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So...telephones didn't exist back in '71?


Y'know, when he was at the pub having a pint...could have asked the bartender "Hey, can I use your phone"

Casually call the POLICE/ARMY and arrange for a pickup point.

A plothole I do NOT FORGIVE.

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concerning everything about making intelligent decisions to get back to a safe area.

In reality, the "non-safe" areas were a LOT smaller than the safe areas. When he was at the pub, he only had to keep strolling northward and walk into any open police station or hospital to be "safe". Or just keep strolling.

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When he was at the pub, he only had to keep strolling northward and walk into any open police station or hospital to be "safe".
You may be right, but Hook doesn't know that. He has no idea where he is and may well not have any money on him, as he is wearing given clothes. He's also been told to just stay where he is at the pub and really is not sure whether the patrons are friend or foe. So he's really unlikely to ask the bar man can he phone the local army base or constabulary.🐭

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He was given a briefing at the beginning telling him this. I've never been to Ireland or NI, never mind these neighborhoods & I knew it. He had almost every reason to know the patrons were not foe. The kid said "Brilliant" (or something like that) when he realized the guy was a British soldier. The kid bragged about his (father or uncle, I forget which) fighting for the UK in (WWII was it). The kid got them through blockades. The kid took him to the pub. The kid obviously has the run of the pub. The patrons didn't give Hook any notice.
So, all you have is


The reason our hero does dumb things is that our hero is pretty dumb. He was thinking about breakfast during the morning briefing. He doesn't know how to keep track of direction / compass points. He doesn't really pick up on most of what people say. He's just dumb.

So, OK, the hero is dumb. As I said, a notable demerit for the film.


Strawman: I never said he should use the phone. I would have thanked the kid, stood in the door, watched the kid go inside & then sauntered off in the direction I considered to be North. Simple.
Strawman 2: Money? Did I say he should catch a cab? 

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He was given a briefing at the beginning telling him this.
LOL! Of course! The new recruit should remember everything he gets in his first briefing and you've never been to Northern Ireland but you could do better. Let's not forget too, that he's been chased around the streets of Belfast, in a blind panic, being shot at and also had the crap kicked out of him, by an unruly mob. Is this comedy hour? And yes, according to you he should have put complete trust in the kid, he's known for the best part of oh, may be 30 minutes.

Then strawman, you whack in a quote in relation to what, I don't know. It's not mine and it doesn't seem to be yours. I'm supposed to be impressed?? I'm just RATFLMAO!

Money and phone? The OP referred to these (look at the thread title), I just thought I'd toss them in in case he was still in the building, seeing the thread was still young.

I love reading the wistful musings of can do armchair warriors such as yourself. Laughter really is the best medicine.

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In reality, the "non-safe" areas were a LOT smaller than the safe areas.

But do bad people only ever stick to their non-safe areas... or are they able to walk around and go between them? Maybe catch him while he's in a safe area...?

He was given a briefing at the beginning telling him this. I've never been to Ireland or NI, never mind these neighborhoods & I knew it.

And with just some basic training you think you'd be perfectly capable of keeping all relevant information in mind and at the forefront of thought, while being shot at and chased all over the place in unfamiliar territory by people who want to seriously *beep* you up, would you?

He was pretty much a kid, scared witless and clearly not able to think straight.

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well that was a vry long time ago ok b4 any 1 but old peeps cud remeber..... so u dont know maybe there was no fones in most of the wrld back then bcos it was b4 puters and stuffs....... so vry vry vry long ago those peep prolly cud not even send sum txts 2 there peeps so they was vry dum dum...... well i h8 that old time i wud nvr want 2 live in it bcos that wud b vry BAD so ok............

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Nowhere was safe in Northern Ireland in the 70's. If he made a phone call the Protestants might have thought he was an IRA informer.

During the troubles a totally innocent British couple got lost and stopped at a pub to ask directions. They did not know it was a well known IRA pub. Once their accents were heard an active member was alerted and they were shot dead in their car.

That's how bad it was.

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he had found a place that should be friendly to him, but might not be, I think he was assessing the situation!

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More like a plot line you may not fully understood. Look at him sitting at the bar, he's genuinely terrified. He is completely lost at this stage and literally doesn't know yet if the people in the bar can even be trusted. Nobody is giving him any information and the secrecy adds to the paranoia. Maybe a public phone box on the street, but these were usually vandalised and didn't work usually on purpose.

As for just walking in the right direction as someone else pointed out here, his first day in the city and the streets basically all look the same. The briefing before the mission was poor, as a result of the lieutenant's poor judgement of how serious the situation really was, so study of the map, with locations of safe houses, evacuation routes, rendezvous points etc were all omitted. Also I didn't see anyone with a compass, North isn't so easy after all.

Great film and realistic I believe, since I do have first hand experience in the military. The failing to provide leadership by the lieutenant is to me the *beep* here.

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