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Pablo Escobar was not simply a 'bad' or 'evil' person


Based on the show anyway. I dislike this dichotomous society we find ourselves in, where someone is obstinately deemed ‘good’ or ‘bad’. Many people try to chastise Escobar; however, based on the show, he was essentially a pretty good person - albeit a complex and troubled one. The crux of the matter is in distributing cocaine worldwide, Pablo Escobar gave the people what they wanted. If people want to indulge in recreational drug experimentation, then I firmly believe they should be allowed to. We should all be accountable for our own actions and Pablo here was simply providing the means to fulfil their wishes.

Various elements of his character were actually admirable. He was a bit of a Robin Hood type character: giving to the poor, investing in the local community and also sporting clubs. Would an evil man do this? He loved his family dearly - even his nasty mother - whom to me was the real villain of the show (admitting to stealing shoes and causing the death of Tata’s brother). During Carlos’ death, Pablo heroically risked his life trying to save him, throwing himself into the incoming gunfire. This was an extremely impressive, selfless act; yet more evidence to attest to his good nature. He even forgave his mother who caused his death.

Wagner Moura stole the show when his daughter innocently asked how Santa would find them now that they were not at home. He tearfully replied, ‘Santa will always find your good and kind heart’, which to me captures the understated sensitivity of the much-maligned Escobar. Towards the end of the season, we also saw him leave his remaining money to his father, such was his unselfish nature. This was the father who disowned him, but Pablo could see past this. Indeed, so much about him should be admired: amassing one of the greatest fortunes in the world, taking everything he wanted from life and not giving in to detractors such as the government and police. And he did all of this with quite a progressive approach: employing women and a multicultural workforce.

Obviously, Pablo Escobar was not innocent and that is not what I’m saying. He did some bad things without doubt. Often though he was provoked and simply defending himself, his loved ones and his territory. Of course, all men should be entitled to do this.

I think my favourite scene of the show was reserved for the finale where he reminisced with the imaginary presence of his cousin, Gustavo. Choking up once more, Pablo remarked that, ‘everything started to fall apart the day you left’. These are not the words of a ruthless, evil man; they are the words of a complex character with a lot of good to him. Following this, the show then concluded after another emotional conversation with his children. He advised his daughter that he had been taking careful care of her bunny. Ask yourself this: do evil men spend their free time caring for little bunnies?

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I agree with everything you said about the show and the Pablo Escobar depicted in it. They did a wonderful job of making him a sympathetic character, but they also did a great job of making that sympathy a challenge. Of course I never knew the real Pablo Escobar personally and there's no way of knowing if he was at all like the character depicted in this film, but in terms of the fictional Escobar of Narcos, he was one of the greatest characters ever in television.

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I liked the character a lot and it certainly gave me a new respect for the man himself.

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Men like you disgust me. Bet you have a lot of respect for hitler, stalin and dzjengis as well.

I'm glad the murderer of so many people died, everything taken from him, but really he should have when he was much younger.

Hope bad things will come for you as well for openly flirting with such a monstrosity of a person.

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If you want to return to planet earth and debate like a normal human being please give me a shout.

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I wonder if you also have a lot of respect for Osama Bin Laden.

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I do not.

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Right, because Bin Laden killed a lot of your people.

But since Escobar killed foreigners, then you can bring yourself to respect him;-)

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Right, because Bin Laden killed a lot of your people.

My people?

But since Escobar killed foreigners, then you can bring yourself to respect him;-)

Did I not just cover this?

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Did Bin Laden kill a lot of crazy people? Because that is the only 'your people' of the OP.

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Lol moron

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Agreed doenormaaljoh

He put a hit out on an effing BABY! He was so paranoid that this baby would grow up and remember and talk about how her daddy was so happy to be working for Pablo, that he blindly went on a plane, thinking he was to only be recording a conversation (of potential next President, of whom he didn't even know what he looked like bc he was looking at the wrong men to record). But that turned out to be a bomb killing innocent people (107 to be exact) and she'd end up talking about this plane bombing. Hell, her mother was faithful to Pablo, and they killed her not knowing she shut her mouth like a good drug cartel wifey.

Remember 9/11?? Remember those innocent ppl, who died bc of terrorist highjacking a plane? This was no different.

If "you will cry tears of blood" episode didn't make your heart pound, then you have no soul.

That poor kid was sent with a bomb, hadn't even killed anyone (yet) working for Pablo. He just thought he was "Robin Hood", a guy who made his neighborhood better. Just naive! Pablo sat there and saw his happy life with his new child thinking he'll make money for and with his boss, only to be used like nothing!

He killed those terrorist that invaded the building holding ALL EVIDENCE against Pablo and his cartel and burned up everything to potentially free him, only to KILL THEM, TOO! WTF!? they wouldn't have ever said anything about that event! And that briefcase didn't even look like $1million for a job like that.

He got ppl to murder for him! You want to see the human side. Hey we all make MISTAKES, but he purposely did horrible things, without thinking about anyone. He made no mistakes to feel empathy for this guy. He choose a life of crime, violate crimes.

He's no better than hitler, or bin laden, you're absolutely right.

Open your eyes up!

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Escobar was straight-up evil-----this was a guy who blew up and killed a whole damn plane full of innocent people just to get back at one guy he had issues with. The series shows that even some bad guy can have good sides, but at the end of the day, they're still all villains and evil dudes, period. All the good things he supposedly did, didn't make up for the evil s*** he did, period.

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I wholeheartedly agree with you, because in my opinion there was a lot more to Pablo Escobar than the vicious villain they make him out to be. I am not defending him and I condemn all of his violent acts and the killings of innocent people, but there was a certain depth to his character and perhaps sort of a justification for why he did everything he did; as stupid as it sounds, he believed in and loved Colombia from the bottom of his heart and wanted to end the greed of the monopolies and give to the poor and perhaps create a balanced state, and his deep and unconditional love for his family and close friends was always apparent throughout the show.

Sure, taking up drug trafficking is not the best way to go about it, but as Machiavelli once said, the ends justify the means and it would be unwise to compare the situation and level of awareness and education over there at the time with where we are at this day and age.

I am not sure how Pablo was in real life and I am certain there are people who live during that era who are a lot more insightful than me, but all of my opinions are merely formed from articles I read and the Narcos TV show. I honestly cannot bring myself to watch Season 3 when it comes out since it won't include him because the Cali cartel was not THAT interesting to me, at least not as the "main" storyline.

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he believed in and loved Colombia from the bottom of his heart


Is that why he murdered thousands of innocent Colombians? People like you who condone mass murdering terrorists are complete scumbags!

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Well said.

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His employees abducted, raped, and murdered teenage girls; and buried their bodies in mass graves:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/03/19/the-pablo-escobar-legacy-virgin-auctions-in-medellin.html

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So people are not one dimensional. And they do things that are deemed kind or sensitive , despite being vicious and egomaniacal. No news here. I'm sure Gacy had so-called "admirable" moments.

On a spectrum of mass murder and collateral damage he was the devil incarnate, despite any kindness or loyalty he may have displayed. Handing out money , when you destroyed lives to get it, and burn it for heat, is hardly a big deal. He was practically printing the stuff.

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It's half fictional and 90% of Pablo's dialogue is purely speculation and fabrication.

So we really don't know enough but a lot of the assassinations are without justification.

Him being a drug lord is understandable as being the best way to make money at that time in the country.

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Based on the show anyway.

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To believe that Escobar loved anything but his money and power is absurd. I wonder which Marcos series you watched.

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I wonder which Marcos series you watched.

I didn't watch Marcos.

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Auto corrected obviously but my point still stands.

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LOL I look at this from the perspective of the countless victims Escobar ruined and it's simple. I don't care if he had a moment of goodness or that he loved his family. He's a mass murderer and killed innocent people period. Pablo loved himself more than anything.

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I dislike this dichotomous society we find ourselves in, where someone is obstinately deemed ‘good’ or ‘bad’.

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I know this is obviously a troll post. But I'll bite for the sake of feeding:

Your moral ambivalence, while philosophically intriguing, is completely ignorant of ethics.

He murdered people for money. His love for Columbia is irrelevant. He was a 'bad' person. Are we all shades of grey? Of course. But are some of us darker shades than others and are thus still at the whims of moral judgement? Absolutely.

Yes, Pablo Escobar was simply a 'evil' person. The complexities of a man cannot negate this axiom.

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I know this is obviously a troll post. But I'll bite for the sake of feeding:

So obvious that you decided to edit this part in later on? I am not a troll.

Your moral ambivalence, while philosophically intriguing, is completely ignorant of ethics.

How dare you.

He murdered people for money.

Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god.

His love for Columbia is irrelevant.

To you perhaps.

He was a 'bad' person.

In your opinion.

Are we all shades of grey? Of course. But are some of us darker shades than others and are thus still at the whims of moral judgement? Absolutely.

I agree.

Yes, Pablo Escobar was simply a 'evil' person. The complexities of a man cannot negate this axiom.

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I disagree. His courageous philanthropy alone shows that he was essentially a good person.

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2/10 Troll harder.

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Pablo gave out money to the poor in Medellin to make himself appear benevolent in the public eye and provide a cover when the inevitable truth about his drug empire was revealed to the people of his country and the world. He didn't do it out of the kindness of his own heart; it was a smart business tactic to help his public image.

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Nobody cares whether you like or dislike it, Pablo was a POS. Only a moron would think nobody's evil unless they hate even their family.
And only a weak minded person would let some sympathetic portrayal of a character influence his opinion about them.

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Based on the show anyway.


I agree. Wagner Moura did a great job fluctuating between empathetic and pure menace.

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He was a delight!

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I think that is basically the main point of the whole story. At certain times you feel sympathetic towards Pablo, while at the same time knowing he is a complete psychopath who doesn't deserve any sympathy. That ambiguity makes you question a lot of things.

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I felt the portrayal always evoked sympathy.

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