I guess.

You have shown that you do not know Scripture at all. All your sins will condemn you. God will not leave any of them unpunished. The only sins that will be forgiven are those which Christ bore on the cross. He was punished for those sins so that believers wouldn't have to be punished for it.

Believe in Christ, accept Him as your Lord and Savior and you will be saved. But remember accepting that means that you are resurrected in Him for good works (and no you don't define good works, God defines good works).

No conundrum, but yes you are guessing, even though you don't have to, the truth is available.

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Greetings jacques25,

I could say a lot in reply to your posts but due to time constraints at the moment, I will only address one of your comments:


So...you do not act aggressive, or rude when in concern to your beliefs? Are you not acting like both those things right now? You are, by the by.



Of course I am aggressive in defending my beliefs and I go to a lot of trouble in doing so. However, I am not selfish because I am not defending myself but God's glory. You, on the other hand, are just as aggressive in defending your beliefs, but it's selfish since, ultimately it is only a defense of yourself. The joke's on you though since you are the one pretending not to have beliefs.


God doesn't need you to defend him as Truth needs no defense, it merely needs to be brought forth. After that, it is up to those who hear it to decide what they want to do with it. God gave each and every person the freedom to choose whether or not to believe.


~Gig~

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