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Every American Chess Movie


First off, this movie is very very bad in its own right so the misrepresentation of chess in it is perfectly in line with the rest of it.

I like chess so I watched this movie. I cannot understand why the filmmakers do not go through the trouble of getting their facts straight. I would imagine that the only groups of people interested in this; i.e. the focus groups are a) chess people and b) those who see it by accident on TV, so why not try to make it right for those who understand how chess is played? I mean, they must understand that their film is not good - and it is a lot about chess, it revolves around chess. So how come they have even gotten into making this movie if their premises are so flawed?

I'd love to see someone knocking over their own king in a real match though, the look in the opponent's face: "you want me to get that for you?".

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So how come they have even gotten into making this movie if their premises are so flawed?


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I played and study chess for a couple of years. And I totally agree with you, you got Cuba for the movie and you fail to get an expert to corret the script ?
I guess this movie must be liked by anyone that does not get that Chess is not poker. Outrageous.

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I agree that the movie is flawed but do you really think their target audience was people who like chess? It's more of a generic story about redemption and inner city struggle. The Karate Kid wasn't only aimed at people who like karate and Rocky wasn't just for fans of boxing.

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What exactly did they get wrong?

Other than playing at a faster pace (necessary for a movie. get over it)
and the unbelievably rapid advancement (faster than bobby fischer or any prodigy in history would be capable of) of a patzer to player that can beat USCFF SM's (therefore probably on roughly the level of an FM or maybe even an IM) (necessary for a movie. get over it)
and the "relentlessly pound you with his queen" comment (which was again the type of simplification necessary for a mass audience movie. get over it)

The overriding theme of "visualize the endgame" was absolutely accurate. As a strong player (I could be titled if I played otb) I can confirm that I am constantly visualizing the endgame as early on as my opening selection.

This movie had two well known IM's as consultants and got all the technical details of chess perfectly right which is more than I can say for any other chess movie to date.

Get over yourself. It may have failed as a movie, but it handled the chess component just fine.

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Thank you for your input. I'll have to take you at your word, perhaps it got some things right. I literally have "gotten over it" and can't remember almost anything of it.

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I teach chess to kids as part of an after-school program and I'm an A-player (USCF 1855). In addition to the unrealistically rapid progress of the students, a part I thought was inaccurate was how they were playing in the tournament with regular boards and computers. What was that all about? Do they actually do that anywhere? I have never seen a tournament at any level played like that. The only tournaments I know of that used computers to play are ones in which they didn't also use boards because their opponents were in another location (playoffs for the Amateur Team tournament winners) or the blindfold games that they used to have in the Melody-Amber tournaments.

As for the "relentlessly pound you with his queen", I laughed at that part. It sounded pretty ridiculous to me.

As for the OP's comment about tipping the king over, that is normal to show that you are resigning. I'm not sure why you're complaining about the inaccuracies of the movie when it doesn't seem that you play chess competitively yourself.

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As for the OP's comment about tipping the king over, that is normal to show that you are resigning. I'm not sure why you're complaining about the inaccuracies of the movie when it doesn't seem that you play chess competitively yourself.


If one wishes to resign during a professional game of chess, they offer their hand to their opponent over the board. Usually you would also stop the clock after that.

Tipping over the king was accustomed once, if it happened to-day I suppose it would be considered funny or arrogant. Can't tell since it does not.

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a part I thought was inaccurate was how they were playing in the tournament with regular boards and computers.


You're right in that that doesn't happen in real life; but I think it was shown that way to accentuate the idea that these kids were walking into a situation where they were at a disadvantage because their school district could not provide the same technology so it reinforces how much adversity they faced and how against all odds it all was.

I was a tournament player myself (class C, "meh") and honestly I was not bothered at all about the technical details, it's totally not the point of the movie. The movie "Hoosiers" is preposterous to basketball aficionados but that doesn't matter, it's not the point.

Also, tipping the king over - high school players are more immature and the winner will often not be happy if the resigning player just stops the clock and goes to shake hands, the winner will want verbal confirmation that he has won. Kids will even say "check" out loud in a quiet tournament hall sometimes, they just don't know any better. Adding that would have been accurate actually, especially since most of these players are so novice many of them would need to have it pointed out that they are in check before they made their next move. Nonetheless I'm glad they did leave it quiet.

This movie hits a bit close to home for me as I played in high school myself, in the suburbs of the Chicago area, and at the state championship we faced a team exactly like this. From downtown Chicago, and the players were dressed in that same defensive style you see in the movie, and they were all black (coach was white.) There were very few other black players there. Anyway, my team happened to play them and we won but not by much. I won my game on board 5 or 6 but our top two boards got crushed, against kids very much like the talented kid in this movie. As an isolated kid in the suburbs who never really interacted with black kids before, I think this experience did something for me, I probably grew up less racist, less believing of negative stereotypes (this is the 1980's.) Their team finished pretty well, above 50%. I thought it was awesome :-)

Lovely movie, and it was refreshing that the teacher/protagonist was not cut from among the white savior genre as many of these movies about reaching minority students etc. Highly recommended.

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This movie hits a bit close to home for me as I played in high school myself, in the suburbs of the Chicago area, and at the state championship we faced a team exactly like this. From downtown Chicago, and the players were dressed in that same defensive style you see in the movie, and they were all black (coach was white.) There were very few other black players there. Anyway, my team happened to play them and we won but not by much. I won my game on board 5 or 6 but our top two boards got crushed, against kids very much like the talented kid in this movie. As an isolated kid in the suburbs who never really interacted with black kids before, I think this experience did something for me, I probably grew up less racist, less believing of negative stereotypes (this is the 1980's.) Their team finished pretty well, above 50%. I thought it was awesome :-)


Great comment. I too played in high school, but I was on the Urban schools team (The only white kid) and I never grew up thinking one school was better or worse based off of location. When we came to town we usually did very well. I was board 3 and the two kids above me were extremely good. This movie brought back a lot of memories and I really enjoyed it.

People who are so hung up on the specifics (in a chess movie? Really??) totally miss the point of the movie and probably don't enjoy much.

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Wow IMDB message boards take angry nerding to another level (not referring to OP). A snarky/pretentious comment (or lack thereof) about a grammatical rule that should disappear since it is totally irrelevant in practical English and some self-proclaimed chess-master who "could be ranked if he wanted to" (cough::BS) who ctrl+v "get over it" 20 times. You people realize just bc the OP is voicing his opinion doesn't mean it is a personal attack on you, so angry!

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I understand your point, but think about it this way. If every movie on every subject in every genre had the absolute MOST accurate depiction of everything, not only would it be incredibly detailed (and potentially boring), it would raise the budget of movies to the point that movie tickets and DVDS/Blu-rays would be cost prohibitive.

Personally, I would rather suspend belief and enjoy a story than pay X times more to see a movie in the theatre or buy it to watch at home.




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I'm rated 1756 and have played in lots of tournaments.
Tipping the king over is quite common, but usually just done carefully, tapping the king's head while holding it. Nobody looks the other in the eye, and nobody moves so quickly or slaps the pieces down all over the place, unless they're novices. Nobody sitting far away, like the principal, can tell how well someone is playing. I was disappointed Maurice Ashley didn't put in a cameo; he truly is an inspiring GM for African American players. Also, I've also never seen a tournament where both players are present, but must record their moves on a computer. This only happens in special tournaments where your opponent is in some other state or country.

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FYI - here's a link to IM Danny Rensch's experiences in supporting the development of the film. Other commenters are correct: there were two IMs acting as chess consultants - IM David Pruess was the other.

http://www.chess.com/blog/DanielRensch/my-role-in-life-of-a-king

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