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Powerful Ending; here's why (spoilers!!)


i've been reading people complaining about the ending on this thread, and i also can feel it when i watch it in movie theatre people go "what?!" on the ending. but it the best ending possible and the ending is what's the movie all bout.
i'll make it short.
Locke life unfold right before us as we accompany his 90 minutes drive to London, to see his baby from a one night stand with Bethan, all his problem, with his wife, family, boss, father, job etc is root in his decision to just go see the baby. in his journey, we question his decision, why throw away everything, basicly his perfect life, his family and his high profile job, just to see this baby from a mistake he make in one night. we all make up an alternative for him as we ride with him, but in the end when we heard the baby crying on the phone, we know, we just know he make a right decision, the baby has nothing to do, and has no mistake or whatsoever, the baby innocence remind us that Locke make a right decision all the way. this is why i think this is a powerful story, and masterful scriptwriting.

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There wuz a real baby cryin at da theater and I can tell u ppl were angry

Werd 2 ur mudda, bruddafcker

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The baby was probably crying because he just learned he was born into a world where illiteracy was commonplace. Poor little guy.


You ain't got a license to kill bookies and today I ain't sellin any. So take your flunky and dangle

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I speak baby talk and he told me hez cryin bec da werd police is closin in

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I think we're too far down the rabbit hole for the word police. More like Marshall Law.

You ain't got a license to kill bookies and today I ain't sellin any. So take your flunky and dangle

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Bite me

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Agreed. Very well-said.

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True that. Great movie, Tom Hardy was great.

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What problems with his wife and family, or even with his boss or job? Or even his father for that matter? His problems with the first group only happen because he bails on them to go to the birth. Otherwise, he has had everything under total control. Only when he finds out about the pending birth and takes flight do things at home and with his work go instantaneously pear-shaped. Prior to that everything was hunky-dory because of his stolid nature. Even the affair wasn't about issues with his wife. He even said that. He doesn't love Bethan. He feels nothing for her. It was a drunken moment of pity that he had completely forgotten about until he was sandbagged with notification of the start of her labor.

As for his father, it is apparent from dialog that the reason he is going to be present at the birth of his child hell-or-high-water is because his father was not present at his. And from the level of his psychological delusions as evident from his rear-view mirror conversations, it is feasible to think he has never known his father but in his own mind.

This movie is not about a man escaping his horrible personal and professional life. The turns for the worst regarding those just happened. This is about a guy who has repressed mental issues that come out when everything collapses because of one mistake (remember the metaphor of the wrong concrete mixture?). The ending is not that complicated or powerful. He has lost everything because of the affair and blowing off the huge work project, and he has but one thing to do - go see the baby. Ironically, he didn't even make the delivery. But otherwise it is kinda what he had planned to do.

The movie was okay. But it lacked something to make me fully connect with and care about the character. He never fully expressed regret or guilt over his actions - his outbursts were more signs of frustration over the loss of control.

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There's an implication his father was around, but never as a father. Sounds like he had seen his father around in a town while he was growing up, but his father never took an interest in raising him.

There's also an implication that this was a pattern with the Locke family - they were unwanted babies, brought up by single mothers. This, I think, is what made Locke determined to break the cycle, which he seemed to regard as the Locke curse. He didn't want to be another Locke who'd abandons an unwanted child.

The crying baby seemed to have given him a sense of closure. That he's broken the cycle. In other words, he felt unwanted or rejected, but hearing the baby crying gave him a sense that his commitment to be there on the night of birth was worth sacrificing his normal life, because the baby won't suffer the Locke curse. The curse died the moment the baby cried.

He owned his mistake, which the Locke family never did. He wanted to prove he wasn't weak like them, even it'd mean losing almost everything, and that he had the strength to make it right. He got his project back on track. He'll rebuild his relationship with his sons. He will be there for the baby for the rest of its life. As if he was reborn.

There's also an implication that he saw himself in Bethan, which might explain why he was drawn to her, but he didn't know this until half way through the drive. The realisation hit him after the third or fourth 'conversation' with his father.

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Grat film, great performance, great story. However it is for a small proportion of people to like it. No special effects, no explosions, no over acting. Just the life a man beeing destroyed little by little and hin trying to make the best of it.

New cycle of life.


"The only thing a gun does is focusing an explosion in one direction"

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Your last point is excellent. I agree completely.

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There's an implication his father was around, but never as a father. Sounds like he had seen his father around in a town while he was growing up, but his father never took an interest in raising him.


He mentions that his father came to see him when he was around 20 or so to apologize, claiming he wasn't drinking anymore. Ivan seems very bitter about this, feeling that it was too late to establish contact. His wanting to be there for his newborn child seems to be some kind of revenge toward his now dead father--screwed up as that may be. He keeps repeating that if he could, he would dig up his father to bring him along to witness how not like him Ivan is.




And all the pieces matter (The Wire)

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The movie was okay. But it lacked something to make me fully connect with and care about the character. He never fully expressed regret or guilt over his actions - his outbursts were more signs of frustration over the loss of control.


I agree. When talking to either his wife or Bethan his tone seemed patronizing. Especially to Bethan while she was in labour. He just seemed so removed although wanting to do the 'right' thing. If he so desperately wanted to do the right thing why didn't he tell his wife what had happened months earlier? He only decides to tell her he was unfaithful when he learns that Bethan became pregnant. He probably hadn't even given Bethan a second thought until she called him.

When Katrina asks him if he still wants the phone number of the councilman after they have been discussing what will become of their marriage and he says yes, she correctly acknowledges that his work has always come before their marriage. He's still thinking of work even at the brink of losing his marriage. So when he has tears coming down his face it isn't that affecting.

He is a man who compartmentalizes everything in his life--his work, family, the past. Even while driving to the hospital to hopefully attend the birth of his child, he tells Katrina that he hopes to come home the next day. He will only spend that evening with Bethan. Who knows how often he will see his new child. He only seems to be interested in giving his name to the child so that he/she won't be a 'bastard.'

I got the feeling from the film that Ivan is supposed to be some kind of hero because he isn't leaving Bethan in the lurch. While that is admirable, I think his getting involved with her in the first place subsequently inflicted a lot of damage on his family. He is also damaged in the sense that he has never made peace with his past or his father. He is so intent on not being 'weak' like his father but hasn't owned up to his own scars. He seems to think he can just fix the things that are broken--fix his marriage; fix his wife's broken heart; fix sad lonely Bethan; etc. He should start with fixing himself.





And all the pieces matter (The Wire)

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I got absolutely zero sense that the film was trying to make Ivan seem like a hero. The screenplay made him seeing like a man who is emotionally stunted because of something that happened with his father and feels that this one decision - being there for this woman as their baby is born - will help him escape the shadow of his father, even as it *beep* up his whole life. He has no delusions about it *beep* up his life, though he clearly is naive in thinking that the world will fall into place eventually because he's "doing the right thing". The screenplay shows him to be human but deeply flawed. The music is atmospheric rather than emotional, and the camera remains impassive through his various emotional states.

The ending, to me, was a way of giving a ray of hope to Ivan's situation even as we clearly realise there's not going to be a happy ending. He is not going to patch things up with his wife, he is not going to get his job back, he is probably not going to have any lasting relationship with this lady he has nothing in common with. But the baby has been born, he has nearly done what he set out to do, and now he can start on his "practical next step". That is his perspective, which is what the film is about, but the filmmakers know we are intelligent enough to see beyond one mad night.

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This is an excellent summary of the movie.

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You make it sound like "repressed mental issues" regarding parents/family etc. only happen among crazy (in this case - "bad", too) people - rather than every last person on the planet to some lesser or greater degree.

The film deserves credit for an accurate and honest portrayal of those handful of life-changing nightmare scenarios WE ALL experience when things go badly wrong and every option left open is a bad one which hurts people.

Boiled down - you didn't like the guy because he didn't beg enough forgiveness from you for cheating on his wife, lying to his family and running out on his colleague and employer (even though no employer or colleague would ever suggest that attending your child's birth isn't a valid reason to be off work).

Locke is adult cinema in the truest sense. I'm not criticising you in particular here - but I do wonder about the ages of those posting negatives. Any adult over 30 with a family and responsibilities will understand Locke's situation because they've been through similar. A child or adolescent (which these days is any age between 14 and 50) has no understanding.

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You missed a huge bit about the state of his marriage, which was obviously in terrible shape. His wife is using the one-night stand as an excuse to kick him out of the house.

We will never know the degree to which he actually neglected his wife, but we have very strong evidence that he had a great relationship with his kids, which would be his biggest priority. It's possible that between the dedication to his kids and to his job, he did neglect her, but if she has her act together at all, she loves him for both of those things and makes is clear to him that he needs to attend to her as well. It appears as if, instead, she just withdrew in jealousy. She certainly no longer loves him. She as much says that she despises the concrete he tracks into the house, which, after all, merely symbolizes his aptitude as a breadwinner and his very admirable dedication to, and fabulous competence at, his job.

It's generally a good idea if the person you're with loves their job instead of hates it. Withdrawing in jealousy because your partner loves their job is not really an optimum strategy. And Locke's relationship to his work should not be confused with that of a mere workaholic (who often are simply obsessive about working jobs they don't particularly love). He loves the idea of creating the foundations for magnificent buildings (obviously a metaphor, and perhaps one he is consciously aware of, for his role as a father), and his wife hates him for that.

And a lot of his decision to sleep with Bethan, and then to be there for the birth of their child, is driven by the loneliness of being unappreciated in a loveless marriage.

Prepare your minds for a new scale of physical, scientific values, gentlemen.

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What the hell are you talking about? Ivan loves Katrina and they were happy, end of story.

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I watched it half asleep just now, and what I got was...

Essentially, his old life is dead and gone. However, with the birth of the newborn, it's a beacon of hope; tabula rasa.

Personally it reminded me a lot of Gravity in that sense.

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in his journey, we question his decision, why throw away everything, basicly his perfect life


And we eventually learn it's not so perfect. Both the job and the wife and way too demanding, stressful, and supportive.

in the end when we heard the baby crying on the phone, we know, we just know he make a right decision,


Correct, great movie.

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He's definitely not going there to "see the baby", he's doing it to fulfill his own selfish needs associated with his deep, disturbing psychological distress from not having what he would consider a real father. It's his way of essentially getting back at his father and "making things right", showing how he believes his father should have acted. If it were not for this, he wouldn't give two shts about this baby, just as he was clearly emotionally detached from Bethan, and his life would go on as usual.

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This.

This movie was all about the ego.

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The ending is a bit out of classic rulebooks, but thats OK.

And Locke eventually would be OK. The movie is about life, which basically is a road, motion of events changing each other.

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