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The insane, unforgivable plot holes in this movie


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I know a few people have mentioned it, but I feel like too many people are seemingly willing to let the astoundingly bad plot holes and retconning in 'The Final Chapter' slide.

Paul WS Anderson took a big steaming dump all over the canon established in previous movies with The Final Chapter - even though he HIMSELF wrote them!

The origin of the T-Virus in this movie is not in any way compatible with the explanation in Apocalypse. Neither is the origin of the Red Queen, or how the T-Virus actually got released.

Also, the Red Queen, according to this movie, cannot harm Umbrella employees and must save human life. So that sort of renders the first movie null and void, right?!

Not to mention, in one movie she expressly wants to wipe out humanity - and in this, despite wanting to save lives and being unable to harm Umbrella employees, seemingly has no problem with blowing up thousands of Umbrella human employees in cryogenic storage!?

Wesker - what happened there? A near immortal super solider in Afterlife that can withstand gunfire, explosions and bombs thanks to his advanced t-virus infection. The Final Chapter - does nothing but stand around in The Hive and dies pathetically. They could have just explained that in a few lines and suggested he took the anti-virus - but they didn't bother, another example of the sheer laziness of this movie.

I mean, apparently the airborne anti-virus has been in The Hive the entire time - so why was Umbrella and Wesker (and the cloned Dr Issacs) working so desperately for a cure in Extinction and beyond?!

Don't get me started on the absurd, pathetic plot that Umbrella released the T-Virus deliberately - not only does it completely contradict the earlier movies - it's also a terrible, stupid storyline.

"Hello board of directors, I know we're a major pharmaceutical firm secretly dabbling in bio-weapons, but the world's not in a great place right now so let's just erase the world and start over."

I wouldn't accept that garbage in a black and white gameboy adaption of Resident Evil, let alone in 'The Final Chapter' of a franchise that has progressed a TOTALLY different plot to this point.

Not to mention the fact that apparently thousands of people are cryogenically awaiting the re-boot of the world a few hundred yards below the surface in The Hive.....let's just forget that a NUCLEAR MISSILE was fired at Raccoon City in Apocalypse.

It makes EVERYTHING that happened from 1-5 totally meaningless and pointless. 'The Final Chapter' is totally incompatible with the earlier movies.

What the hell were they thinking? Why aren't more people furious about this bizzare stand-alone, reboot hybrid that is nothing like the previous 5 films and craps all over them?

This movie has made me so, so angry. And the same bloody guy wrote all six, so there is zero excuse.

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- Red Queen is even not mentioned in Apocalypse and it was never said that she is based on Angie,

- in Apocalypse it was said that Dr. Ashford figured out that T-Virus can save Angie - no mention about who created the virus,

- Umbrella wanted to find "the cure" to control Biohazard and speed-up cleasing process,

- Isaacs ordered to re-open The Hive to leak the virus. It was intentional.

- Red Queen was forced by Umbrella to destroy all life on Earth. She lead attacks on last human settlements in 5 and 6,

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Actually you're right about the first point, that's my mistake.

But in Apocalypse it definitely says that Dr. Ashford is the creator of the T-Virus. That's my major gripe with The Final Chapter.

They could have just said that Dr Ashford and Dr Marcus co-created the virus to heal their respective daughters, not that difficult.

The Red Queen being forced by Umbrella to do their bidding makes no sense as it would not explain the massive shifts in character over the movies - it's radically inconsistent.

If she's programmed to value human life and never hurt an Umbrella employee, why is she able to freely kill people - all Umbrella employees - in the first movie?

Unless she killed everyone deliberately to avoid the virus getting released i.e valuing human life on the planet?

Also re: finding the cure, why would Wesker, Dr. Issacs and the Umbrella board of directors be researching a cure AFTER they've already released the virus deliberately?

The only way I think it could have been explained is that they are ALL clones - Wesker, the board of directors, Dr Issacs were all cloned and living in the post viral world not realizing they were clones, or what the ultimate plan was. Meanwhile, the human original's were all safely suspended in The Hive, letting the clones do all the dirty, dangerous work.

That would also explain why the 'real' Wesker at The Hive was weak and had no t-virus powers. It might also explain that the 'clone' Wesker could really have died at the White House with the other characters.

If I sort of convince myself to believe a lot or all that, it makes the movies fit better, but they should have made much better efforts to explain a lot of it.

Still a brain-dead stupid story but it could have sort of worked with a less lazy script.

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- Clone Wesker was just an dropped idea in Retribution script,

- lack of Wesker's powers is unexplained but in Afterlife Alice stabbed him by knife with her blood so Alice's DNA entered Wesker's body,

- I think that all post-apocalyptic Umbrella were clones. Only Wesker was real and he was in contact with real Isaacs,

- My guess is that Red Queen was reactivated and reprogrammed by Umbrella after clone attack in Tokyo, now she was programmed to not harm Umbrella employees,

- in Retribution Umbrella ordered Red Queen to recapture or kill Alice. After Washington Trap Alice was supposed to be dead so Red Queen was able to contact her,

- Red Queen's duality and betrayal of Umbrella is releated to the file uploaded by Alicia just after release of T-Virus in The Hive,


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- Red Queen is even not mentioned in Apocalypse and it was never said that she is based on Angie,


This is incorrect, the novelization of the books confirms Red Queen is based on Angie; furthermore in the Red Queen game where the said AI asks players trivia questions, she also confirms that she is based on Angela Ashford.

Originally, Final Chapter was supposed to reveal Angela's fate but it's clear that got rewritten, perhaps to allow Anderson's and Jovovich's daughter a part in the script, or maybe they thought audiences would be disturbed to see Angela die on screen. :/

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Anderson doesn't care. Not now, not before, not in the future.

I'm upset as well, but I figured I have to roll with it, because by film standards these movies are poor. If I can get some entertainment value out of them, that's already an achievement.

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No doubt fans will make Youtube videos and try to connect the dots to see if the films are cannon. I know fans who actually like the plot holes because they can fill in the gaps and construct their own answers. e.g. Maybe the Nuc that destroyed Racoon city somehow damaged or corrupted the mainframe of the Red Queen and during a self repair diagnostic she reverted to a previous version and became self conscious of her actions?


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This is very true but people shouldn't have to connect the dots to this sloppy, lazy, contrived and shoe horned final chapter.

The other films are a dumb as a bag of rocks but at least they are relatively consistent in their core story, this one is like it was written in two or three days by a new-comer to the franchise.

I've already filled in blanks myself in order to stay sane when thinking about how crap this movie is.

It does make some sort of sense if everything Umbrella does post Apocalpse, as the guy pointed out above, is actually carried out by a combination of expendable real personal and clones who don't realise they're expendable/clones also destined to die in the wiping clean of the world.

Therefore, they continue on Umbrella's work on the surface, looking to cure the virus, replicate Alice's powers, etc not realising it to be utterly in vain - because they're either expendable or cloned. (though this would NOT explain why the frozen dudes would risk their clones discovering a cure)

Umbrella's top guys are therefore already frozen when the first movie is unfolding. Spence, like Alice, was also a clone programmed to release the virus (though that seems an extraordinarily stupid way to release a world ending virus.)If Rain from the 2002 movie is a clone model, as it Carlos from the 2004 one, there's no reason not to think some/all of the team/Umbrella security service and many scientists from the first movies could also all be clones.

Maybe the Red Queen is able to kill everything in the 2002 movie, despite her statement that she 'cannot harm umbrella employees' and must 'safeguard humans' because killing everyone in the hive and sealing it is for the greater good of saving humanity and Umbrella, not understanding the sinister plan as she is simply an AI programme.

It's all very half baked and to be honest, I don't believe Paul WS Anderson put any thought into it at all and does not have a 'canon' to work from.

There's still no escaping the fact that even if you attempt to force it to work from a canon sense and it's all legit, it's still a stupid, ridiculous and nonsensical plot that cheapens the franchise.

Also have to wonder, when Dr. Issacs ask's the tank crew to turn around in TFC, they saw 'Can't sir, I have my orders'.

Given that the clone Dr. Issac doesn't realise he's a clone, and believes himself to be head of Umbrella, where the heck are these orders coming from and why does he not question them?!

I feel like there was still loads of manned Umbrella bases and strike forces around the world that were not delved into at all in this movie.

The whole thing still screams 'MOAR SEQUELS' as it doesn't wrap up the story at all, just Alice's backstory really - BOWs, T-Virus, Umbrella Corp are all still active on a global level.

Hell, they could even get away with saying that Wesker at The Hive himself was a clone and thus not the original, T-Virus infected Wesker we know from Afterlife, and still pulling strings somewhere else.

Screw Paul WS Anderson for making me have to think of all this stuff to stop myself getting really angry with the mess that is The Final Chapter.

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With the way everything plays out, you gotta think that there is a lot of room for 'what-ifs?'

Nearly every movie opens with Alice waking up.

The fifth film acknowledges the insanity and awe of this universe.
I stepped away from that movie thinking that Alice and Becky were actually real people that died and were reunited through their clones.
I thought it was the most beautiful fu king thing ever.
Their short-lived relationship is my favorite thing in the series.
That moment when they discover their clones on an assembly line is the best in the series.
"Mommy is that you? You're my mommy aren't you?"

I just saw The Final Chapter for the first time yesterday after rewatching the five films.

I finished The Final Chapter with the same questions of how everything contradicts what we knew or thought we knew before, but that also mirrors Alice and her dilemma (as well as everyone else, they don't know if they are a clone or not, how can anyone know for sure?)

How do we know Raccoon City in Apocalypse wasn't a simulation like the cities in Retribution?

Notice how Alice dies before the helicopter can leave the airspace of the city. How convenient.


The ending of Apocalypse always confused me.
Alice has all these powers and then Carlos, Jill, AJ, and Angie all show up just at the right time and then Dr. Isaac doesn't see any of this. He just gets up from being knocked out by Alice and then gives orders to let them go. He already knew what was happening. There's no way he could know those people were saving Alice at that time.
Unless it was all part of a simulation.

That Alice obviously passed the test, so he let the friend clones take her out of the simulation and into the world.

Maybe.

There's so many ways you can look at this.
What if everything in The Final Chapter isn't real? What is real?

In Retribution, those clones have imprinted memories of a life they never lived.

Which memories are the real ones to all these people?

And are those even clones? What if the events in Retribution are implanted memories?

I haven't even begun to really think about this.


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It's mind melting, isn't it. The thing is, do we really give Paul WS Anderson the credit that he actually thought this deep, yet failing, somehow, to explain it all on screen?

It can be brute forced to make The Final Chapter sort of work from a continuity POV - and that's the only thing keeping me from flying off the handle at this awful, insulting 'Final Chapter' - but this was not related on screen at all.

I look back at the first few movies, their plots, and how they made sense and followed a narrative that was easy to understand and follow.

How did he get to this point of churning out incoherent, contradictory nonsense that dismiss older films and ignore previously introduced major plot points?

Maybe he realized the average fan either doesn't care, or else doesn't even remember the plots of the older movies. He decided to focus entirely on Alice and ignore the rest of the series in entirety.

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Hmm. It started with Alice and ended with Alice. Just think.

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Not sure why you're trying to look for logic in these films. They are made for money and it's just a brainless action film to enjoy.

Minus a few inconsistencies I enjoyed this film. It was an amazing ride.

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Yeah-- they really sh!t the bed with this film.

Unforgivably killing off Jill, Ada, Leon, etc... too..

Yet they had time to screw over years of continuity for the sake of adding Milla and Paul's daughter into the plot...

Your mind is in Disturbia.

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It's Resident Evil... as a huge fan of the games, and the movies.. I just don't care anymore at this point. Why should anyone else? These movies have never been coherent except the first one 😂

The amount of time Alice has said "Let's go" in the last 3 movies is mind-boggling.

Time for Retribution.

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I totally agree with you on these points especially about Wesker.

He broke her out of the Red queens headquarters for testing viruses but it was all a ruse to do what just see her ? Hell he could have broke her out the building moved her to the testing site then lets the zombies get her.Or say agents are coming to escort her but have all of them shoot her.



it was just odd.





"I think I liked it better when I thought Sylar ate brains." -Warriorrenegade

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The only way I could see this being forgiven is a revelation in a further movie that Wesker also has clones, like Dr. Issacs, and the one at The Hive is the 'real' Wesker and is not and never was infected with the T-Virus, which would explain his dumb death.

Meaning other Wesker or Wesker from Afterlife is still out there and could appear in another movie, in the same way that Dr. Issac was brought back for Final Chapter in this way.

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