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Fox Boss on Nicole Beharie's Sleepy Hollow Departure: 'It Was a Decision


Fox’s top entertainment executive is suggesting that the network was left with little choice but to part ways with Sleepy Hollow star Nicole Beharie, whose character, Abbie, was killed off in the show’s Season 3 finale.

“There were a variety of factors that led to the end of the season,” CEO Dana Walden told reporters during a Monday-morning conference call to tout Fox’s fall schedule. “It was not a decision that we wanted to make initially. We ended up being put in a situation where that was a decision that needed to be made.”

Regarding the controversial decision to move on with a fourth season sans Beharie, Walden said, “What we know is that Tom Mison is a big star. And the Ichabod Crane character has been so central to the series and the storytelling and he feels like an original, big Fox character.

“We don’t feel like it has to be the end of the life of the show,” she added. “And while there was backlash [to the Season 4 renewal], there was also a tremendous amount of enthusiasm from fans about the show coming back and about Tom having the ability to be the center of the series and discovering new dynamics and new relationships. It’s a very original premise and we felt like it had greater life in it and that there was no reason to end it.”

Walden also denied that Season 4 would serve as the show’s swan song. “We’re not announcing that it’s the final season,” she maintained. “We’re not sure if it’s the final season.”



http://tvline.com/2016/05/16/nicole-beharie-sleepy-hollow-controversy-departure-abbie/



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Hopefully this at least ends the "she wasn't fired" discussion.

She is gone and they're banking on Mison. The end.

Which helps me continue on my "not again" journey. I may check for ratings out of curiousity but I'm done. They clearly are not as smart or brave as the Castle team who did the right thing and ended the series.

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I have wondered before if TPTB/writers/cast members make statements to agitate/vex the fans so that the fans will go on Twitter to refute/complain and cause the Sleepy Hollow hashtag to trend.

I read somewhere, Twitter or Tumblr, I can't recall, that on Friday the hashtag was trending.

Today, Fox has its Upfronts, yes? Is this for the advertisers? If so, Fox can show that the hashtag is trending a second time in four days.

Something just does not feel right about any of this.


ETA - Removed my comment about the reason for the Sleepy Hollow hashtag trending on Friday because I cannot substantiate the reason for the trending.

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I liked everything about your post, but I think my favorite may have been a typo, when you discussed the negative twits. I suppose there were an equal number of positive twits. And I suspect you have really hit on something with your idea that the twits are doing *exactly* what Fox wants....

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Someone sent a tweet to Orci about returning to Sleepy Hollow and said that he had to have seen the negative tweets. Someone else then tweeted that it looked like 8 out of 10 tweets were negative. However, I have nothing to prove or disprove the number of positive or negative tweets.

I will edit my original post concerning this.

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Oh, I wasn't judging!! Sorry! It really liked your idea *and* your changing the word (probably accidentally). Twits have been running and ruining this show for a while!

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Oh God, I just realized what the typo was you were referring to in my post!
I am posting from work in between meetings. Need to slow down and properly read the posts.😁

I didn't think you were judging at all.

It was after rereading my comment that I realized that my comment could be taken as though I had substantiated facts about the reason for the trending.


Hmmmm, I updated my original post but the update is not showing. Will try again.

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This is so dismissive of Nicole's impact on this show. LOL @ Tom Mison being a big star. Where? Certainly not in the United States of America. Oh, FOX. They'll never learn.

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Tom Mison being a big star



Yeah, I know! What the hell is he talking about??? I'd never heard of the man until SH. But, tbh, we don't really learn of many stars existence until they land on a favorite show. But, regardless, Mison is far from a bug star.



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That's one of those comments people say that they don't really believe, but they are determined to prove a point. I had no idea who NB was originally when I first heard about the show. I was reading a story about Fassbender and her name came up and then a mention about Sleepy getting ready to air. But all of that was STILL before I knew who Tom was.

I haven't watched since episode 1 of S3 (it just because a chore for me), but I have kept up for the most part with everything. I'm legitimately surprised they renewed it bc Fox has always been the network that will pull a show if it's not performing. That says to me that they are digging in trying to prove something. It's not going to work.



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This is so dismissive of Nicole's impact on this show.


This is what ticks me off the most and it's why I'm not here for Season 4. They have steadfastly refused to admit that she was part of the show's success. It was the balance of Ichabod and Abbie that made it. Every other woman they have thrown in the mix has flopped...badly. If she were really so expendable, they'd have done it with the mid-season finale, but they knew the few fans they had left, would have dropped the show like a hot rock.

I actually feel bad for Tom, because he is now the face of this trainwreck. They can't blame Nicole, or Ichabbie or anything else. I'm not sure Ichabod and random girl of the day are going to bring back the audience.

On a side note, I wish I could screen-cap some of the more racist comments Nicole has endured during her tenure and send them to Dana Walden. This is the audience you wanted, and now you have them. I wish you nothing.

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I haven't really had a chance to keep up with all the news surrounding Beharie's departure so I'm just catching up on all of this now. And all I can say is it pisses me the hell off. Sleepy Hollow had TWO stars. There were TWO people I loved. Knowing that Beharie was so sorely mistreated seals my decision to not return next season. The Fox execs can just f--- right on off. Fox has the worst track record. I loved Firefly. I loved Almost Human. (They screwed up with Futurama and Family Guy, too.) I liked Dollhouse. Ugh...

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For real---Mison a "big star"? Uh, WTF? Not outside of this show, he ain't. As if he was the only reason the show was popular in the first place. Like Crane's partnership with Abbie (the main reason the show got popular in the first place) never even existed? That gets no credit whatsoever? Give me a break!

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It's the end I haven't watched since season 1 the others aren't on bluray, so now there is no point continuing now

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The Upfronts schedule it as coming back in Winter (probably meaning January)

Dude, it’s Beacon Hills.

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I hope Nicole has some great projects come out by then.

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Dana Walden is a weasel along with the other CEOs.

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I think people are not really understanding of the this person was trying to say. Tom Mison is indeed a star if you are a fan of BBC, but I think what they meant was that Ichabod was the central character for this show all along. It was never supposed to be about them all the time. I think they were saying that they wanted to get back to the heart of the series when it first conceived. Ichabod Crane is in the present day. But here in the States, we are all about shipping. Putting two characters together often ruins a series. I think fans do more to hurt a show than anyone involved with its production.

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I don't think "shipping" has anything to do with it.
They started the show with two characters as co-leads, the two Witnesses.

But then TPTB pivoted and hip-checked Abbie to the side and moved a supporting character to the center, messing up the central premise and tone of the show. It threw off the dynamic of the show (which had been successful)

And then TPTB started doing things like not inviting the actress who played Abbie to do commentary on the DVDs, bringing in more white characters while continuing to sideline/diminish POC, running polls about which white female character should be the lead or some such (when the show HAD a lead actress already NB)

The fans didn't hurt this show. TPTB/writers hurt the show by dismissing parts of the show that worked out of the gate, side-lining an actress/character who was a huge part of the show's success, and focusing on dull poorly written family drama and a mythology that didn't make sense. Then they had a chance to hit reset after the S2 finale and instead fired one of the cast members who had been SH's biggest online cheerleader, hitched their wagons to Sexy Betsy and gave us a season of wheel spinning and filler episodes.


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I think they were saying that they wanted to get back to the heart of the series when it first conceived. Ichabod Crane is in the present day.
You do realize that NB was hired first and that Tom had to do a screen test (or whatever it was called) to test his chemistry with her. So no, the heart of the series was NEVER just about Ichabod.

I must say that I'm more than a little tired of people trying to make excuses for this huge travesty without even know the basic of facts. Fans and critics alike are angry for good reason, if you want to put your head in the sand about it, that's fine, but please stop with the excuses.

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That's just the way you're selling the story. Saying something was this way doesn't make it that way.

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You clearly are new to the show/board. This has been known since way back in S1. But don't take my word for, by all means look it up yourself. But no, if you did that, then you couldn't still go around with your BS story that it was supposed to be all about Ichabod.

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Tom Mison while good is not a star, the show is done mainly due to network interference.

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I won't watch without Nicole. I'm sorry but the story isn't about him. If it was they'd have done a different story anyways. Why make it about two witnesses?! That's dumb. This show is dumb anyways for the pure fact you have the bible God and then you have mythical God's in the same universe. Like really?! How does that work and why did the bible God not I don't know....kill the mythical God himself? These people who write and produce this show must think we are dumb. The writing reminds me of 80s shows where they stopped and started storylines and forgot past episodes. The only reason to watch the incoherent mess was for the dynamic between Tom and Nicole.

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When fans really really like someone, they will never see another point a view. That's just the way it is. Crazy? Definitely. Understandable? Definitely. And I'm done with this nonsense.

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You realize you've just explained *your* insistence that Tom is a star, BBC or otherwise. The only thing that I could find, beside a few lines in Parade's End, the soon to be dumped boyfriend in Salmon Fishing in the Yemen, was less than a hour of screen time in a 6 or 8 hour Jane Austen then and now mashup on BBC. None of that spells "big star" to me.

I think you have pointed out a phenomenon that happened with SH. There were a group of fangirls that made it all about him, and made him, in their minds "a star", maybe even "*the* star". But he never was. If you really watched from the beginning, then you remember it was about...pay attention here, because you seem to forget this part...the TWO witnesses.

They can retcon all kinds of other things, but for some of us, that was the story we fell in love with, that was the tv show we wanted to see, those were the stars, with a very big "S" of the show.

I can see Tom's appeal, and I can see why Fox wants to give him a break. But they should have scrapped this show and found another vehicle that could showcase his comedic talents. But to say SH was all about Tom and it can go on without the other witness because we've retconned in the ability to replace one (remembering that Tom had to be put to sleep for 2 centuries because he couldn't be replaced, yeah?), to do that is a huge middle finger to the other star of the show and all of the fans, not just Nichole's fans, but ALL the fans of the show.

Because, in essence they are saying we are so dumb, we won't notice all the changes they made, all the dumping they did, all the shade they've tossed. And I don't like anyone assuming I'm stupid.

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I agree with everything you said, the decline in ratings don't support Fox's "theory" that Tom is the star. But I think they are blustering through and hoping the Sandra's return for season 4. The problem is, they've managed to pi$$ off everyone.

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I don't really understand shipping, not as fierce at it gets at times, but I *think* (meaning I could surely be wrong) that the Sandas were die hard Katrina fans because she was white, and they could easily insert themselves into the fantasy, but they couldn't with Abby, because....well, for rather obvious reasons.

The whole thing seems moot at this point even though they've renewed the show. CC did OK with The Glades, it was sorta a fish out of water--big city Chicago cop in backwater of Florida--show, and it feels like they are gonna make this the Ichabod's Excellent Adventure in the 21st Century show, so somewhat similar.

I wish them all luck. They're gonna need it.

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Yes, yes and yes.

The only reason I feel as I did, was they way they talked about the relationship. As if they knew what they were thinking, how the love was so overwhelming, how it was so deep, committed and sweet. Bittersweet when they were separated, fiercely sweet when Katrina got out of Purgatory but had to sacrifice her time with her husband to continue her mission and spy on headless. And it was all so wonderful, lovely and perfect....and real relationships are *nothing* like that. But this was pure fantasy, supposedly what they were seeing on screen, but that wasn't what was on the screen at all!

No wonder they railed against your posts. How dare you burst their perfect little bubbles.

Didn't you actually feel just a little bit bad for them? If they have this fantasy of what a perfect love looks like, how can they ever find a real love, in the real world, that will be *nothing* like that at all? Ah, I've been told pity is even more cruel than hatred, but I honestly did pity them.

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OMG, the delusion is strong in here. Nasty ichabbie stans claiming the other ship was ugly?? Exactly who tweeted nasty things to the actors? Who called for the death of Katrina all over the internet b/c they couldn't stand Ichabod having a living wife? It wasn't the Ichatrina fans. Abbie/Ichabbie stans are nuts!! Nicole is gone, so please fade back into the rotting hell of tumbler where you idiots belong. Even Nicole hates you freaks.

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There are many people who post on IMDb that have problems with reading comprehension. It really surprises me, because one has to be tested in school: you read a story and then answer questions about the story. Where were the characters, how did they feel about baseball, why were they cheering for (blank) and so on. And one was supposed to have understood from reading the story that someone's brother was on a team and just hit a home run and so on.

It's one of the most basic and important skills one can get from school. It makes reading books for fun possible, it makes it easier to follow stories in movies, it is necessary to follow complex story lines on tv shows. And yet, it is a skill so very lacking here.

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I won't defend my position. Either you know perfectly well what is being said here and you choose to ignore it, or no amount of further explanation will help.
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If you really watched from the beginning, then you remember it was about...pay attention here, because you seem to forget this part...the TWO witnesses.


That implies to me that everyone watched for that. Which is just not true. The people who just watched for scary apocalyptic stories about the headless horseman, witches and evil monsters do exist and have been treated abominably the the people who did watch for that.

I never knew what they went by witnesses or where they were going with that and I got sniped at every time I came on the board because I didn't care about that whole thing.

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The scary monsters, the headless horseman and the Apocolypse were all part of the premise....which was to be met and hopefully averted by the two witnesses. Ichabod was a walking history book, so a guide to the 18th century, and Abby was a law enforcement agent, someone who had experience fighting bad guys in the 21st century.

Many people saw a chemistry between the witnesses. It was their humor and friendship and support, and some hoped that more would happen with them, that they may have a relationship some day. That was not the focus or premise of the show, that was a wish by some romantic viewers. But that did not change the fact that the premise of the show, as pretty much stated by the characters, was the witnesses fighting the evil and supernatural beings leaking onto this world.

Your focus may not have been on the witnesses, that doesn't change the stated premise of the show,

I think, sometimes, when you write posts, you write a bit defensively because of past bad experience with other viewers seeing things differently. But your defensiveness comes across as a bit snippy, too. I couldn't tell, from your post, whether you were taking umbrage at what I wrote, or were just trying to make a point. I'm just trying to make a point to you....the quoted portion was to an obvious snarky post, so I got snarky in return. Not my proudest moment....
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I couldn't tell, from your post, whether you were taking umbrage at what I wrote, or were just trying to make a point.


My most sincere apologies. It was not directed at you personally at all. But honestly, like I said, I never got the whole witness thing. It was a badly executed idea in my opinion. I know other people loved it but I never got it. I never got how it was going to work if they continued on with the four horsemen idea, and I understood it even less when they dropped the four horseman idea.

I wasn't the only one because I remember at the start certain people debating if Abbie was really the witness and if so how she was chosen as witness. The idea of the witnesses was a convoluted mess in certain eps.

And I never considered the two leads having a relationship because I have seen that send too many shows into the toilet and I didn't want that to happen. It is very hard to make it work well, especially with someone like Tom whom I personally feel does not do romance well. He can play someone from a more chivalrous and romantic era well, but that's it. I just never thought it was his strong suit. I don't blame Nicole for that. I blame Tom. Have you ever seen him do anything physical in the romance dept. and do it well?

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Tom is really not very romantic, is he? I love Salmon Fishing in the Yemen, but I never really bought him as the love of her life, someone she would wander around the house crying about, missing so much. And when they were reunited, and it was supposed to be this heartwarming war hero returns story, but you could literally *hear* the thud. Same as Mr Bingley in that weird Austen thing.

I'm like you, ships ruin many a good show, and not because I'm not romantic, but because the writers just don't seem to know how to write for a couple. Everything is sweet while they are getting to know each other, but once they are a couple, the writers insist on making them dishonest or stupid so they can contrive strife in their life. It is so unrealistic.

As I wrote in another post/thread, the treatment of Nicole did not strike me as racist when the conversation first started, but I realized I really didn't have a dog in this hunt, so I just read the comments. And I definitely see a lot of sense in what was written. So, the witness thing, the 2 of them being important, as a premise, was important to the people that loved a black actress in a co-lead role. The fact that Abby was marginalized--as both a witness and a character--was something that someone in power decided had to happen. Maybe you never got the witness thing because it was under attack from bad writing and bad decisions made about the show, from an early start. That caused a schism in the viewers, and I think some innocent viewers, people whose enjoyment was without racial bias, got caught in the middle of it all.

I'm probably not explaining this very well, but in reading posts, I realized there were fans who liked certain aspects of the show and didn't like other aspects, and none of it was racially motivated. But, so much of the show's writing *was* racially motivated; it made it difficult for posters to keep their anger and frustration out of their posts. Those few, who like you were just trying to watch a tv show, got caught in the cross fires. Because there really were people spouting racial bias and hatred in the guise of discussing the show. It was blatant and ugly.

All of this seems a moot point; someone in power has changed the show so much, it is hardly recognizable. I'm not sure many people are interested in Sleepy Hollow 3.0. It is a shame and a pity about Nicole, and Orlando and the show in general. But I hope it delivers something enjoyable for the fans that stick by it. I think it was a good, but odd, decision to resurrect Headless, but I don't think it's going to bring the show back around to its earlier potential. And that is really the saddest part, the lost potential, what *could* have been.
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Well, many shows have been spoiled by writers failing to effectively write couple scenes once they put them together. Maybe I'm just still reeling from disasters on Castle and NCIS.

I found it difficult, at first, to get involved in the discussions about race. It just seemed to be something I had no real experience with, but once it became too obvious to ignore, I made my feelings known. But it was hard at first. Zanza was such a bully, and she just didn't listen to anything anyone said. I can understand people being unwilling to confront her. Delorb, I don't think you realize just how daunting it can be, even in anonymity, to say the truth. You, and several others never shied away from it, while most of us took the easy way out and put them on "ignore.".

It was ugly, indeed. It was also eye opening and educational. But there were posters who just wanted to discuss the show. I wonder if those posters that sat on the sidelines just haven't a clear opinion. Maybe that's a cop out to say, but I would rather like to think that the conversation at least opened their minds to the possibility that racism exists, blatantly, on TV, and we shouldn't be complacent.

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Most people were confused because the bible said that the witnesses were supposed to witness, not stop the apocalypse.


Right...so why did they even go there? They didn't have to go that way. Especially since they messed up the whole horseman of the Apocalypse thing quickly enough. It made NO SENSE from the start to go that way. We should have known then that the writers didn't have a clue as to what direction they were going to go in, but since the first season was so scary as to part of the storyline and so funny with Ichabod adjusting to the modern world in another that it was still worth it.

It makes my blood boil to have to restate this over and over again or to come across someone who was HERE, who READ what was being posted, but who still claim they don't have a clue. Jeez.


Why do you care so much that you're willing to say it makes you blood boil? Jeez is right. You don't HAVE to state anything at all. It's not that important that it should matter than much. It's a TV show...nothing earth changing. And since you were here, you know darned well that there were people promoting every possible situation imaginable and those situations all wound up tangled in knots by the writers who also went in so many directions that nearly nothing was ever clear. And if you think everyone on here had time to read what the posters were also posting on other boards, you have another think coming. I only watch two TV shows regularly and this was one of them and I never went on another board for this show unless I was reading a link someone put up here.

If they are starting over without the focus on the witness angle, I want to see where they go with it. You don't, and that's fine. But please let people who still want to talk about the show do that however they wish. Don't burst a blood vessel over it.

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I agree with you. I was watching because of Orlando Jones. Its the first time I've seen him in a serious role. Before that it was comedies. I was looking forward to Irving being forced into the horsemen role in season 2. Its sad they couldn't write for a character named after the original author of the book.

I've always been confused about the whole Witness thing too. They were chosen and Ichabod was meant to wake up in the present century to meet Abbie. So every event before that was meant to happen. Meeting Katrina, who led him to Washington. Its bizarre because looking at it now it does seem every character was there to push Ichabod forward. You were a witness if you saw the demons in true form. But Abbie and Jenny saw Molock [spelling] so that would make them the witnesses. First they didn't have powers and they were fighting powerful demons. Even Buffy was made stronger for her purpose. Then we find out the Mills sisters have some witch in them. That just leaves Ichabod walking around with a big head. Then we find out they are the only witnesses. Now its when they die their soul travels to another. Not worried why Ichabod didn't pass because technically he was linked to the Horsemen, whose immortal, and put under a sleep spell. But shouldn't that mean Abbie has been reborn? I've heard nothing about an infant in season 4.

The whole witness thing is just stupid. Should have just left it as people coming together to fight the apocalypse. The horsemen, witches, monster and Irving's promising story in season 1 was the best part for me.

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You were a witness if you saw the demons in true form. But Abbie and Jenny saw Molock [spelling] so that would make them the witnesses. First they didn't have powers and they were fighting powerful demons


BINGO! Thank you! The witness thing was mishandled from the beginning and totally unnecessary. Ichabod was all right. Abbie was okay, but I loved Orlando, and I loved the horseman until they turned him into a lovesick wimp.

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When fans really really like someone, they will never see another point a view. That's just the way it is. Crazy? Definitely.
You do realize that that's what you just did, right?

The rest of us presented facts, not our point of view, the POV came from you with your inaccurate statement. But hey, this is IMDb, hypocrisy abounds!

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At the end of the day neither one was a big star. But, at least I knew who Nicole was saw her in a few movies.

I watch a lot of Brit dramas etc - never once did I see Tom.

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That is because he was not a star not even close.

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Well he can personally "kiss my arse." If I wasn't done with the show before, I certainly am now. Just proves Fox executives were trying to unload Nicole's character like have said the last few years.

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The show came out of nowhere like Fringe no big stars at the time, but great chemistry writing and acting, however the suits at network level could not leave them alone.

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At best, Sleepy Hollow was a modest hit when it first came out. That modest success, in my mind, came from the chemistry of Nicole and Tom, plus the original premise of the show. Which was two witnesses trying to stop the upcoming apocalyptic with the 4 Horsemen. The writers, for whatever unknown stupid reason, decided to go against it. I'd like to see this coward admit that part, and stop trying to subtly say Nicole was driving viewers away. He's talking nonsense. Tom Mison will always be someone whose acting will interest me due to my initial love for this show. But he's no huge star. I think they also have Sleepy Hollow mixed up with NCIS or The Walking Dead. Sleepy Hollow has always had more of a cult status than anything else. Sci-Fi has rarely had mass appeal on television, which is why it's always best not to mess with something that works.

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At best, Sleepy Hollow was a modest hit when it first came out. That modest success, in my mind, came from the chemistry of Nicole and Tom, plus the original premise of the show. Which was two witnesses trying to stop the upcoming apocalyptic with the 4 Horsemen. The writers, for whatever unknown stupid reason, decided to go against it. I'd like to see this coward admit that part, and stop trying to subtly say Nicole was driving viewers away. He's talking nonsense.


If you look at the ratings for the show, the first season where Beharie was front and center with Mison, the ratings were the strongest. Averaging 2.6 in the 18-49 demo live (in the high 2's and 3's for the first half of the season, in the low to mid 2's following Necromancer), adding 1 to 2 points for DVR viewings.

As she was sidelined more and more, and the show strayed from it's original premise, the ratings went down. S2 averaged 1.5 (ranging from 1.2 to 2.0), S3 was even worse, averaging .8 ranging from (.6 to 1.1) (and the DVR average ratings went from 1.7 in S1 to 1 in S2 to <1 in S3, so it's not like the viewing just was shifted to DVR)

Correlation doesn't mean causation, of course. So the sidelining of Abbie might not be the reason for the loss of viewers, even though there are sometimes little bumps up for the mid-season Abbie-centric episodes. But the ratings don't provide any support at all for the argument that more Nicole / Abbie meant fewer viewers.

ETA: source of ratings was wikipedia.

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the show strayed from it's original premise


That is where the show lost me. When they got away from the scary Apocalyptic storyline- death returning to Sleepy Hollow to finish what he started as Ichabod put it. The grabber was right at the start when the horseman came riding up on his huge horse, cut Ichabod and Ichabod came back at him and cut off his head. I loved the horseman, before he was Ichabod's whiny former best friend. I like the fish out of water aspects of Ichabod's return to life.

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