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Is Alison Actually a Sociopath?


You know, I've always resisted the idea that Alison is a sociopath. But I'm starting to have second thoughts. Maybe she's just so good at being vulnerable, that we're sucked in and can't believe that she's anything more than damaged. But look at this list and notice how many of these traits apply to Alison. Scarily familiar!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/23/11-signs-dating-a-sociopath_n_3780417.html

I can't help but think back to Oscar's remarks about her knowing exactly what she's doing while playing the lost lamb, or whatever he said. And then the peanut butter incident really set my alarms off, making me realize that my alarms should have actually been going off well before now. I haven't been a fan of her behavior for a while, but I still kept chalking it up to the pain she's been in. Now I'm starting to wonder. How about all those times she has that weird stare, for instance when someone's behaving inappropriately around her, like Robert watching her have sex in the pool and she just stares at him. Odd reaction. One of the traits on that list is, "intense eyes" and there's no doubt about that, Alison has intense eyes...along with many of the other traits...but that stare, according to the article, is perceived as either aggressive, or seductive...which would explain why Noah felt he was seduced by her, and why so many men want her.

A lot of people have said this show is becoming a soap opera, but when you really think about all the drama, there's been one constant in the middle of almost all the chaos and destruction. Alison and how everybody else reacts to her.





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It's weird how everyone explains away Alison view of the pony incident at the party as just her POV, when it's clear she's some kind of delusional psychotic (Noah might be with the guard stalking him, but that has yet to be seen).

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I don't know if that's "clear" yet, but she is starting to scare me.

For some reason, even the doll house had a creepy vibe about it.




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Yeah the innocent, beautiful dollhouse was creepy. Wow.

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For some reason, even the doll house had a creepy vibe about it.
Look at the dollhouse. Doesn't it look familiar? It is the inside of the house that Cole and Allison lived it before they broke up and it burned down. Allison is using the house to send a message to Cole. When I saw the house, it struck me as an odd thing for a 5 year old girl. That's because it really isn't for her. It's for Cole.

Allison is a deeply troubled person. I remember in Season 2, Whitney (the demon child) said something to Noah about Allison, saying "But she's a liar!" What did Whitney know about Allison? What lies had she told to Scott and Cole's family?

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I don't think Allison consciously made it for Cole. It's just what she thinks of as 'home." Remember it also belonged to her grandfather, who it seems kind of raised her because her mother was a flake.

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Yes! I knew it looked SO familiar! And also the weird gray siding, slightly run down looking exterior, nothing like a sweet little girl's doll house!

Thank you! That gives me a lot to think about. I knew there had to be more to that huge and strange looking dollhouse than just a gift for a 5-year-old.




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You can make the argument that anyone is a sociopath.

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I'm beginning to wonder if she had something to do with her sons death. Her mental breakdown, having to go to a hospital. The horse, the nut allergy and the monkey bar scene were all very off and sent up alarms bells.

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I remember her son's death being discussed at length at the time it aired. A lot of people were suspicious that as a nurse, she wouldn't know about secondary drowning and didn't get him to a hospital to be checked out. Or, at minimum, keep a closer watch on him.

Back then I was on her side, and felt her grief was genuine and that she was truly destroyed and guilt-ridden over Gabriel's death.

But sheesh, with all the destruction she leaves in her wake, I'm starting to wonder if it's realistic to think that one person can be completely innocent through it all. If she is, then wow, the writers are really going for broke with her as a tragic figure.



"There is a crack in everything
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She felt so guilty about it in part BECAUSE she was a nurse. She wished she had taken him to the hospital. She quit nursing too, probably in part because of her failure to save him.

No, I am not suspicious that Allison had anything to do with her son's death. As for the monkey bars and the horse? That just seemed like a mother who has lost a kid being overly nervous.

The nut allergy thing I don't get. No way would she try to kill Luisa. Being a nurse, she knows what allergic reactions to nuts look like and can do. If Luisa went into anaphylactic shock it would be clear what happened. She'd be under suspicion because everything else at the party would be nut-free.

So I think she was just going to maybe put it in there just so she could say "OOPS" and tell Luisa she couldn't have the cake.

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She had spoon out ready to put it into the frosting, into her cake whatever when the knock happen at the door. The detectives commented on the PB in her hand and asked what she was doing with it? Its very possible she got spooked. Didn't put down that jar until the detectives noticed her holding the jar.

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No, I know she was definitely thinking about putting that PB in the cake. But would she really have just said nothing and taken the chance that Luisa would DIE? I took it as one of those moments of "maybe I will do something crazy" that people often rethink afterwards. Sure, that in itself in disturbing. Allison is clearly messed up. But in the end, I don't think she'd deliberately KILL anyone.

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Allison is a damaged woman.

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Clearly.

But is she a sociopath? That's the question.

If you believe Oscar, and that's a debate in itself, then she may have been one all the way back in high school.




"There is a crack in everything
That's how the light gets in" --Leonard Cohen

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I don't see her as a sociopath but I do see her as having some deep mental issues... And this won't be a popular opinion but she should never have full custody of Joanie. She has too many issues.

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I didn't either, ever, but did you read that article?

Now I'm not so sure. She's seriously messed up, no question about that. Has done some really messed up things, too. And the writers have hinted that she may not be quite the "innocent" that she pretends.

I don't know. I'm torn now.




"There is a crack in everything
That's how the light gets in" --Leonard Cohen

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Yes, it's pretty clear that she's clinically depressed. It's the most obvious part of the show.

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Maybe be a depressed but she is also a habitual liar. She even lies in her own POV. Last example, in recent episode she told her daughter Cole was with her feeding her ice chips when she was giving birth to her. Alison was completely alone.

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I assumed that was an innocent white lie to tell her very young daughter. What should she had said?

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One other show I know with a lead character who is a sociopath, even psychopath, is "Dexter". Generally sociopaths aren't considered sympathetic leads. Writers avoid making them anything but outright villains. But Dexter had likeable qualities including only victimizing other evildoers. "Dexter" was a less subtle show than "The Affair".

The case for Alison being a less extreme kind of sociopath is getting stronger for me the more I read on this board. Sociopaths are not that rare, we encounter them all the time in everyday life. They are not all law breakers. One out of maybe fifty people, I have heard, at least for males, is a sociopath.

It would be fascinating if that's what the writers are planning for Alison.

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I just read one out of 25!



"There is a crack in everything
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Then it's a percentage that keeps rising as they do more research, like the % of autistic people.

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It isn't doing more research, it is redefining a term, often to the point where the original term becomes meaningless. No one dies of natural causes anymore. It is a now always a specific disease, so when one comments that more people die of cancer these days, it is misleading for two reasons, one that the cancer is now diagnosed, and that cancer is primarily a disease of cellular metabolism, whose incidence increases with age, so as people live longer, naturally more of them die of cancer.

You can't even daydream these days w/o an ADHD or autistic label being slapped on the side of your head.

And when is the last time you heard "confirmed bachelor?" Talk about a code word.

I remember being around a woman who threw around the term sociopath so much that people just stopped listening to her. It is a very black-and-white term, and 99% of the time sociopathic tendencies would be way more accurate. Reminds me of the SJW's who now call everyone who isn't 100% in-line with their a homophobic misogynistic racist. They seem to have won a lot of converts with that approach.

Alison frequently commits or is associated with terrible acts. She is a toxic individual to be around, regardless of the source of the damage in her which causes her to act that way consciously or unconsciously. Regardless of her motivation, the effect of the act is usually the same. The non-violent communication approach would have Cole saying "I need to have you in my life in a very limited way" as opposed to him railing against her with you you you statements, which just raise the defensive barriers to listening such that nothing is heard. But this show, like all dramas, is based on sending unclear mixed messages subject to misinterpretation. Sadly, people in real life sometimes learn their communication skills from TV characters.

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It would be fascinating, wouldn't it?

I rented a room to a nomadic "friend" for a few months. On the surface, she was quite charming and men of all sorts and ages were very drawn to her. I didn't realize until later that she was a sociopath (and narcissist). I could tell you some almost beyond-belief stories. Let's just say her life was always chaotic, her family wouldn't speak to her, she refused to work, always felt entitled and victimized, pitted her friends against each other, etc. The most ironic thing about her was that she was ALWAYS calling everyone else narcissistic or sociopathic.

The point is, her life was chaos. And she drew men like flies to honey. Much like Alison. I kind of wonder, if Alison's child hadn't died, what we would see. Would she still be experiencing a chaotic life? Having an affair? Back then, Cole was involved full-time with the Ranch, and, apparently, a drug operation on the side. The Lockhart family was a mess, which Alison was a part of. She was estranged from her mother. It's not like her life was smooth sailing.

The other thing I wonder about is can a sociopath love her child? According to Cherry & Cole, Alison was truly a mess after Gabriel died. But from what I've read, most sociopaths who have children use them as tools rather than actually feel love for them. Although there is a spectrum of severity with sociopathy. But at minimum, bonding is difficult. Narcissists also have difficulty bonding, but can "love" their children, although it's not often a healthy love or a pleasant experience for the child. What I read is that narcissists hang on tightly, while sociopaths abandon their children.

Hmmm...more food for thought.







"There is a crack in everything
That's how the light gets in" --Leonard Cohen

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Movies and TV have taught us to fear the more dangerous kind.

I have witnessed the growth of what I think is a budding sociopath, probably psychopath, in my sister's family. I live far away out of state, and have only encountered this child a handful of times, but every experience with him has produced something disturbing.

He has wanted attention since infancy and disrupts the peace to get it. He is cruel: he vandalizes things you value and attacks viciously - he won't just step on your foot, he'll dig in for all he's worth and smile while doing it. I saw him hit a guy in the testicles once at age seven.

His parents have enabled him because they're idiots at child raising. They are smart, though, and he inherited their brainpower, which is scary. They have never taught him any morals, punished him for anything, even ever said "No" from what I've seen. They just satisfy his wants. His own aunt from what I heard avoids him, what does that tell you?

Your story about the more charming type of sociopath is interesting and very vivid. Yeah, I think I just avoid this kind of person as soon as I get a whiff of what she's like, and it never occurred to me that "sociopath" is the word for her. There are tons of them like her. Especially if you're someone whose friends are all in one big group (I'm not), odds are that that group will contain someone like that and you have to put up with them.

I've always wondered how sociopaths feel about their children if they have so much trouble forming connections. Maybe their children like possessions to them. They could have the instinct to preserve their gene pool without all the touchy-feely emotions.

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That's scary to see in a child, and the parents doing nothing. (So many parents seem like that, I don't get it.) But the kid sounds like a regular Damien.

This charming "friend" I was talking about was a piece of work. I'd known her for quite a few years but only casually. It wasn't until she moved in with me that I began to see how seriously off she was and actually dangerous.

Always seeing herself as a victim, convinced people were stealing from her, unable to handle the smallest amount of stress without falling apart. Being convinced people were out to get her, never letting her friends meet each other, talking trash behind all their backs, that was all just her normal M.O.

The tipping point for me, though, was when her estranged family came from Canada for a family reunion. They invited her to stay with them at this gorgeous seaside hotel as a gesture of familial goodwill. She went, got into a fight with her twin sister over something inconsequential and literally tried to strangle her! Which she admitted to me with no emotion whatsoever. She told me she would have killed her if her brother hadn't pulled her off!?! Later, she couldn't understand why her sister was back to not talking to her again. I asked if she apologized for trying to strangle her and she was, "Why should I apologize?!?!". This was the same sister who had some kind of illness, and she claimed it was fake...had no empathy for her own twin whatsoever. It's one reason her sister had stopped talking to her years before.

Later she told me how she planned on sneaking some kind of banned substance into her elderly parents' luggage to smuggle across the Canadian border. I couldn't believe she'd be willing to put her parents at risk like that. I told her it was unacceptable and unforgivable. Needless to say, shortly after that, we were no longer roommates. She moved to Canada and I've never heard from her since, thank goodness. Oh, and here's another crazy thing I forgot. She told me once that her ex-husband would go out at night and peek into women's windows in their condo complex. She didn't care! I asked her how it didn't bother her and she just shrugged. She was only worried that he might get caught, not that what he was doing was sick.

And yet she collected friends all over the place, because, like I said, she could be quite charming. And also slippery. It was very hard to call her out on her stuff. And despite her frequent falling outs with every single one of her friends, she'd always came back a year or so later like nothing had happened. She's never gotten back in touch with me, though. I think she realized I was really onto her. And I'm thankful because I'd probably stupidly still be nice to her  pretty much like everybody else is, even though being friends with her is definitely not worth the trouble she brings.

I mean, I guess I should be grateful that she's the only person like that I've ever really had any close dealings with. I remember one of my ex's co-workers who was also off. Charming, but kind of scary. I remember him talking about putting a full bottle of alcohol in his fish tank once and thought it was a great prank, even though it killed all of the fish. Even though he seemed like a "fun" guy, good looking, etc. there was just something really chilling about him. I think he was probably a sociopath, I know my husband definitely thought so back then. I feel sorry for his little boy, now. I was friends with his wife who was a real pacifist and wanted to instill that in her kids, and yet she was always dismayed that her son could turn absolutely anything into a weapon. I always thought that maybe it just showed that boys are fundamentally different from girls, but now I wonder if it was an inherited trait from his father. Because apparently, sociopathy can be inherited?

As for Alison, I think I might have just assumed she's being narcissistic until she did that thing with the peanut butter. There's no excuse for even thinking about doing something like that. Also the stuff with Joanie. The lack of bonding, leaving her with Noah, etc. And now it makes me look back at a lot of other things she's done and it makes me wonder.

I don't know if the writers are going there, but I hope they've got a psychologist advisor on their team, because this is some messed up stuff going on with Alison and I hope it's eventually resolved in some way that we, the audience, understands.




"There is a crack in everything
That's how the light gets in" --Leonard Cohen

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I want nothing to do with the family I described. For years I thought the kid's mother was nice, I'm starting to think she is a sociopath, too. She is too calm, nothing bothers her, not her kid's behavior, nothing. Blank. They are in-laws of my sister so avoiding them isn't too hard. My poor sister, though.

The people you have been describing are truly scary. I hope you don't give in and invite the strangler back into your life and home. The guy spiking the fish tank is a sicko.

I once worked with a guy who believed that if a person made a mistake, others (e.g. he himself) were entitled to capitalize on it because the person was stupid and deserved it. He thought there was nothing wrong with taking advantage of a mistake, like keeping a lost wallet.

But this is mild compared to your stories.

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No, I honestly won't let her back in at this point. And if she contacted me, I'd tell her she's too chaotic. Unfortunately, I've learned that sometimes you really have to distance yourself from certain people. The risk of being around them is not worth the trouble. And sometimes you have to realize that nothing you try to do is going to be effective in helping them.

I know what you mean about the guy who thinks taking advantage of someone else's mistake is just an opportunity for the taking. Sometimes, I wonder if there's a sociopathic streak running through society, or if more of that personality type (or something similar) exists than we realize because it seems more and more that people think it's okay to take advantage of others. I mean, look at all these people stealing Christmas packages off people's doorsteps. Or corporate managers or raiders who don't think twice about destroying people's lives, etc. It's got to be more than just selfishness, or greed, don't you think? I'd be torn up if I felt responsible for hurting other people.

I guess what I sort of learned from my friend's behavior is that she could seem normal enough on the surface, with some questionable behaviors that were easy enough to brush off. If I hadn't actually lived with her, I'd never have known how extreme her behavior was. It wasn't until I saw her day in and day out that the cracks really started showing when she'd tell me these crazy things she'd done as if they were normal. Yet at some level, she had to know they weren't acceptable because otherwise, she'd tell everybody. And it sort of bothers me that she'd think I'd be okay hearing about them. Maybe I was substitute family since they disowned her? All I know for sure is I'm so glad she's out of my life.




"There is a crack in everything
That's how the light gets in" --Leonard Cohen

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Is there an epidemic of Xmas packages being stolen? I better be careful....

I agree though. That kind of behavior has been too normalized. I was raised by very Old School Ethics parents. They weren't super strict or anything but they always tried to do "the right thing." My father was a brilliant man and a lawyer but he never made as much money as he could have, partly because he felt uncomfortable doing certain things that might have advanced him financially.

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Or corporate managers or raiders who don't think twice about destroying people's lives, etc. It's got to be more than just selfishness, or greed, don't you think? I'd be torn up if I felt responsible for hurting other people.


http://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffbercovici/2011/06/14/why-some-psychopaths-make-great-ceos/#143a8c6c4fac

Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue.

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Unfortunately, I've learned that sometimes you really have to distance yourself from certain people.


I have never had any troubling distancing myself from the wrong type of person. But that is because I am not a group person. I don't hang out with a group, I pick and choose my friends from different places and most of them don't know each other.

If you are gregarious and like being in groups, there is always some probably charmimg but unsavory person in that group you will have to put up with, unless the entire group wakes up and ostracizes her. As long as you belong to the group you will feel pressured to accept her because you see through her but few others do.

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Sociopaths unlike Psychopaths, can have somewhat normal emotions toward peopel they choose to love. They have the ability to love. They love few people but are capable of it. High on the scale sociopaths may use their children but it tend to be more of Psychopath tendency.

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But your friend doesn't sound anything like Allison. Trying to strangle her sister? Planting drugs on her parents? Refusing to work? Allison worked pretty hard as a waitress. She went to med school but realized it wasn't for her, then went back and worked at the restaurant. She never did anything like what your roommate did.

What is really giving me pause right now is the peanut butter. If she was actually considering trying to kill Luisa, then OK, she's really gone crazy. But that doesn't mean she was crazy before.

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I never intended to compare them. There's a spectrum of severity and I was comparing Alison to the original article. But now that you mention it, there are also similarities in behaviors between the person I knew and Alison, especially in the escalation of anger to the point of violence, while showing no emotion. The seduction thing, without being overt (the eye stare). Alison also was okay with doing the drug drop. Alison's done a lot of messed up things when you think back, but we've always cut her slack because of her grief. I'm trying to figure out if her pathology goes beyond her grief and the trauma of losing her son. Oscar said yes, but can Oscar be trusted?






"There is a crack in everything
That's how the light gets in" --Leonard Cohen

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She didn't initiate the drug ring, her husband and his family did. What does that make them? They didn't seem to have any qualms about it. She went along to help save their family land and business. It seemed to me she was dragged into it and as she said in S1, she was so numb then that she didn't care if she lived or died. Maybe that was the start of it, IDK.

I wonder about her myself, especially after the peanut butter thing. That's a big red flag for me. But I don't think she was a sociopath in S1 or S2. Any more than Noah was, certainly. I guess we'll see.

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That's the thing, though. Just being involved is a problem. Lots of normal people would flat out say no. Yeah, maybe she wasn't thinking straight because she was so messed up from the death, but you still have to wonder about people who repeatedly find themselves in bad situations. It says more about them, their choices, etc. than the situations they find themselves in. I mean a lot of people go through some terrible things and they don't suddenly start doing all kinds of destructive stuff. Some do, but I feel like there had to be some underlying issues there first, perhaps as simple as abandonment (which I used to think was her core problem), that didn't allow her to have the coping skills she needed to find a way to avoid the destructive tendencies. But now I'm wondering if maybe there's something more serious than abandonment issues going on. Like you said, the peanut butter thing really made the wheels start turning for me. There's simply no excuse for that, no normal person would actually contemplate doing that for any reason.









"There is a crack in everything
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