The end will annoy


No spoiler here other than to say the end will annoy many viewers.

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you saw the show already?

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The show was at 8pm in Canada

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boy did i call it..

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I have feeds for 4 time zones

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That's really cool! Is there anyway you could message me those? I have live feeds for certain shows I follow that are on premium cable channels, but all 4 zones would be really cool :)

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satellite feeds not internet

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Ah... ok :) Some user is pegging you as a troll. lol

It's Mech13: http://www.imdb.com/user/ur12186036/

I just told him I haven't seen you do anything that would suggest that. I mentioned that I'm glad I called Cris as the killer and he said, oh, I called it first. I went back to his thread, and he's the one who claimed to know it was Cris without ever having watched any of the show. And he was arguing with you about stuff in Cris' bio. I remember reading that and not wanting to get into the drama. :P

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It certainly annoyed me that there wasn't any sort of celebration afterwards, but I suppose Cam wanted to get out of there and into therapy. I certainly would!

By the way, did anyone else see Sasha totally snub him on his way out?

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Judging by the other contestants reaction to his win, that is probably why there was no celebration. Sasha looked aggravated, however, a lot of the other people didn't look all that happy either. I don't think I have ever seen a reality show where there was almost no happiness for the winner.

Honestly, Kam was a jerk the entire game. I can't say I was happy to see him win.

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I didn't really care for Kam's attitude either.

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I saw the Sasha thing but wasn't sure if he snubbed her? Or maybe she was just way too much into her character. Kam did hint he dislikes a couple of the players, but don't recall hearing any bad blood about Sasha.

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I think Sasha may have still be angry about how she was ousted also. She seemed very angry that she was not listened to by her team, which resulted in her getting a low score and "killed". While its been weeks of watching, its been a lot shorter time for her. She could still be angry, maybe not at the winner, but at the show itself. Although she could be angry with the winner, as his/her actions were self serving, and he/she acted like a jerk the entire game. It could be safe to say the other players were not thrilled to see him/her win as opposed to someone else.

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Sasha and Cam had a terrible feud going on. They had to reshoot the walking out sequence 3 times because of things like Cam giving Sasha the finger. It's all mentioned in this video podcast interview with the show's producer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnET6oEFveU

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Listing things that will annoy people:

1) Kam is disliked by many viewers (I personally respected him and his game, but he is blunt which people mistake as negative, bad, etc)

2) Pageant winner is a hackneyed cliche

3) False clues

4) Useless non-clue clues: (ie 613 was not a clue to anything, it was a door combination)

5) The impossibility of some events

6) The dark horse/light horse continuity issue

7) The way even the winner doesn't really know they won at the end. Kam won the moment all his pieces were done. Cris can't win, and Lindsey was 2nd, so they went through a long awkward spiel before he even knew.

8) Kam didn't really 'solve' the final clue, he simply gave up making the wrong guess out of frustration. He even said he didn't believe his own changed answer.

9) add your own....


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And don't forget the casting of the killer, the worst ive seen in reality tv

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Lindsey nailing down the killer's identity in the first week, never wavering, and still losing (the who/how issue has been addressed before, but it is still a bit unnerving at the least).

No explanation to the viewing audience of these hidden clues that were supposedly embedded into each episode.

No investigation for Melina's murder.

Kam getting a decided advantage with the puzzle piece (why did they all get to the secret door at the same time anyways?) He messed up enough times at Don's station to make it interesting.

Some fairly nonsensical challenges (Sheri's, which essentially was just a how well can you shoot a slingshot; Sasha/Dana's, perception is important but could they at least have looked at a picture of their murders and pick out what was wrong)

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Oops, very good point. I forgot Lindsey also homed in on Cris from day 1!

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9) Melina knew from day 1 "whodunnit" and through the whole season accused Cris. She was the only one who did. Benefit of this? Zero.

EDIT: correction, Lindsey also knew it was Cris from the start

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I must say, I respected Kam's gameplay. He did what he needed to ensure his team's survival, and I commend him on that. He also did great at solving things. :)

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1) Kam is disliked by many viewers (I personally respected him and his game, but he is blunt which people mistake as negative, bad, etc)


Kam wasn't my favorite, but I didn't really dislike Kam either. He had a strategy from Day 1 and carried it out.

But it did bother me that Kam won despite the fact that Melina and Lindsey accused Cris from the beginning and Kam never accused Cris and never thought it was Cris even when it was down to just the 3 of them.

2) Pageant winner is a hackneyed cliche


Doesn't annoy me at all.

3) False clues


Those weren't false clues. People just tried to find "clues" (such as the Iron Maiden) that weren't really clues to support their theory of who they thought the killer was.

4) Useless non-clue clues: (ie 613 was not a clue to anything, it was a door combination)


I expected that some clues would be red herrings. But the most annoying was Ronnie's note. They made it seem like Ronnie had figured out who the killer was, but they never explained that further.

5) The impossibility of some events


This does annoy me. I know it's a TV show. But it's a game show about solving murders. I'm not bothered by the fact that the killer had to have a good knowledge of engineering, poisons, snakes, and several other things, but I would've expected that it was at least plausible for the killer to be able to commit all the murders. For example, how did Cris fire a slingshot through a 2nd-story window and hit Sheri in the foyer? How could Cris drag a big guy like Geno across the floor? How did Cris strangle Melina, hide her in the secret room, and get back before Kam and Lindsey noticed she was missing? Etc.

6) The dark horse/light horse continuity issue


Doesn't annoy me. That was just a recreation. Nothing more.

7) The way even the winner doesn't really know they won at the end. Kam won the moment all his pieces were done. Cris can't win, and Lindsey was 2nd, so they went through a long awkward spiel before he even knew.


That was annoying. The way they showed the final screen to Kam, it appeared that there was one last riddle to solve. It seemed like the two eleven six and six was a clue, but they never explained the significance of it.

8) Kam didn't really 'solve' the final clue, he simply gave up making the wrong guess out of frustration. He even said he didn't believe his own changed answer.


That was really annoying. It was either "Giles, you are the killer" (wrong guess) or "Giles, you are not the killer" (correct guess). Kam knew he had the wrong piece, so all he had to do was change his guess. It should've been more challenging than simply guessing.

9) Melina knew from day 1 "whodunnit" and through the whole season accused Cris. She was the only one who did. Benefit of this? Zero.


That was annoying. Giles keeps saying that in the end, one guest will "unmask the killer and walk away with $250,000". So it sounded like the winner would be the one who identified the killer.

Melina and Lindsey both accused Cris from the beginning. Kam never accused Cris and never thought it was Cris even when it was down to just the 3 of them. For next season, they should find a way to include the accusations in the quizzes.

10) The killer, Cris, had a huge part in helping Kam win. I'm aware that the killer wasn't given any details and was told to play along. But the fact remains that Cris was paid by the the producers to be the killer and thus any actions she took could be interpreted as being actions taken on behalf of the producers. When she solved the riddles, she gave information to Kam and Lindsey while withholding information from the other players.

And it wasn't just any 2 riddles that Cris solved. Cris solved arguably the 2 most important riddles in the game. It was 5 vs 3. With 2 guests scheduled to die that night, it would be end up either 3 vs 3 or 5 vs 1 (with the 1 being Cris). Then it was 3 (Cris, Kam, and Lindsey) vs 3 (Ronnie, Geno, and Melina) with the losing team no longer having access to all locations and thus the winning team being in control of the game.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOwfRyd9avY

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AH_Fan: "The killer, Cris, had a huge part in helping Kam win."

One could argue that Kam's superior strategy actually helped carry Lindsey and Cris to the end. Granted, Cris wouldn't have been killed regardless, but she held her own as a player and never needed by to "saved" by the production. That's the real message they sent when they had Giles comment on how she'd never been scared during the whole season. It to reinforce that they didn't give her any "help" along the way.

AH_Fan: "I'm aware that the killer wasn't given any details and was told to play along. But the fact remains that Cris was paid by the the producers to be the killer and thus any actions she took could be interpreted as being actions taken on behalf of the producers."

That interpretation would be wrong, and you know that based on your first sentence acknowledging she had no producer info.

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It to reinforce that they didn't give her any "help" along the way.


That's what we've been assuming all along, that the producers didn't give any clues or tips at all to Cris during filming. But we know that the producers did indeed tip off Cris on Geno's murder. So it's possible that the producers also tipped off Cris on some of the other murders. And if Cris gave those "insider" information to Kam, and Lindsey, then it's the same as if the producers gave those "insider" tips to Kam and Lindsey.

That interpretation would be wrong, and you know that based on your first sentence acknowledging she had no producer info.


Nope. This is where you're wrong.

First, we know that the producers did indeed tip off Cris on Geno's murder, so they may have tipped off Cris on some of the other murders too.

Second, even if the producers didn't tip off Cris on the other murders, that's irrelevant. The maids probably didn't have any more information than Cris had on the murders. But if the maids helped Kam and Lindsey solve the riddles and make it to the final 4, that would be inappropriate because they work for the producers.

Same with Cris. Cris started out as a contestant, but Cris volunteered to be the killer for a guaranteed $50,000. As soon as Cris agreed to be the killer for $50,000, Cris was no longer a contestant. Cris was an employee of the producers, just like Giles, the two maids, the re-enactment killer, the cameramen, and all the rest of the production crew.

Cris worked for the producers. So it was as inappropriate for Cris, a paid employee of the producers, to solve the riddles for Kam and Lindsey as it would be for Vanna White to solve a puzzle for a Wheel of Fortune contestant.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOwfRyd9avY

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We don't "know" that she was tipped off on how Geno was murdered. That's your contention but the facts seem to disagree.

Interpretations can be wrong. Someone could interpret that Cris was from Mars. They'd be wrong.

Cris played alongside, solving what she could. The reason for this was an attempt to keep her role a secret. We could discuss all kinds of subjective questions such as whether that was a good or bad idea, whether it worked, or whether it serves any purpose when the identity of the player-killer turned out to be meaningless to the game. But for the objective question of did she know the murder details, 100% of the facts known to date are that she didn't.

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I wouldn't say annoying just disappointing. It was too sudden and Kam didn't even lead Cris down the stairs, he just stayed in the killer's secret room.

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To satisfy ABC Standards and Practices, they need to have tests/challenges that are air tight. So this round was a race to fill in the question mark.

Kam finished his first, at that point he'd already won.

Cris can't win or die, so that meant Lindsey "dies".

Lindsey gets the alternate message screen, and gets told she's done, and sets up for filming her arrow to the neck scene.

I'm a little intrigued about how they would have handled it if Cris finished her puzzle last.

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Cris knew all the answers so she just making sure she finished second. She was pretty obvious she intentionally fiddled around with the gun in the dark and wasted time. If she didn't, she would been first.

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I'm not sure about that. I think she pushed the goggles and tangled the lei in the dark. The more obvious tampering could be in the photo challenge of how many items are different? They've also said they didn't give the player-killer any clues, which might be true.

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Did anything materialize about the two eleven six and six clue?
Room 25? Another unresolved red herring?

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You were right, end was annoying only because the person who called Cris as the killer from day one got nothing out of the deal. That sucks for Lindsey. Kam had no clue which in itself was part of the editing because he never once guessed Cris as the killer.

I guess the biggest clue was the bobby pins.

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Well based on the internet response, indeed a lot of people are finding the outcome to be at least somewhat annoying.

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11) Cris going into the private snake tent and being all scared, but in the flashback to Bum Ba Dee Da, she handles the snake like a boss.

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Count me in as being a tad bit annoyed with how it all ended.


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