What do Germans think about "Fury"?

It took 4 to 5 M4 Shermans to destroy one German panther, tiger I or tiger II

Nah...plenty of cases of a good Sherman jockey outsmarting & taking out a Tiger or a Panther...Michael Wittmann comes to mind when he got 'toasted' by a Sherman Firefly--and many fresh faced Panzermen in middle/late 1944 were nowhere near as experienced as Wittmann or Barkmann.




Why can't you wretched prey creatures understand that the Universe doesn't owe you anything!?

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M4 losses were high

Most American tanks that were lost in Europe were destroyed by mines, infantry AT weapons, and AT guns that had been designed to kill Soviet heavy tanks like the KV. Replacing Shermans one for one with M26s, assuming they were ready a year earlier, would have had little effect. In fact, as they would only have been able to deploy half as many M26 as and given the mechanical unreliability of the M26, there would ha. This is because the campaign to liberate France would have taken much longer and infantry would have often lacked the armour support they had in real life.

With the exception of the postwar light M46 Walker bulldog tank, the American Army standardized on heavy tanks. That is something the U.S. should have done in 1943, not 1945 when the war was just a little under three months from the end.

Not quite. The trend since 1939 was for medium tanks to get bigger and carry a bigger gun. In 1939, British medium tanks like the Cruiser Mark II weighed in at under fifteen tons. By 1945, the newest British medium, the Centurion, weighed in at over forty tons. Nor did the heavy tank go away. The Soviets, British, and Americans developed and deployed heavy tanks during the fifties - the T-10, the Conqueror, and the M103. They only went away when 115 and 105 mm guns suitable for mounting in medium tanks were developed.

Improvements in infrastructure also made it easier to deploy tanks heavier than the Sherman.

That is something the U.S. should have done in 1943, not 1945 when the war was just a little under three months from the end.

They had a heavy tank ready in 1942. They decided not to produce them as they realized that given the limitations of port and cargo ship cargo handing equipment, and landing craft, they would only be able to deploy half as many of them overseas as Shermans. Given that until mid summer 1944 and in one theatre the Sherman had proven more than good enough, it's understandable that they would not have a heavier tank until late 1944. One should also note that there was no way that the M26 would have been ready in 1943. Indeed, it was barely combat-worthy by 1945.

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If there are any German people reading this, what do you think about FURY? I'm certain you knew German WWII tanks generally outclassed American ones except for the M26 Pershing.

Qualitative German superiority over American tanks actually lasted only a period of less than nine months, from June 1944 to late February 1945. The Sherman was superior to the Panzer Mark IV. The Tiger I was first encountered by US tanks in 1943, but in very small numbers in North Africa and Italy. It wasn't until after D-Day that it and the Panther were encountered in large enough numbers that SHAEF began to recognize the threat, and it wasn't until the Battle of the Bulge that the Army decided they had to get as many M26s as possible to the front line yesterday, and those didn't become operational until February. It was only a period of less than nine months, but it was arguably the most critical nine months of the ground war in Europe.

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German people are rude, have no sense of humor,

This doesn't describe the Germans I've met. It's just an old and discredited stereotype.

and are always proud of their German heritage when they ought to be embarrassed by it.

IN fact, while justifiably proud of German accomplishments in art, science, and philosophy, Germans are quite conscious and ashamed of the crimes committed by Germany during the Nazi era.

They loved Hitler

So they did - in the 1930s. For some reason, that high regard seemed to have worn off over the next few years. Eighty years later, the overwhelming majority of Germans have the same negative opinion of Hitler and his party as most other Europeans.

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The German's take pride in their heritage, and rightly so. They are among the most industrious, ambitious and intelligent people on the planet. They've rebuilt their nation from ashes to one of the elite economies on the planet.

Nazism was thrust upon them in a bizarre set of circumstances. The greed of the Allies in the Treaty of Versailles also played a role in the rise of Hitler.

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Its not even about the view of a German, while I am German Ive come to realize in the past 10 years how deep the saying "history is written by the victors" actually goes.
Id first like to talk about how the movie portrays German Soldiers in general and later on Ill go on about tank fights.


Im not gonna debate what is true and what not because a lot of what people believe is literally drilled into their heads by the media(oh, hi Fury!) and school.

Fact that remains however is that the media since so many years has painted every Country as evil that did not have a Private Central Bank, Hitler Germany didnt, Lybia didnt, Iran doesnt, Syria doesnt and since Putin came to rise Russia doesnt anymore. Its hilarious how the list of so called evil countries fits the list of countries without Private Central Banks.

To further elaborate this point Ill put up some Quotes from Winston Churchill

"Should Germany Merchandise again in the next 50 years we have led this war(WW1) in vain" - Winston Churchill, Times, 1919

"We will force this war upon Hitler if he wants it or not." - Winston Churchill, Radio Broadcast, 1936

"Germany becomes too powerful. We have to crush it." - Winston Churchill, November 1936 to US General Robert E. Wood

"This war is an English war and its goal is the destruction of Germany" - Winston Churchill, Autumn 1939 broadcast

"We could have if we had intended so, prevented this war from breaking out without doing one shot. But we didnt want to." - Winston Churchill to Truman, USA March 1946

"Germanys unforgivable crime before ww2 was its attempt to loosen its economy out of the world trade system and to build up an independant exchange system from which the world-finance couldnt profit anymore" -Winston Churchill, Book The Second World War.

General Patton has also spoken out against the war after World War 2 was over, saying Germany was the victim and that Germans were the only civilized people in Europe.
Obviously he had an "accident" soon after, how strange.
Its one of the many reasons why I hated the movie so much because German soldiers were portrayed as barbaric, hanging "traitors" and the like outside of town as a warning to townsfolk. The Quotes above make me more than confident that it was actually the other way around. And why the more I watched the movie the more it felt like a Propaganda piece.
But as I said, history is written by the Victor.


Regardless, if we look at Tank strength, then the Tanks themselves dont matter so much, its also one of the reasons why I disliked the movie so much is that when World War 2 was over, a lot of surviving German Tank Division Captains were interviewed. A lot of them showed respect towards General Patton on his Leadership skills as Tank Division Leader himself, however they also said while they did respect him, it wasnt because he was so good, he was only at a medium-ish level in comparison to German Tank Leaders, but simply because Allied Tank Division Leaders were horrible in general.

The German's take pride in their heritage, and rightly so. They are among the most industrious, ambitious and intelligent people on the planet. They've rebuilt their nation from ashes to one of the elite economies on the planet.

Nazism was thrust upon them in a bizarre set of circumstances. The greed of the Allies in the Treaty of Versailles also played a role in the rise of Hitler.

Please check the quotes I wrote above, it really gives new meaning to who was right and who was not. "Nazism" has rebuilt a country within 3 years were people were starving to death just before that.
Nationalism has been abolished ever since. And that is wrong, non nationalism is whats killing Europe. If you look at Switzerland who are quite nationalistic, then you'll probably agree, being the wealthiest country in europe with the highest living standard and the lowest unemployment rate.
Israel too btw. Nationalistic af.

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What I thought about this movie? Words cannot describe the level of disdain I feel for this piece of crap. It was an absolute insult to intelligence and common sense, full of hatred on a scale never seen on a movie before.
brad Pitt can refrain from touching German soil from now on. He should be banned for lifetime. And if you think I am the only one saying this, wathc the ratings in Amazon.de

https://www.amazon.de/Herz-aus-Stahl-dt-OV/dp/B00WY21CGS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1468707812&sr=8-1&keywords=herz+aus+stahl#customerReviews

The only ones providing 5 stars are idiotic retards.

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I'm sure they recognize it for what it is--a terrible movie.

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