But since I'm such a nice guy, I'll say it again - suspension of disbelief.
Yes, and let us look at Stranger Things, set in the early 1980s in Suburban America. It has an alternate reality, a monster, an evil government organization and psychic powers but don't you think it would hurt that suspension of disbelief that this happened to some kids in 1983 if "Let it go" sung by Idina Menzel started to play on the radio?
A bizarre comparison, since Stranger Things worked specifically because it was a love letter to the movies of that era. Were it not, it wouldn't have stood as anything other than schlock. In fact, in many respects, it was simply an amalgamation of the best of the movies that inspired it.
However, I might be inclined to suspend disbelief that MP3's are available in 1983 given an engaging context for such a thing. Something you clearly could never do.
I think you're deliberately being obtuse. Stranger Things was a love letter to films of the era but you don't realize Penny Dreadful was a love letter to the literature of the Victorian era, that was the major selling point of the show. It too, was a love letter to the fictions of it's era.
I have no illusions about such things. I have no reason to believe Hobbits existed, or that they actually ever reached a location called Mount Doom to dispose of a ring that through its destruction would kill an evil sorcerer. Moreover, I happen to know a thing or two about science, so I recognize that movies like the Core, Armageddon and the Day After Tomorrow are completely ridiculous. I like them anyway, purely because it's occasionally entertaining to watch the world explode. I happen to like the Walking Dead, but even the idea of zombies as they are portrayed in popular media falls flat on its face if you happen to have the slightest knowledge of human anatomy.
Your lack of self awareness on this topic is staggering. Your position is a text book contradiction. You're outright stating that something that is for all intents and purposes impossible in reality is perfectly acceptable on the one hand, but it's unfathomable to stretch the limits of credulity regarding some other aspect of reality on the other.
You clearly have no real love or respect for the genre. And you have no idea what it is all about when you confuse the presence of anachronisms to zombies. That's supernatural element vs. anachronism.
"This is set in 1966" is easy to accept. "This is set in 1966 with supernatural creatures" all right, a ripple in reality but you accept it. But if you abruptly go from "This is set in 1966 and supernatural creatures are real... Oh, and everyone has smart phones" that last part might be the thing that finally pulls the audience out of the story. Why even bother have it set in 1966 at that point? You might as well just make up your own noir reality like the one used for Tim Burton's Batman movies. If you already know the reality is not meant to be a real specific time period it makes all that easier to accept but once you claim it is 1966 but with supernatural beings running around that most people don't know about, that's what the viewer intends to see. It should feel like the thing was actually made in 1966- be it film or novel. And this is also true with a story set in 1891 England.
Why are you defending this great insult to Penny Dreadful- which the creators PRIDED themselves on for it's historical content? Have you seen the book they published talking about the painstaking detail that went into the historical inaccuracies? You're defending something that would have ruined the show for most viewers.
Lord of the Rings = High fantasy. This means it's a whole made up world and all things are possible within the logic of that reality as dictated by the author.
The Dresdne Files = Urban fantasy. Despite the presence of the supernatural such as wizards, dragons, fae, ect... the general reality is the world as we know it today. The general public does not know about the supernatural. This is standard in high fantasy.
Steam Punk = Victorian era with modern elements and sometimes fantastical elements, and not at all historically accurate.
Historical urban fantasy / Historical fantasy = The general public does not know about the supernatural and the setting historically accurate save for the presence of magick and or supernatural beings existing in secret. This is what you get with Penny Dreadful or Stranger Things or Let the Right one In or Woman in Black.
Alternate history = A drastic change is made to the real world continuity of our pop culture or history as we know it. Example: Ano Dracula, a world where Dracula married Queen Victoria.
It doesn't, not entirely. That's exactly what makes it fantasy.
No, that is NOT what makes it a fantasy. There are several kinds of fantasy. It's an historical fantasy meaning the time period is exactly what Victorian England is like. This is an historical urban fantasy meaning the era is exactly as it should be aside from the fantastical / supernatural elements. It's not Steampunk. It's not "Alternate history." It's fantasy set in an historical setting so the historical part of it is meant to be in tact, in fact the show's creators PRIDED themselves on this fact so what you are defending is a deep insult to the show, not a defense of it. If you don't know the genre, don't define it.
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cleverwebhandle
8 years ago
if "Let it go" sung by Idina Menzel started to play on the radio?
I already answered this. Quit asking the same question in increasingly absurd ways.
Stranger Things was a love letter to films of the era but you don't realize Penny Dreadful was a love letter to the literature of the Victorian era
If you think the thing that makes Stranger Things interesting is remotely similar to the thing that draws people to Penny Dreadful, we know who's actually being deliberately obtuse. Anything set in a specific time does not immediately qualify as being a love letter to it's era. Penny Dreadful doesn't fit this category any more than the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen does.
Yes, even if "they prided themselves on XYZ", that isn't at all similar to Stranger Things. There is no comparison to be made here. At all.
That's supernatural element vs. anachronism.
Your problem becomes more frivolous with every post. Now it's simply "I don't like anachronisms, and anyone that does doesn't respect fantasy."
There are several kinds of fantasy.
As long as you say it is, you mean.
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