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Watch 'Gasland' then 'FrackNation'


I watched "Gasland" when it first came out and thought it was really good. Then I saw "FrackNation" last week when it premiered on AXS.tv and also thought it was really good. If you've seen "Gasland" then I recommend also watching "FrackNation" when you get a chance. If you haven't seen "Gasland" or "FrackNation" then I strongly suggest watching "Gasland" first and "FrackNation" second since "FrackNation" directly builds off of "Gasland." Think of these two films as two halves of one documentary.

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Calling that hatchet job "Gasland" a documentary is a loose use of words.

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What a surprise: a childish and gullible right winger.

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No surprise your left is void of reason or accountability.

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I fail to see the relevance between rightwing vs leftwing in this documentary...

Gasland is about 'exploitation of oil&gas is bad, bad, bad' vs Fracknation's 'exploitation of oil&gas is a necessity of modern life, and the 'facts' presented in Gasland are either wrong or misrepresented'.

Fracknation was an eye-opener, I had no idea I was manipulated to such an extent by the media, who is apparently quoting Josh Fox without checking if there's any truth to his claims. I think this guy's life should be investigated in the next documentary.

Still, I don't like gas and oil being replaced with water under my house. If you extract something, it must be replaced with something. Water will disappear and you might get sinkholes. We have earthquakes in the region where gas has been extracted (Groningen). I also don't like chemicals being used under the ground I'm on. The problem however is that no one seems to know which chemicals are being used, in what quantities, and what they actually are... (Chloride is dangerous, but I still use it in my toilet).

I'm all for clean energy, but I am also a realist and I don't intend to cycle to work every day.

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I am glad you like FrackNation, it really is an eye opener, I didn't believe it was possible to produce such blatant lies and call it a documentary till I became a Petroleum Engineer and watched Gasland.

To answer your question about taking oil out of the ground, you are looking at oil reserves the wrong way. It isn't like water aquifers, where there is just a giant pool of water underground, and when the water is gone there is nothing left. When we say Oil Reservoir, it isn't like a giant liquid bubble underground that we suck out with a straw. An oil rich rock acts a little like a sponge, where the hydrocarbon molecules go in tiny holes in the rock, referred to as porosity. However a sponge can hold WAAAAAY more water than a rock can hold oil. To compare, for every cubic foot of Oil Shale or Sandstone, we only get about 1 teaspoon worth of oil out of it. The structural integrity of the rock is the exact same after the hydrocarbons are removed. That's why the Middle East hasn't been reduced to nothing but a giant sinkhole.

The water they pump down there isn't to "replace the oil" as you said above, most of the water that gets pumped on a frac comes back up as soon as you turn the well on. The water opens tiny cracks in the shale, which sand then goes into and holds these tiny cracks open. The water then leaves, the sand stays, and the cracks stay open. This increases the surface area of your well on the payzone by a factor of thousands.

As to the chemicals they use for frac'ing, the days of "mystery chemicals" are all gone. You can go onto your state Oil and Gas website (COGCC.state.co.us for Colorado) and look up any well near your house, and the Operating company is required to report every chemical and frac design they pump in their Completions Report. FracFocus.Org is another great website, look up any well you want, and FracFocus tells you exactly what is in each chemical, and down to the gallon exactly how much was pumped.

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Gasland is a work of fiction, it doesn't take much fact checking to see Fox lied throughout his film.

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No, watch Gasland and spare your time. Dont waste your time watching a 1,5h cooperate propaganda BS.

Fracknation is nothing more than a Ad for Fracking brought to you by big money from energy cooperations. They couldn't stand that the public is/was against fracking and they are trying to disguise their propaganda as a documentary. Its a lousy 1,5h Ad. The "journalist" is a joke, they couldn't find anyone more serious doing that.

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Das right ... follow the money.

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What makes Josh Fox more credible than Phelim McAleer? It would be a tough argument to prove given Phelim's past journalism experience.

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Indeed. And Josh Fox bases most of his claims on those of Alicia Rich, a proven fraud.

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And Vice versa, When watching fracknation I couldn't help but wonder, what makes this guy more credible then Josh? How do I know he isn't being just as manipulative and selective as he claims of Fox?
Here's where I have my problem, where Josh Fox's film comes off as more credible then Fracknation, his film is more focused not to mention it is driven by a personal curiosity about the facts of something he knew little about, it was a journey of discovery where as although Phelim countlessly claims that he's just trying to learn the truth his motivation seems to be more about discrediting Josh Fox and making Anti-fracking activists look like idiots.
His interview with the politician that was behind the anti-fracking legislation was ludicrously stupid, he tries to pass it off as a corrupt politician evading questions but he clearly tries to make the conversation uncomfortable to he through his delivery and mannerisms.
I just find the whole documentary a little suspect, he spends the whole documentary claiming bias of Fox and claiming to take the high road when his documentary doesn't seem to make even a resemblance at balance.

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wj-reed wrote:

Josh Fox's film comes off as more credible then Fracknation,
his film is more focused not to mention it is driven by a personal
curiosity about the facts of something he knew little about, it was
a journey of discovery where as although Phelim countlessly claims
that he's just trying to learn the truth his motivation seems to be more
about discrediting Josh Fox and making Anti-fracking activists look
like idiots.


I still haven't gotten to "Fracknation" yet, but this is
exactly what I suspect. Keeping an open mind ...

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I just Googled the name Phelim McAleer and read the article on ThinkProgress.org. This man has a history of making corporate-backed propaganda films. I wouldn't believe anything he was involved in.

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So the list of every single donor from Kickstarter was a lie? You're funny...

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ThinkProgress is the propaganda site of Center for American Progress. CAP is funded by the radical left: billionaire Soros, Tides Foundation, etc. http://www.activistcash.com/organizations/528-center-for-american-prog ress/

OTOH, FrackNation is grassroots activism funded by the people, not rich Commies.

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Hmm... corporate sponsored film? Question: What corporation? if this was sponsored by a corporation then who ever is these "sponsored" backers of this need to look for different work because they are lousy at their job. They couldn't get Current.TV, Al-Jazzera, or anyone frankly is telling all by itself. Mr. flammable muddy water wouldn't let him get a sample of the water, hmm why not? Crazy lady who calls the co-ps after SHE stopped to talk to him, then proceeds to make a terroristic threat of killing him showing her permit to carry a firearm. He just asked for a sample of the water, and she in turn tells the police that he told her he was going to break-in and get her water under cover of night. What are these people hiding? Josh Fox refuses to talk to him over the phone and in person, then has a security guard assault a member of his crew, ripping the phone so hard out of her hand that it took out a piece of flesh.
I am glad I watched this documentary. It shows that these residents are after cash as evidenced by no one offered a sample of their water "contaminated" by the fracking. This movie shows exactly what these people are money grubbing liars in it for the money, a little fame and free bottled water. Josh Fox is a media whore. I wonder if the events he has are free? How much money did me get? Nice being bankrolled by HBO/Cinemax/Time Warner. Notice how pissed the money hungry residents got when they were shown evidence by the EPAs tests showing that the water was clean. Could that be the reason the video had to be gotten by a FOIA request? I guarantee they would have shown the footage at the climax of the film Gasland if the tests were positive for contaminates. The guy claiming "weapons grade" Uranium in his water would be dead, or forced off his land by the government. This an ad for big business? I think not. The producers would have all been fired and a completely different film would have been produced. It would have had a spot on 60 minutes or Nightline, and had Showtime hawking the film. I hope he sued or is suing the crazy lady who threatened his life with a firearm, and the over-zealous security guard for Assault and Battery for injuring a member of his crew. For someone who made a BIG show of the corporations not answering calls and refusing interviews, strange how he did the same thing when someone wanted to question and "heaven forbid" challenge his faulty science. Josh Wolf is a d-bag who is milking his 15 minutes of fame. Watch with an open mind, but also watch the HBO documentaries Gasland and Gasland II.

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- It's far more a commercial than a documentary... which makes the crowd-funding a bit rich. Fracknation comes complete with cheesy music and cute ' wife and kids' shots of of fracking engineers - 'cos they're human too :p
- I'm sure the Gasland director exaggerated things and even lied but swinging to one-dimensional rebuff just comes off as pointless. Nothing gained really - aside from tit-for-tat pseudo debate and fracking facts you could have found on google with a few minutes effort. Oh, along the way there's some laughable attempts to make Russia look like the real globalist crooks when people in the West are just as much victims poor vision in energy planning and the greed of energy firms globally.
- More importantly, both these approaches in my mind normalize the idea that we should still be debating archaic energy systems when all areas of the globe hold wafer-thin, light-speed IPADs in their hands. REAL investigative journalism should be exposing us to the vast amount of suppressed *NEW* energy systems which were available to us at the start of the 20th Century. You may have heard of Tesla but countless other energy inventors have been silenced, threatened and killed because they tried to alert us to over-unity energy systems.

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Watched this on TV, thought it was enlightening at first. But then did some research. The guy has a history of making films to back industries that damage the environment. Makes some of his claims of been "independent" rather dubious.

After rewatching the documentary a 2nd time. The comments on the net does seem to ring more true. The guy seems more interested in attacking characters of anti-fracking people than providing evidence.

I don't care much about the issue since its not in my country. But it is interesting the US industry PR efforts have evolved from building two bit websites claiming to be from concerned citizens to funding entire documentaries claiming to be from concerned citizens.

Man I'm just glad people in my country aren't so polarized by this left right political crap lol.

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You've had too much Alex Jones... he's great but loves oil when we need 21st century technologies - not 20th century monopolised ones.

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