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shareHey Endgame,
Your statement is misleading at best and condescending in its implication. This TV series was actually produced for the Brigham Young Television (BYU-TV) channel which is available through cable and satellite distributors. It is my understanding that Brigham Young University (BYU) has a film school or film department which produces a variety of productions which include religious as well as commercial content.
Yes, BYU was founded and supported by the Church of Latter Day Saints (also known as LDS as well as the Mormons), but why is that a problem? Notre Dame is related to the Catholic Church, Susquehanna University the Lutheran Church, Harvard College originally trained Congregationalist and Unitarian clergy, Penn State University was founded in 1855 by Commonwealth of Pennsylvania as a Farmers' High School. All of these and many other colleges and universities have film schools and film departments which produce films on many diverse subjects - not just religion and not just farming.
Your statement that this TV series was "Bought and paid content from the Church of Latter Day Saints" is also wrong concerning just who bought and paid for it. Actually, the series is sold to cable and satellite distributors who sell subscriptions to their customers. Assuming you did not steal the service, then you and I as subscribers have actually bought and paid for the content.
While I am not a member of the LDS, I have enjoyed a number of film productions related to the BYU film folks. I could understand if you said you did not like this TV series for reasons related to its qualities - we all have different tastes. But you simply state that it is related to the LDS Church and imply that it is therefore not worthy of anyone's consideration, and that is just wrong, and you are missing the barn by about ten yards.
While I have not finished the series as yet, it has been a good show and one you can watch with your children and grandchildren and not have to worry about being embarrassed by cursing or gratuitous sex scenes. It is like watching TV and films from when I was a youth. I do not know about you, but I would be most uncomfortable watching shows with vulgar language when my mother was present, and the same thing applies to watching such shows with my young ones.
This show is good family oriented entertainment. The acting and the writing are both very good, and the story is an entertaining mystery with good characters. No, it is not filled with crashes, chase scenes, robots, or other mind numbing things; it is a plot driven and character driven series well worth watching.
Best wishes,
Dave Wile
Dave, I think your reaction is far too strong. It would be appropriate to correct the inaccuracies but there was nothing subjective stated.
I disagree that it is good for the family. The show gives the message that it is okay for kids to steal and withhold evidence.
I was an active Mormon back at the time when they would not allow Black people to be members. I know one guy that was so light-skinned that he did not look Black but they would not allow him to graduate in the priesthood since they determined he had Black in his ancestry.
The Mormons were real jerks to me when I was active as a teenager. There are plenty of good things to be said about them but my personal experiences were not the best.
Boys and girls working together as shown in this show is very different from my experience. Mormons keep boys and girls separate so that they do not learn how to develop healthy friendships as shown in this show. My life would have been very different if the church had helped me to develop healthy friendships when I was young.
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Hey Sam,
You obviously have a problem with the Mormon Church and your participation in it. Yep, the Mormon Church certainly has discriminated against Blacks. I might also point out that is also true of most other churches of today. The fact is, we have moved on past our slavery days and simply looking back and living in the past is a certain path to more anguish.
I am not a Morman, and never was. People in my own church have been real jerks to me also, but I suspect I have done my share of being a real jerk. Somewhere along the way we have to let the past be past and start living anew. If I choose to dislike every Black, Lutheran, Mason, rich person, or whatever simply because I was mistreated by one or more some years ago, I am likely to miss out on some very good personal relationships by some of those people today.
You need to stop picking this particular TV show apart because of your personal dislike of the Mormon Church. You are missing a good show, and you make yourself appear petty.
I may not be Mormon, but I do have a few Mormon friends who I value very dearly, and they seem to share most of the same personal values I do as a humanist.
Best wishes,
Dave Wile
You are ignoring the part where I said that the show justifies the theft and withholding of evidence. Instead you call me petty but I am sure that law enforcement would strongly disagree. I did not make a personal attack such as that.
The original post said nothing critical, you just interpreted it as being critical. If you continue to respond with such strength to a mere implication then you will always get into arguments.
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Sam - Sorry that the LDS church members weren't kind to you as they are supposed to be. But I feel that I need to correct some errors. African Americans have always been allowed to be members but you're completely right in them not being allowed to hold the priesthood. Personally I was very glad when that was stopped.
As for boys and girls not being allowed to be friends, I've never heard of that. My best friend growing up was a boy. And I had several other boys growing up that were also my good friends (along with girls of course). My mother also had several friends growing up that were also boys.
Just to point out that your feelings may just be your perception of how things were. My brother had come out and said that my parents were horrible to him growing up. Apparently they wouldn't talk to him about anything. He's only 3 years younger then me so we pretty much grew up in the same family. My memories of the same time period is that he made it very apparent to everyone that he didn't want anyone to talk to him. If you tried you got grunts and one word answers. Or you got put down and made fun of by him. He made it very clear that he didn't want to have anything to do with any of us.
But people are sometimes jerks so your perception may be correct also.
I said "Mormons keep boys and girls separate". The boys are (were) in Boy Scouts and the girls had separate activities. The only time they had activities together were dances.
Yes, they treated me differently, probably because our family was on (I forget what it is called when you get free food). The boys really teased me a lot and the ringleader was the Bishop's son. The only thing the Bishop did about it was to tell me not to run from them. Another Bishop's son was in on it. One of his brothers did get upset with his brother. That is the only time I am aware of of a Mormon doing something good about that problem.
Sorry, I misunderstood. You're right the boys have a separate program from the girls but as for separate activities, that would have been your ward's or stake's decision. Growing up we had tons of non-dance combined activities. My kids have the same thing. There are service projects and combined activities not to mention youth conference.
Sorry that the kids teased you about being on Church Welfare. My husband had the same problem in his ward when his family was on Church Welfare. It's not fair and not kind. I work with the families in my ward that are on it and my kids are kind of aware who is since we raise chickens and take our extra eggs to them. If I ever found out that one of my kids was teasing someone about any kind of welfare, they would be in a ton of trouble from me.
I did not intend to imply a direct connection between church welfare and the teasing. It is more a matter of the adults not wanting to do much and allowing the kids to tease. My mother never went to church; I do not know why, I can only assume.
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shareDave,
Given the nasty tone that so many threads on this site take, your measured and rational response is like a breath of fresh air. Although a lot of Internet interaction could make one feel otherwise, there is still decency in the world - even in national politics, if you know where to look for it.
Hey Osgrath,
Those are some very kind words you said, and I thank you for them. I have long complained about how the anonymity of the intern seems to bring out the worst in folks hiding behind an internet alias. The lack of civility evidenced in so many posts is downright depressing, and I thought the original post was downright demeaning to the Mormon Church, the folks who made this film, and we who enjoyed watching it. I tried to temper my response with reasonable statements supporting why I found the original post so demeaning.
Again, I thank you for the kind words.
Best wishes,
Dave Wile
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