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So who killed the #1 Crime Boss in the beginning?


Was it the cops who planned the death of the #1 Crime boss, I watched the part again when another car pulled over next to the boss, but I could not recognize that person.

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In my opinion either by the cops or the guy killed by our guy on the bridge last part of the movie

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I don't think the movie answers the question of who really killed the no.1

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Spoilers ahead.

I think Seok's death is the beginning part of taking the Goldmoon down by the police(Chief Kang). After his death he was able to cause fit between the heir bosses.

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(SPOILER warning)

I'm pretty sure it was Jung Su-Ki (the Vice chairman), you know, who tried to whack his 'running mate' Ja-seong but ended up getting whacked by him?
He was the kind of guy who craved for power, and he knew that he would be the successor if the boss was killed. So this gives him motive to do it.
We do see the other two probable candidates talk about this but they seem to suspect each other of ordering the hit.
The police wouldn't want to get their hands dirty. They just want to create some instability within the organisation and indirectly influence the power-hungry mobsters do the dirty work for them.

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I agree with Sano, i get the impression it was the vice chairman, he was init to be president all along you see how he SPOILERS went straight Jeong once he was boss. I think he manipulated the whole thing

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Good points by Sano and Kieranimt.
It wasn't the other two running because both honestly didn't know and thought it was the other. The vice chair was the only other that would have been in the running.
The vice chair was also working/willing to work with the cops so he could definitely have been influenced by the cops' plans.
Also, the vice chair showed he is a back stabber when he tried to whack Ja Seong.
Looks like he is the most likely candidate.

Or is really was an accident.

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*spoiler*

Its easy, those cop did that. You know how can they sacrifice their own team, sook mu and song jin ho that easy. They want to create some chaos, but failed.

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i too, feel that the cops ordered the hit.

If you really look into the movie, it was Chief Kang that orchestrated the entire downfall of GoldMoon. The cops most likely used the Vice Chairman to order the hit on the head boss.

Chief Kang was no prince. He didn't care at all for his employees. I also get this feeling that he knew that Ja-Sung was going to turn and go all in as a gangster. In essence he sacrificed himself so that Ja-Sung could get to the top. It was all orchestrated by the Chief.

This also has to deal with conspiracy theory. It's not a secret anymore that law enforcement and gang activity have cozy relationships.

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I don't think chief Kang was capable of such noble acts. Like you said, he showed that he had no concern for them so long as they further his plans. That is why Ja-Sung decides to off him and the other police head to completely destroy his old identity. That's why Kang says "What a twist." when he saw the head Yanbian hobo, and why he tried to fight back with his gun. I would say that he wanted to control Ja-Sung as long as he can because that's the person he is, but he didn't anticipate Ja-Sung actually would choose the gangster life, since he didn't/wasn't sure of why Jung spared Ja-Sung.

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It had to definitely be the cops in cooperation with the vice chairman. The two leading heir genuinely thought it was either on of them, as shown in the prison visit scene. One was honestly upset about the death of the crime boss and was even questioning it all the way until he was behind bars, while the other was too care free to device such a plan that would cause so much chaos.

The death of the crime boss was too good of a fortune for the cops for it to be done by anybody else. I think the notion is even more apparent when it's revealed they had cooperation with the vice chairman. I just think the reason they never really revealed it is because it was never important to the plot, just the havoc that ensues after.

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I feel like it was just a random accident.

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It definitely was not a random accident. If you replay the scene, the other car just sat there waiting in another left turn lane and deliberately did not make the turn when the light turned green.

I also subscribe to the theory that the Vice-Chair in conjuction with the police ordered the hit on the Chairman.

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It HAD to be an accident. There's no way they could have coordinated that. Too many variables and too much left to chance. Maybe the car that didn't turn, saw the truck coming.

I don't love her.. She kicked me in the face!!

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I think that was intentionally left undisclosed due to the sequel possibility. The director already wrote the whole trilogy script for this story and New World is the mid part.

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If New World is the mid part of a trilogy, can you tell me what movie is the first part, please?

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It's not made into a movie yet and exists only as a script.

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I have the same opinion as sano_ani, kieranlmt, and sehlee.

Last 3 films seen: Tazza 8/10, New World 9/10, and The Collector 7/10

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Death = ordered by = reason
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Rat (the guy in a barrel) = 1# crime boss Seok = a witness who was planning to testify against Seok. Killing him would mean freedom for Seok.
Seok = the powerless Vice Chair = to trigger Kang's plan
Go teacher = Jung = mole
Henchman = Jung = mole
Jung = Jung-gu = revenge for 'betraying' Jung-gu to the police
Ja-sung's wife (almost) = Jung-gu = part of taking down Jung and his people
Jung-gu = Ja-sung = to avenge Jung's death
The powerless Vice Chair = Ja-sung = to erase his past
Kang's boss = Ja-sung = to erase his past
Kang = Ja-sung = to erase his past








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Death = ordered by = reason --------------------------------

Rat (the guy in a barrel) = Ja-sung = to trigger the events
Seok = Ja-sung = to trigger Kang's plan
Go teacher = Jung = mole
Henchman = Jung = mole
Jung = Jung-gu = revenge for 'betraying' Jung-gu to the police
Ja-sung's wife (almost) = Jung-gu = part of taking down Jung and his people
Jung-gu = Ja-sung = to eliminate competition and any connections to the manipulations of the police
The powerless Vice Chair = Ja-sung = to erase his past
Kang's boss = Ja-sung = to erase his past
Kang = Ja-sung = to erase his past

All in all, Ja-sung orchestrated it all from the beginning.

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