A documentary should be a non-fictional movie, while Sirius (2013) clearly isn't.
EDIT 2013-04-25: Just saw the film. Indeed, this *is* a documentary. But it's a documentary about Dr. Greer, a UFO believer. There's no real UFO evidence and no DNA report of an alien body.
It was certainly NOT "the greatest story never told".
And you know this is fiction? How?
Oh, by the way, which one's Pink?
Because if they have film that shows evidence of an alien its very strange that they don't come out in public with the alien, but instead they put it in a documentary.
Contact the meida all over the planet and let medical experts look at this alien. It quite simple, but for some reason this NEVER happens.
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The media wouldn't care. They do not investigate anything anymore. They just parrot whatever they're told.
shareWell, I found out about this "documentary" through the media. :-)
The most dangerous bomb is the F-bomb and it requires censorship! All other bombs air live on CNN.
"Well, I found out about this "documentary" through the media. :-) "
LOLOLOL! Exactly.
The delusion is strong, in the conspiracy nerds.
Like I've said many times already, these are people who are genetically predisposed towards extreme enthusiasm regarding anything conspiratorial. If it turns out they are correct, it's nothing more than coincidence. What drives them is not the truth, but the overwhelming desire for their conspiracies to be a reality. That's what they do. That's unfortunately, ALL, they can do.
They are stereotypes, pure and simple.
As they say, even a broken clock tells the correct time twice a day.
Silly conspiracy nerds, get a more productive hobby. You dress badly, smell, are obese, extremely unattractive, and have the social savvy of a kid with a learning disability. But your desperate need to believe you know the "truth"...keeps you warm on those cold winter nights, doesn't it?
Actually, I sort of envy these fools. Not many of us can feel that same sort of drive.
It's sort of the playground for the mentally, socially, physically, stylistically, inept. It makes them feel relevant and important. Like they are in on the "secret", which in their lowly beta-male world, gives them a sense of importance.
This isn't about truth, you desperate nerds. It's about your genetic calling. You are, what you are. Choose a cause. Any cause. It doesn't really matter which one. It's an itch which must be scratched.
...sucks to be a stereotype, and lacking the wit to recognize it.
The entire global media is owned by a handful of people, and they are all controlled by a secret shadow government within the government that the president does not control, but of which is usually a puppet. The news is just their propaganda to keep you under control. I know this sounds crazy but you're meant to think that, because they rely on your disbelief to remain secret.
In fact, the media has reported on aliens and UFOs many times in order to maintain credibility, but all the really conclusive stories were only touched on briefly and then buried so that the short attention span having masses wouldn't really find out. The world you see in the news media is a false reality pulled over your eyes to keep you asleep so you'll continue to be a financial slave to the system. There is a whole other world out there that you're missing.
Don't believe me? Ready to dismiss me as a "conspiracy nut"? I understand your feeling, but bear with me. Two years ago the FBI released documented proof of recovered saucer shaped craft with bodies from Roswell in 1947. You can look at these documents in the FBI vault online. Why hasn't the media talked about it? Answer: They did briefly but you missed it, and now it's been buried. You can find some of it on YouTube, including The Disclosure Project at the National Press Club in 2001, hosted by Dr. Steven Greer, the creator of this documentary, yes documentary, you're discussing. (There are also extra hours and hours of UFO witness testimony from NASA scientists and government/military personnel floating around.)
The NATIONAL PRESS CLUB... This means we're talking about full extra-terrestrial disclosure in front of the entire mainstream media, and all of the reporters went back to their jobs and their bosses told them they weren't allowed to talk about it. Again, the United States is controlled and owned by corporations. Media corporations obey their masters who are hiding in the shadows pulling the strings of CEOs and politicians. They use the media to put this image out there that everything is hunky-dory and you live in the best country in the world, but really you're all being nothing short of hypnotized. Don't you ever wonder why it's so full of lies and bias? That's only the tip of the iceberg when you know about what they're not reporting on at all.
This new documentary Sirius and the FBI files being released are clear evidence that disclosure is coming, but slowly, because it can't be too big of a shock to the masses because mass fear would be counter-productive. The people need to go through a gradual process that involves learning that aliens are not Hollywood monsters, but they are an example of our future as a race. I hope this was helpful to the wise and open-minded. The rest of you can go back to sleep.
Open your eyes but more importantly open your mind. I pity your sheltered existence
CHEF: Hey there children!
STAN: Chef, what would a priest want to put up my butt?
CHEF: Goodbye!
You don't know me AT ALL, so don't start with this Zeitgeist-propaganda, please. Just because I don't think every "truth-documentary" automatically is genuine, it does not mean that I'm narrow-minded.
Maybe you should be more critical and stop being so open-minded that your brain falls out..?
The most dangerous bomb is the F-bomb and it requires censorship! All other bombs air live on CNN.
But don't open your mind so much that your brain falls out.
In shape? I'm in perfect shape! er... round's a shape, isn't it?
Well, you are wrong.
I watched the movie and even in the movie he did not declare that the little 6-inch guy was an alien. In fact, it shows clearly in the movie that the DNA probably belongs to a mutated human.
My opinion? it is not. 6 inch tall, 9 ribs and lived for 6 years without modern health care? I doubt it. In any case, your argument is still false.
It's 10 ribs.
shareI think that is what they essentially did. They had an expert examine and sequence and he said he would put it out on the internet for others to analyze further. You seem to have not been paying attention.
shareMy point is that this is remarkable news, but still there is not much interest. I wonder why that is.
The most dangerous bomb is the F-bomb and it requires censorship! All other bombs air live on CNN.
They said it in the beginning. Now it's all about 9/11 and the aftermath.
Who cares about ET's when the world is falling apart....we have much bigger things to worry about right now.
Eh... I really think the world cares about proof for extra-terrestrial life.
The most dangerous bomb is the F-bomb and it requires censorship! All other bombs air live on CNN.
Not really. When you are worrying about food and shelter which most people are (40% of world population are malnourished/starving) you don't care about these things. Not like it will change anybody's life much. It's interesting academically but that's about it.
shareI'm sorry, but it seems like you're using this as a cop-out for the lack of public interest in this documentary and this little alien. Most of the western worlds media would jump all over this to sell newspapers and get viewers on TV. Have you seen all the trash they show in the news? Does homeless and starving people care more about that? No! What about our activity on Mars? The media covered that a lot. Why would they, if no one cares?
Off course the world cares if there is intelligent life on other planets. Its huge news-material. Even if 50% of the world don't care, the rest of the world does.
The most dangerous bomb is the F-bomb and it requires censorship! All other bombs air live on CNN.
they care about the type that look like in the predator or alien movies. They don't care about a 6-inch mummy that doesn't look too special.
You seem to be out of touch with the current interest in this matter.
In any case, there was no conclusion whether it was or was not alien. So why would the newsmedia care that much. They would have to say - a 6inch dessecated corpse may be of an alien origina but then again it may not be...great news.
I am very much "in touch" with the current interest, we just see different reasons for the lack of it.
Yes, there is no conclusion whether this is an alien or not. This have to be established first by those who presents the claim that it actually is. If this responsibility or burden of proof is shifted to a critic, the fallacy of appealing to ignorance is committed.
There are thousands of claims in regards of aliens and UFOs and most are disproved. This is just another "we have a dead alien"-case without any scientific proof. THIS is why no one cares. It's not starvation or being homeless that causes the lack of interest. It's the lack of proof, yet again in a case like this, that causes the lack of interest.
The most dangerous bomb is the F-bomb and it requires censorship! All other bombs air live on CNN.
Well...duh...I already mentioned the lack of conclusion one what or the other as one of the reasons.
Read my previous comments again.
Have you read your other comments?
Your main focus was:
Now it's all about 9/11 and the aftermath.
Who cares about ET's when the world is falling apart....we have much bigger things to worry about right now.
Not really. When you are worrying about food and shelter which most people are (40% of world population are malnourished/starving) you don't care about these things. Not like it will change anybody's life much. It's interesting academically but that's about it.
We were talking about people. Then you started talking about media.
I answered why the media are not covering it. Then you go on as if I didn't answer and repeat what I had just said.
If people care, then the media cares. It's how they make a living.
The most dangerous bomb is the F-bomb and it requires censorship! All other bombs air live on CNN.
It's somewhat true but not entirely. Media can technically make you care about anything. It's just a question of how it's packaged. That's called spin and the media does that.
shareIf they can make more people care, then why don't they? There are already hundreds of millions that care and the academics care, so why don't make everybody care and earn a fortune on this case?
The most dangerous bomb is the F-bomb and it requires censorship! All other bombs air live on CNN.
they have better ways to make money than that. this is nothing.
not to mention their agenda is different.
What is their agenda?
The most dangerous bomb is the F-bomb and it requires censorship! All other bombs air live on CNN.
If you are asking out of genuine interest you can probably make your conclusions on your own. Just look at who owns the media. hint: 6 corporations own 90% of the media in the US.
shareI know this, but opinions of their agenda are divided. Some say "new world order", others say they are controlled by the governments to trick the people etc.
What is your opinion?
The most dangerous bomb is the F-bomb and it requires censorship! All other bombs air live on CNN.
They are really one and the same. The new world order already controls the governments. it is just hidden and not obvious. they want to make it official so they don't need to work in the shadows.
shareIf this discussion is turning into a conspiracy-theory about New World Order, Illuminati etc. then we will never reach a mutual agreement.
Let's just leave it at that.
The most dangerous bomb is the F-bomb and it requires censorship! All other bombs air live on CNN.
So you think this type of thing can't happen?
Conspiracy definition - Agreement between two or more persons to commit an unlawful act or to accomplish a lawful end by unlawful means.
It happens all the time AND has happened numerous times in history.
Secondly, I don't really care if we reach a mutual agreement. You just asked me a question and I answered.
bye
A "Conspiracy theory" is a term which is mostly based on nonsense and serious lack of evidence.
There are real conspiracy theories, but of all that has surfaced in the last 50 years, almost every one of them has been known to be BS. Still, the same type of people keep on believing them.
Off course you don't care. Thats why you have followed this thread for several days and written several posts. Beyond that, I have never asked you a question to begin with. I simply stated an opinion and we went from there.
Bye!
The most dangerous bomb is the F-bomb and it requires censorship! All other bombs air live on CNN.
Obviously there are many theories for an event that is unexplained. And obviously most will be proven wrong eventually as there is only one real reason. That is a truth that even the least intelligent person will understand.
If I were you I'd check the dictionary for the definition of the word conspiracy and the word theory. A theory is just something that is unproven. It doesn't mean it's based on nonsense. There are just more plausible and less plausible theories.
For instance the 911 official theories have already been rejected by for one the FAA's own evidence.
Check out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gz8cdXyRnlY
Most international incidents are conspiracy. The gulf of Tonkin incident is conspiracy fact already. Operations Northwoods is conspiracy fact. The list goes on and on and on.
I don't believe in theories I believe in conspiracy facts. If you believe in "official stories" you are the one believing in "BS" theories.
"I know this, but opinions of their agenda are divided. Some say "new world order", others say they are controlled by the governments to trick the people etc.
What is your opinion?"
This is not question I take it? Maybe you should try phrasing your "opinions" differently in future. For starters without question marks at the end...
Dear lord. Official stories? 9/11 has been debunked by endless unofficial sources.
The most dangerous bomb is the F-bomb and it requires censorship! All other bombs air live on CNN.
I misunderstood. I thought you ment at the beginning of the discussion.
The most dangerous bomb is the F-bomb and it requires censorship! All other bombs air live on CNN.
no lol.
shareIf you diligently watched this documentary, you would know that on two separate occasions (in May of 2001 & just after their skeleton findings from Stanford) they DID reach out to media... and no one wanted anything to do with it.
shareWell, to be honest, documentaries these days have strayed from that concept. Even if it's mostly interviews, it's up to the film-makers what is left in the cutting room.
shareI'm amazed at the hostility toward this DOCUMENTARY. You don't have to take Greer's word for it 100%. That's the point of him assembling hundreds of eye-witnesses who've worked for the government, military, and airlines. You can say "Greer is a scam-artist" if you'd like but what about the declassified government documents, government witnesses, and all other witnesses. Hell... there's so many videos online of extraterrestrial craft in the skies. EVEN IF all those "UFOs" are just covert-military craft, Greer is still right in saying the government has been hiding/suppressing alternative energy sources/systems. But I know these craft DO exist since they've been witness far earlier than human's ability to build such a machine (thousands of miles per hour, turns on a dime, etc).
I'm a skeptic and yet, Greer has presented enough evidence that I know what he presents is fact. I'm skeptical of his contact protocols since I'd have to experience them myself to say definitively whether it's absolute. But ETs exist, alternative energy sources exist, and hopefully more people wake up to the obvious.
Sutter, the question was about the film as a document, not whether its claims hold water. Since Greer et. al. clearly produced it with an agenda, and support this agenda with subjective viewpoints and unsubstantiated belief in cover-ups, it begs the question.
It doesn't matter if he's right or wrong, it just means it's not a documentary.
A documentary can have an agenda - in fact most documentaries do have an agenda. You are wrong about the criteria.
sharePretty much every film has a rationale, documentaries included. It's the rest of the statement that disqualifies Sirius as a document. Sirius is a mixture of fact and fancy. I don't think anyone seriously disputes that. It's not a documentary, no big deal. Enjoy it if that's your cup of tea.
shareA documentary can be about anything as long as it's not scripted acting.
It can be about somebody who talks about fancy not fact which you can argue is the case as long as they are not acting a script.
I agree there was more speculation than fact but that doesn't mean it's not a documentary.
Darn, I thought a few days would be enough time for you to re-read what you'd written here. You might have said "oh, now I see what they're saying."
The knowledge that Greer has been giving talks about these things for years, secured financing for the project, and has a definite monetary interest in promoting these views might be a tip-off. It's not unscripted. To be fair, Greer's been doing it so long that he has the pitch down like any good salesman and doesn't need much scripting. I'd say Sirius is less a documentary or fiction film than it is feature-length infomercial.
Honestly, this topic has lost it's appeal. Someone asked why Sirius is called a documentary and I chimed in that, not only are documentaries losing any sense of objectivity lately, but this one doesn't even seem to qualify under that label. Call it anything that strikes one's fancy.
I was going to say the same about you actually :)
1) monetary interest doesn't go against a piece being a documentary
2) a lot of documentaries actually promote views of the creators. otherwise there is not much motivation to make one.
3) objectivity is subject to interpretation here depending what you thought the documentary was about. i think it was fairly objective as it was stated the evidence is not really there. the guy is obviously on a quest. whether he will prove anything or not remains to be seen.
I'd give you it's weak as a documentary as most of what is shown is not really conclusive and is still in speculative field. but it is a documentary regardless about his quest. if you expected it to be about something else then the problem lies with you not with the film.
I don't want to start a fight, but Stephen Greer (the guy upon whom the movie focuses) has been around the block.
He was on Larry King. He supposedly has briefed senators and given presentations to politicians.
Point being, there hasn't been a coverup--whether or not you believe the guy.
What do you mean there HASN'T been a cover-up?! There certainly has been and that much is plainly clear.
People need to get their focus off of Greer and onto the hundreds of reputable witnesses of events, the others who are pioneering (or reigniting the flame of) alternative/new energy sources, and the ridiculous amount of overall evidence that there's stuff in the sky that violates our laws of physics whether it's alien or black-ops.
To be fair there was no conclusion one way or another whether the DNA was human or not. It had a lot of non-matching pieces and the analyst said that this is very unlikely to be due to a mutation within the human species. He said it's closer than chimp DNA would be but it was definitely not 100% match. So it is most likely another species or an alien of some sort (perhaps hybrid).
Incidentally the DNA analysis of the creature that accosted somebody (I forget his name) in the mountains of Washington state turned out to be a combination of mostly dolphin and turtle with some additional unknown component.
What is this dolphin turtle monster story? Would love to see the details behind all this.
shareLook up Jonathan Reed on youtube or web search
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-M2h4QkGnw
Look up Jonathan Reed on youtube or web search
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-M2h4QkGnw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEVTy32h3ic
A documentary is successful when it uncovers the root of the phenomenon it describes. Gasland does that, Bowling for Columbine did it. without having heard of Greer before, I was intrigued by the first few minutes of the docu. The military-industrial complex theme seemed to go into the right direction. There is some obvious plotting and scheming in the branch and a lot of secrecy.
However, then it turns out everything is about aliens and free energy (one of the more interesting segments). In fact this docu is about a lot of things, with the main theme being "alien life"; I felt it was watered down by the lack of focus, it had no real point to make and Dr. Greer is a poster-boy for creating disbelief in his own movement. Someone who takes people out into the desert to chant down alien spaceships is clearly a nutjob, no matter how he performs on other occasions.
I believe in alien life. I even believe in occasional visitors and interstellar travel. But these "facts" don't come across as consistent and they don't root in anything and lead to nothing. Would the world be less informed without "Sirius"? I doubt it, siriously.
why are you posting that to me as reply? I never denied it is a bad documentary. I was only arguing it is a documentary.
sharehttp://www.ufocasebook.com/2013/siriusdebunked.html
Even UFO researchers (see also: Believers) say that the film is a hoax designed to turn a buck for the guy it's about.
They even say that the film does REAL DAMAGE to the "UFO Truth Movement".
How's that for "not a documentary"?
I mean, I know this is like 2 years late to your post... But, you gotta feel a bit proud about it, regardless, ha ha.
All those people yelling at you that it's a documentary and to open your mind... And it turns out... THEY'RE the idiots. World never ceases to amaze, does it? :D
Nice of you to call folks "idiots" for believing in something that looks to hold its water pretty well... especially 2 years after the fact.
shareYeah, it holds its water so well that it's been debunked to hell and back and proven that it only exists to make the guy who created it a quick buck.
Debunked.
As in, a hoax.
I call people who believe in hoaxes "idiots". What else can you call people so gullible and so lazy that they could've even bother to do independent research on something they believe so deeply in?
Blind Idiocy, I guess we could call it. Or maybe Intentional Idiocy. Whatever it is, it's stupidity, pure and simple.
"A documentary should be a non-fictional movie, while Sirius (2013) clearly isn't.
EDIT 2013-04-25: Just saw the film. Indeed, this *is* a documentary. But it's a documentary about Dr. Greer, a UFO believer. There's no real UFO evidence and no DNA report of an alien body.
It was certainly NOT "the greatest story never told"."
Exactly why people need to watch something before commenting.