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Fury makes americans believe they were fighting like the Russians.


Hello, I am a student of history and while watching this movie I kept thinking how laughably inaccurate it was, not just over nit-picking details, but just the entire movie in its own.

Americans often like to protray themselves as being in an equal fight with the germans, this only came close once or twice since D-day, that being the Ardenne offensive, which was halted because lack of resources, and the other was market garden which was doomed to fail at the slightest sudden determent opposition.

The fact is that the allies were superior in pretty much every arselan, equiptment and logistical way. American tanks were inferior to german designs in terms of battle preformance yes, but superior in many other ways, especially in terms of production and versatility. Allied tanks rarely engaged known german tanks as seen in this movie. They were quickly identified and taken out by the superior allied air force. Most german tanks could not even make it into formation before allied aircrafts would spot them and destroy them.
Whenever a tank column would move out, they would constnatly be under air cover, and rarely have to worry about the pretty much non existent luftwaffe.

Also, the american soliders are shown committing several war crimes such as killing POW and abusing civilians, a lot of this takes place in full view of everyone else.
This RARELY happened unless it might have been in the midst of an ongoing battle. If an american soldier did execute a german POW in the way Brad Pitts character did, he would have met severe prosecution (he had plenty of witnesses). These kind of things rarely happened, especially not during the end of the war where the allied commanders were very strict about the ROE to the german soldiers and civilians, something the soldiers obeyed.

Also, this movie portays the american soldiers as if they had been in constant non stop fighting since the landing in France. They are unwashed, tired, stressed, suffering from combat stress disorder and other mental conditions. At least Band of Brothers did a good job in protraying how the american soldiers actually looked like and the condition of the soliders in the last few episodes.

Also German soldiers were surrending at given opportunity and did certainly not kill their own civilians, while on the eastern front is was kill or be killed.

This movie would have been somewhat believeable if it was from a Russian perspective, but from an American? A lot of the scenes and dialogues were facepalm moments. Stop thinking you were fighting like the Russians.

Those who defend this movie of being "gritty realism", go watch a documentary...

Sorry for my bad english, english is not my first language.

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Most german tanks could not even make it into formation before allied aircrafts would spot them and destroy them.


What school are you at?

As for the Russians, they also greatly outnumbered the Germans at that point in the war. Perhaps you were thinking of 1941-2?

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Actually Pierre Clostermann made me feel like a fellow could get killed at any time, even though the end of the war was 'nigh'.




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Also, this movie portays the american soldiers as if they had been in constant non stop fighting since the landing in France. They are unwashed, tired, stressed, suffering from combat stress disorder and other mental conditions. At least Band of Brothers did a good job in protraying how the american soldiers actually looked like and the condition of the soliders in the last few episodes.


You do realize that there was a big difference between airborne troops (like those in Band of Brothers), and armor and regular infantry units. The airborne were usually pulled off the front lines after they linked up with the ground forces which then relieved them on the front lines. And that it was often tank and armored infantry (today called mechanized infantry) that relieved them and continued the offensive while the airborne got to rest and refit and organized for the next major operation. The 101st Airborne Division, which jumped into Normandy on June 6, 1944, returned to England on July 13, and did not return to combat until the invasion of Holland on September 17, saw combat for two months in Holland, got three weeks of rest before being thrown into the Battle of the Bulge for one month, then got moved to a quiet sector, while the 2nd Armored Division (the unit depicted in Fury) was in contact with the enemy and mostly on the offensive for 238 of the 335 days between its arrival in Normandy and the end of the war.

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Sorry but I think your premise is flawed.

Talking with American World War 2 veterans (my grandfathers), many would agree with war as depicted in the movie.

No matter from what country, soldiers suffered exhaustion, stress and, yes, uncleanliness.

As for war crimes, many happened and went unpunished.

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Dude, what is your problem coming on here and telling us that the Anericans joined the war in Germany once it was easily winnable? Perhaps you should read some WWII books, talk to some WWII veterans, if you can find any who are still living. My Great Uncle was in the army, a sniper, and survived Normandy. Too bad he didn't talk about it much.
Since you're such an expert, can you tell us why and how the Russian soldiers got away with raping so many Jewish and German women? How the Russians fumbled the entire investigation into Hitler's death?
Research that, history student.

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I think you make some fair points. As much as the American military experience in Europe is celebrated by our historians, it only lasted 11 months.

The Soviet experience was on a far more massive scale, and they faced a fight for their very existence.

Still, for the American tank crews, the threats were very real, and not just from the German big cats.

I think 'Fury' gets a passing grade for realism.

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I consider North Africa, Sicily & Italy a 'de facto' part of the European War.





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And Sicily is part of Europe.

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The Soviet experience was on a far more massive scale, and they faced a fight for their very existence.

I absolutely agree. When you look at the war in Europe as a whole, the USSR did most of the heavy lifting, and paid a far heaver price in blood then then Western Allies. And like you said the USSR were fighting the existence of their country .Whereas with the Western Allies it my have possible (if unlikely)that Germany could have ejected the US, UK and Canada from western Europe or defeated Overlord, but there was never a possibility that the west (other the France of course) to fall to Germany.

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All true for both sides in the East because neither side could expect any quarter from the other...and in any case, I can't imagine several million German soldiers in France--there was simply not enough room for them-and just imagine the lines in the whore houses. Talk about 'sloppy seconds/thirds/thirties'





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but at least the kids would have been smarter,blonder,taller etc.

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Well it sure brings new meaning to the term 'hot bunking'...*shudder*





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All true for both sides in the East because neither side could expect any quarter from the other...and in any case, I can't imagine several million German soldiers in France--there was simply not enough room for them-and just imagine the lines in the whore houses. Talk about 'sloppy seconds/thirds/thirties'


There were several million German soldiers in France during World War 1 as well as in 1940 when Germany invaded France.

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I absolutely agree. When you look at the war in Europe as a whole, the USSR did most of the heavy lifting, and paid a far heaver price in blood then then Western Allies. And like you said the USSR were fighting the existence of their country .Whereas with the Western Allies it my have possible (if unlikely)that Germany could have ejected the US, UK and Canada from western Europe or defeated Overlord, but there was never a possibility that the west (other the France of course) to fall to Germany.


There certainly was a real possibility that Britain would have fallen to Germany. Had Germany used all the resources against the British Empire that it through at the Soviet Union, Britain would have likely fallen eventually. The British army was vastly inferior to the Wehrmacht and the U boats were starving the British in the early part of the war with their success in the Battle of the Atlantic. Had Germany focused on Britain first, they would have been defeated outright or severely weakened that they would have agreed to terms in a negotiated surrender.

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Having a larger, better trained, if not as mechanized, army doesn't help much if you can't get across the Channel. The Germans simply could not. They couldn't build more aircraft than the British nor could they gain naval parity let alone superiority.

As for the U-Boats, they were not starving Britain at all.At no point in the war did rations drop to anything approaching a health threatening level. If anything, it was less effective than during the First World war. Until American production fully kicked in, the Germans were, barely, winning the tonnage war. More ships were being sunk than built. The British, however, had so many merchant ships available to them that they could have withstood those losses for several years.

Nor could the Germans ignore the Soviet Union. Starting in 1942, the Red Army would have been fully ready for war. The expansio0n would have been more or less complete. The new units and their officers would have been fully trained, and they would have up-to-date aircraft and tanks that would be as good, and in some cases better, than the Germans. There doesn't seem to be much doubt that Stalin would have attacked Germany once he was ready and thought the time was right. The Germans were quite aware that the situation was unstable and even if they wanted to fight the British first, they had to at least be ready to fight on two fronts at once.

Germany lost the war when they failed to win the Battle of Britain. The consequence of that was that the United States knew it could safely give military aid to the UK without it falling into Nazi hands and could thus fully mobilize American industry in the Allied cause.

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Ok, I'm American and very much a student of history as well, and a former Marune and combat veteran. Not WW2 but more current wars. Anyway I don't know what you mean by fighting like Russians. This is a movie, not a history lesson. I suspect if the movie was written by Russians it would forward their country in some way, as I'm sure if the movie were made by someone of another country, it would cast a more "macho" light o. Them. But as it happens this movie is from the perspective of Anerican forces. I can't emphasize enough, it's just a movie.
Yes tiger tanks were extremely deadly, but by this point of the war, ma y were broken down as the German factory's producing them were mostly destroyed and there were no replacement parts. Also fuel, big problem for he German war effort. The movie shows, quite accurately, a tiger tank tearing up Sherman after Sherman before one finally can get get it from behind, which was the best place to hit it other than from above. For those who question the Sherman tanks, keep this in mind, the US was turning out thousands of Sherman's quickly and overwhelming the Germans. The Tigers were great tanks for their time but just so over engineered that producing large numbers was difficult and keeping them running was even harder because their factories were being destroyed.
Look, this is just a movie. If you want a history lesson, read a book. Don't expect the movie industry to teach you. It's in the business to entertain. And to the end, the movie was entertaining but some parts were either horribly unrealistic or very questionable. But again, like I said repeatedly, it's just a movie and accept it as such, or don't. It's not a statement on nationalism or "my country is better than yours" or some of the nonsense people get all butt hurt over. Most of us are well aware of historical fact and can draw a distinction between Hollywood fantasy and actual fact. As far as my typos, in typing on an I-phone so if my grammar or spelling is bad. Deal with it, I don't care

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Wait, you mean the Where Eagles Dare wasn't a documentary?

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What I do not understand is why the German tank did not use reverse tracking to spin the tank. No way the Sherman could ever get behind it. At least in Kellys Heroes the wall and the tree and the narrow lane got in the way.

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And 11 million Russians died because they couldn't fight for *beep* All they did was tire the Germans out by flooding them with useless conscripts.

I guess you knew everything there was about WW2, every shot fired, every mission, every personal to know that something like this couldn't have happened. You can take your American hating ass and jump of a bridge, or I can throw you off one little man.

Don't get hurt kid. I'm not your daddy, I'll beat you senseless.

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