I agree with him, he was totally loyal, and Duncan just tried to screw him at the end, after all he did. Though he did offer to pay him something, and it wasn't enough for Archer, but he was right he did all that for Duncan he should get what was agreed or at least close to it. Plus it seemed like they were friends. I felt really bad when he died that way.
shareYeah he got screwed over big time. After everything he did for Duncan and everything he went through Duncan lied and he wasn't going to get his money.
shareI did. He did his job but was offered an out, plus money but chose to stay. He could of taken out the family as revenge but probably thought they were innoncent and wanted Duncan instead.
shareArcher was the only one who had his head on straight and the only character who made sense.
Duncan was the "mastermind" of the most half-cocked kidnapping ever and constantly put everyone in danger over his wife who is going to die anyway. And Sandrine and Kramer were too busy being lovey dovey.
I felt bad for Archer. If Archer had killed Duncan, Sandrine, Kramer and the family at the end, it wouldn't have bothered me.
Really?
If it were you and your family Archer kidnapped and tormented for a payday, would you still feel bad?
SMH.
"Personally I hope they make all the gods black and change it from Valhalla to Valholla!"
Of course not.
But this is a TV show. Its not real life, its characters in a specific, fictional story. And I judge them as just characters.
And Archer was probably the only character who had some brains, was loyal 100% and didn't let personal B.S. blow up the whole mission.
And Archer was probably the only character who had some brains, was loyal 100% and didn't let personal B.S. blow up the whole mission
Yeah, the relationships between the hostage-takers seemed kind of vague. We knew Duncan and Kramer were in-laws. Duncan knew Archer (I think) due to their past military service. Archer knew Sandrine somehow. He vouched for her, and they seemed to have some sort of connection. But towards the end, Archer had no problems turning on Sandrine. All of that didn't totally ring true to me. Or at the least, I wish they would have given more explanation/background about the relationships.
I don't blame Archer for wanting his money, though. That's the whole crazy thing about all of them is that none of them got paid! All that trouble for nothing? I'd be beyond angry!
I don't feel sorry for Archer getting killed. He gets the least sympathy, because he was only in it for the money. You could say that Duncan and Kramer were trying to save their wife/sister. Sandrine sort of had her son threatened and being held over her head. Archer had no mitigating elements like that. That said, all of the hostage-takers were criminals, pricks, and up to no good. I wouldn't have minded if they all were killed at the end.
Edited to add that I really wish Duncan's lawyer father-in-law would have gotten his. He seemed very cold and emotionless the whole season. He just oozed slime-ball. And he seemingly gets off scott-free!
Agreed with everything you said, although Im not overly bothered by the father-in-law because end of the day he was doing it for a 'daugter' that was never truly his. He took her in and hid her knowing his then boss fathered her and then wouldve killed her for a political career. He truly hated the president and I cant blame him. I could understand if he was just in it for money or revenge but like Duncan he just wanted to save her life. NOT condoning it, just sayin.
As for Archer though, there was something nice about his loyalty to Duncan but end of the day still a scumbag. And I knew he was going to die once we found out he killed the nurse. You cant have that happen on TV and he goes scott free. He was toast from that point on, it was only a matter of going to jail or death, although it was a surprise it was his own team that took him down. I cant blame him for feeling duped and if Im being honest he only killed the nurse because Duncan recruited him for a job that was suppose to last 2 days and got out of hand. But the point is Archer probably wouldve killed all those people and not lose a wink of sleep if he got paid. Yeah Im not losing a wink of sleep over him either.
Nicholas Brody 2011-2013, RIP!
@SimplyirreBragg, Yes, you said it. Archer was the obvious professional in the group. And he WAS loyal. Proven by the fact that he let the family go earlier so as not to blow Duncan's deal.
Were it not for Archer's suspicions about Sandrine, they would all likely have been blown up.
The show sucked. The only character I liked throughout the painful experience was Archer. It was like he was fighting against the writers of the script, trying to stop the stupid stuff.
Yea Archer was the only professional and made sense. It made sense that he turned on Sandrine because what the hell she was going to blow them up! I wouldn't care what her reasons were at that point. Still, he was always 100% loyal to Duncan, which appeared to be his downfall.
shareIt is ironic, sandrine who was willing to kill them all and got away scott free running off with Kramer while archer got killed for being loyal. But still I cant remotely feel 'bad' for thugs and who killed innocent people. I think a better justice wouldve been they were both killed.
Nicholas Brody 2011-2013, RIP!
It is ironic, sandrine who was willing to kill them all and got away scott free running off with Kramer while archer got killed for being loyal.
No honor among thieves.
shareNo, didn't feel sorry for him.
shareI DID NOT feel bad for Archer at all. I could never trust him. I knew he was bad news the whole season. Its a shame he had to end up dead but that's his fault, and his loss. Kramer and Sandrine got over the lack of payday. If Archer couldn't accept it then he was bound to be dead.
shareI would rather have Sandrine go than him. He was loyal as far as I remember. Sandrine wasn't.
If you're not taking any steps forward, you're not moving at all.
Do you think Archer wpuld have killed Duncan if he havent pulled the gun on him? He was so hurt at Duncan's betrayal.
I guess Kramer killing him would be bittersweet. I think Archer always thought he was soft.but he got the job done.
I commend Duncan for surrendering but really. I know he was the mastermind but no one would have spilled the beans so why tell on yourself. His wife was a pain the whole time but she still going to take what he had to killed for to save her life. If it was so wrong, she would have said no.
Dr Sanders seemed so hurt when Duncan was just like bye. I kinda wish that Brian went off with the kids, Duncan's wife didnt want to be with him anymore and he gets with Dr. Sanders.
I did. He was the only one who did his job and stuck to the plan as someone said without letting all the person BS get in the way.
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