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Not helping yourselves, Christians.


Call your churches, call your movie studios, call Chuck Norris, call whomever and tell them to stop making your religion look so stupid in movies.

Bad acting, bad dialogue, bad stereotypes and enough strawmen to occupy a small country.

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Exactly. Or perhaps atheists made this to make Christians look bad.

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Atheists don't need to make movies in order to make YEC Christians look bad, they do an admirable job of that all by themselves.







"I have no idea what "hammer time" is. Or how it differs from regular time."

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Amen.

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I'm a Christian and I agree with you.

The trailer was embarrassing. So many basic errors in a short span of time. The movie must be a nightmare of such rubbish.

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Goodness will always look "stupid" to evildoers just as evil will always look "smart" to evildoers.

But the perception of evildoers does not matter.

What matters is telling the truth, and that is what this film will do.

"Science creates fictions to explain facts" - Gilman

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Said like an ignorant person.

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Said like an ignorant person.


And this comment comes from a morally superior person? Tell me. How does that work? I'm not seeing it. To me, it looks like you threw out the first insult. One ought not to point fingers unless they KNOW they're not just as guilty as those they're pointing at. Good thing to know. Hope that sticks.

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He/she most likely ment ignorant as in ill informed on the subject. It was true and has nothing to do with morality.

“It has been my philosophy of life that difficulties vanish when faced boldly.”
― Isaac Asimov

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You can't be serious, you do see who they were replying to? The person who calls critically thinking, rational people "evildoers"?

Who threw out the first insult now?

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You know, I will agree with you on one small point. The overall quality of picture probably isn't something like you'd find coming out of Hollywood. But I would rather a low-budget, low tech movie come out with some light in it that gives people something to think about and hold onto than something like Noah! REALLY? This big box-office smash film about an actual event and they couldn't leave it alone? They had to rewrite it to "green" it up? Make it environmentally correct? Make it more "believable" to those who already don't believe? Seriously? They don't mind using the Bible to make money, but will countenance no effort on the part of those who believe in the Bible to keep it to text and context.

If there was no proof for God's account of Creation and MUCH more proof for the atheistic version of the origins of life than there is, and along with all that, NO ONE of higher education that looked at all the "evidence", using the scientific process just like the unbelievers do and found the Bible to be credible, I would still feel hard-pressed to just accept, out of hand, the literal crap that is being taught in our schools today as FACT. With as little evidence and as MUCH conjecture as it takes to form this dogma, I don't understand why ANYONE believes in it! I really don't! Even if I didn't believe God's account, I'd STILL have a hard time buying what you guys seem to have lapped up like warm milk! It is beyond illogical!

One of the first clues that there is something really shaky in your "theory" is the fact that when you hit a roadblock, you just crank the timeline back a few billion years to give something previously thought of as concrete fact the chance to "evolve". And the question I ask and NEVER get an answer for is, "Okay, the Big Bang Theory". What "banged"? How did it get there? Where did it come from?

-Lame, feeble answer...

Okay, I'll accept that (whatever it was. I'm polite, if nothing else), but what about before THAT? Where did THAT come from? How did THAT come into being?

-another lame, feeble answer...

Getting less willing to just buy into that, but if it's true, what about where THAT came from?

Do you see where I'm going with this? Even if it were possible that your beliefs on the origin of life had any merit, the origins of time and space, you have no clue on. Many of you are sure you do, but you don't. Because each time we get to the very "extreme in earliness", you have to back it up again. It's older.

To be blunt. Without God, you have nothing. Because without God, there are no building blocks with which to build the universe. And if God is real, and there is no credible evidence to suggest otherwise, and He is capable of providing your "theory" with all its building blocks, then how is He not fully capable of just saying "Let there be light"? And etc, etc, etc, and having it done? And how is He not fully capable of doing it in 6 24-hour days?

It seems to me that the haughtiness of your spirit is lacking in logic. Simple human logic. Everything in our existence had a beginning. But what was before? The human mind cannot comprehend eternity. God IS eternity. We can't "get" Him, so we decide to just think something up for ourselves? And if God's truth doesn't jibe with our independent thoughts, He doesn't exist? His version of the beginnings aren't true? Childish.

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You tell us:
"Even if I didn't believe God's account, I'd STILL have a hard time buying what you guys seem to have lapped up like warm milk! It is beyond illogical!"

I would gamble that you can't name the five most important sets of evidence for evolution. I'll bet you can't explain even one of those arguments. How do I know? Because you pretend there are NONE.

We know that everything in nature evolved because we see it happening now. We see atavisms. We see nested hierarchies. We see flu shots needing replaced every year because the viruses continue to evolve. And because we understand evolution more and more each year, our chances of making a successful vaccine for that year's flu increases.

If evolution is not real, why are industries built around it? Why are they more and more successful?

Why do evolutionary algorithms on computers solve problems better than people can?

You don't understand evolution. But scientists do. And I'm thankful for that. Whenever Christians have called scientists wrong, who was proven correct? I think you know the answer to that even if you won't admit it.




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We see flu shots needing replaced every year because the viruses continue to evolve. And because we understand evolution more and more each year, our chances of making a successful vaccine for that year's flu increases.


What is being seen is adaptation, not evolution. Which is what Darwin himself saw at work at the Galapagos islands. Very different. You're not see the flu virus mutate into something completely different altogether. There isn't a mass re-writing of its DNA that changes it into something new, which is what evolution is - change of one species into another. You're seeing a defense mechanisms at work.

You don't understand evolution. But scientists do. And I'm thankful for that.


Let's change a couple words and see what happens:

"You don't understand [The Bible]. But [Priests] do. And I'm thankful for that."

Sounds like a religion to me. But even a contemporary, literate Christian wouldn't (or at least shouldn't) be so gullible. Keep drinking that Kool-Aid.


"If you're waiting for a woman to make up her mind, you may have a long wait." Preacher

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which is what evolution is - change of one species into another


No, that's not what evolution is. You clearly don't know what you're talking about. At least read the first sentence of a wiki article on evolution, if cracking a book is too scary.

You HAVE to know what the claim is before you can oppose it, otherwise you're arguing with nobody but your own misunderstandings.

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"You know, I will agree with you on one small point. The overall quality of picture probably isn't something like you'd find coming out of Hollywood. But I would rather a low-budget, low tech movie come out with some light in it that gives people something to think about and hold onto than something like Noah! REALLY? This big box-office smash film about an actual event and they couldn't leave it alone? They had to rewrite it to "green" it up? Make it environmentally correct? Make it more "believable" to those who already don't believe? Seriously? They don't mind using the Bible to make money, but will countenance no effort on the part of those who believe in the Bible to keep it to text and context. "


The Noah movie is about an actual event? Seriously? :D

I heard that the biblical flood myth is based on an actual event... a local mesopotamian flood. ;)

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Hilarious how Christians are able to tell movies like Clash of Tirans or Troy are based on myth, but are unable to do so with Noah! :)

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Sorry. One more thought.

You said that stuff like this makes our religion look stupid? I disagree. I don't think anything makes ANYONE look more stupid than when they are willing to cling for life to a "theory" that can't really be proven without constantly changing the goalposts and backing up the timeline in order to accommodate some new wrinkle in it. I can think of nothing that makes one look less intelligent than when they get snide and mocking toward people who have the same education and degrees as those they agree with, but only had the temerity to disagree with their findings. That, more than any movie, makes a person look stupid.

Having seen many Christiano Brothers movies in the past, yes, they are low tech. Yes, very low budget. And it shows. But I have yet to see one that is deceiving or untrue or does not remain faithful to God's Word. And since THAT has PROVEN itself credible to me, no insult of yours is going to alter that reality.

Our "religion" only looks stupid to those who won't give it a chance. Even the Bible tells us that to those who are perishing (unbelievers), the Word of God is foolishness. Frankly, that is one Biblical truth I wouldn't want to be part of proving true. But, it's your choice.

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Auntneice7, lying is not an argument that will make your claims more believable.

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constantly changing the goalposts and backing up the timeline in order to accommodate some new wrinkle in it.


Thats science for you, always readjusting its opinion on the basis on newly dicovered/understood facts. Bad Science! How dare you change in the face of knowledge!

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Evolution has nothing to do with the origins of life (that's abiogénesis) or the beginnings of the universe. It deals only with small genetic changes over generations through mutation guided by natural selection. That's it.

I'd also like to add that this "theory" (the highest order of knowing in science) has more support, proof and we know more about it than the theory of gravity. Google that.

Also google what "scientific theory" actually means in science, it's obvious you haven't looked into that, either.

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