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How much oil was required to make this film?

posted 10 years ago by ringa46
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We are always being preached at by leftists about our "addiction to oil."

This they do while driving cars, using air conditioners, using electricity (which btw, is generated by oil/coal) and using products that contain plastic.

The DVD/Blu-ray you are viewing the film on is made of some form of plastic (oil).

The keyboard you are furiously typing on to tell me I'm wrong, is MADE OF PLASTIC (oil).

I'm sick of these hypocrites preaching to us how we have to stop using oil, while they go merrily on using all the oil they wish.

It's only okay for them, it's just not okay for us.

We have to give up OUR cars, OUR air conditioning, OUR plastics, on and on and on.

Meanwhile, they live in mansions, drive Cadillacs, fly Lear jets, and have no problem buying that big screen tv which has a LOT of plastic in it.

How much oil was used to make this film?

Hypocrites, every single one of them.

[–] benjaminwg 9 years ago

You're an idiot. None of that is the point of this film. It's about choices, not banning oil. Demand-side mandates are where it's at, not supply-side ones. Maybe you should watch it or read Energy Victory before you spout your nonsense off. And by the way, one of the guys in the film won a Nobel Prize for figuring out how to make everything you mentioned from methanol. There are also a bunch of moderates and conservatives in this film. Zubrin and Korin are *not* leftists.

[–] timlin-4 9 years ago

So what "choices" did the film makers make, are they or are they not above-average consumers of fossil fuels

[–] MickeyONeill 9 years ago

@ringa46

Seek an education, please.

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[–] snoop1123 9 years ago

Did you just go in this movie with a closed mind with rebuttals already in place?

What other choice do the movie makers have but to use plastic products? Everyone is aware plastic is petroleum based- heck it's even mentioned in the film. I'm actually at a loss as to what you are carrying on about and how this has gone over your head.

[–] obryadk 9 years ago

Did you even watch the documentary? They mentioned that oil is used in almost everything...that is not a secret. They also mentioned that people are unlikely to give up their current vehicle for electric cars. That was not the point at all.

The point was to show how we got to where we are, and illustrate some possible paths we could take to start moving away from oil dependence. In fact, one of the most interesting points was the fact that millions of cars in the US are flex fuel (can use 100% gasoline to 100% ethanol, or any mix of the two) and cars that are not can be updated to use ethanol for less than $200.

Even ethanol isn't perfect, but it is a start. Solar / wind / nuclear power alongside electric cars would be the ideal solution, but that isn't a practical short-term goal.

[–] melinda2001 9 years ago

Even ethanol isn't perfect, but it is a start.

No it's not. Ethanol is made from corn and other products which are in tern made from fertilizers made from oil. The energy used to create a gallon of ethanol with the same energy content as a gallon of gasoline is approximately the same as contained by that gasoline. It's a shell game that only benefits the people involved in the process and takes food out of the global market, driving up food prices and increasing starvation in poorest parts of the world.

Also, solar and wind power are doing just fine and are often competitive in favorable locations, so there's no reason not to use it now if you're in one of those locations.

[–] Inconel 8 years ago

Guess what, it also takes oil to find oil and process it into usable products. Furthermore, farmers are going to be using fertilizer for corn whether or not it's used to make ethanol.
Finally, only the starch portion is used to make ethanol not the entire kernel, the remaining solids is a superior cattle feed.

[–] melinda2001 8 years ago

The starch contains most of the energy, so just like saying "follow the money", you need to "follow the energy". Feeding it to cattle is one of the most wasteful and environmentally destructive uses possible, probably second only to making explosives and using them to destroy competitor country's productivity. But that's a distraction from my main point which is that the entire ethanol industry is a big energy shell game which only profits the producers to the extent that they can extract government subsidies, while the waste and suffering caused in the process is immense. The only situation in which ethanol production might be a good idea is when you can produce it from plant matter that would otherwise be pure waste.

[–] laffeaux 9 years ago

Apparently you could not be bothered to watch the movie, or you's know how off base your comment is.

The movie was about the "monopoly of oil." How consumers are given a single choice at the pump: oil. The argument of the movie is that current technology allows for oil, ethanol, methanol, and electricity to run cars; however, consumers are not given the choice which fuel they wish to use due to the monopoly that is held by oil companies. If consumers had a choice the better option(s) would do well and prices would reflect the actual costs. Currently oil is a heavily subsidized monopoly in the US. And that's the theme of the movie - maybe you should watch it and learn something instead of jumping on your soapbox.

[–] enigma-lake 9 years ago

You didn't even watch it. Hahahaha