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The Jurors have to be some of the worst vile pos people alive


When I started watching the documentary, you get to get a feeling that the kid that ended up doing this heinous act was brought up with hate in his heart. Then you have these lowlife whores (Jurors), saying that the gay kid caused it on himself. Really? Someone who is gay, docile, probably could not win in a fight if his life dependent on it getting gun down by cold blood asked for it because he said something to the Nazi scumbag.

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Completely agree!

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Those women were slobbering over Brandon, they were like school girls. This whole documentary was so depressing.

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The jurors and defenders were completely smitten with Brandon. The 'Save Brandon' tattoo and bracelets were disgusting. And I couldn't believe the one juror that was saying, "21 years seems like an awful long period of time for a kid who didn't do anything like torturing, kidnapping, or any of those things that I consider to be appropriate for the 21 year sentence."

Lady... He took a life! What do you consider an appropriate sentence for that?

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I guess everyone's ignoring the part where the kid was deliberately embarassing a 14 yr old in front of his peers, knowing full well the ridicule Brandon would suffer because this unwanted attention. No, that had nothing to do with, Larry is totally faultless.

They jurors empathized with Brandon and understood the humiliation caused to him by Larry. They also understood that a 14 yr old is not an adult and that the State had no business trying him as one. There's a reason why juvenile courts exist and why juvenile records get erased once someone reaches adult age.

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Ummm, welcome to junior high? I've had my fair share of embarrassing moments at the hands of others at that age, but never felt the need to bring a gun to school and get back at anyone. I'm not sure why anyone would think murder is justifiable in Brandon's case.

And the jurors...yes, when I'm bored, I doodle swastikas all the time and it's totally ok. What a bunch of morons. And I think anyone who refers to cabernets as "cabs" should serve a life term in prison.

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No one is defending Brandon's actions, but they didn't occur in a vacuum. Larry brought it on himself with his sexual bullying of Brandon.

Those defending Larry should ask themselves these questions: why did he choose to publicly humiliate Brandon on several occasions? What could possibly justify those actions? Why should bullying be acceptable because one person is gay and the other is not? If the roles were reversed and it was a gay guy shooting his straight bully would you still be defending the bully?

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No one is defending Brandon's actions,

Yes you are.

but they didn't occur in a vacuum. Larry brought it on himself with his sexual bullying of Brandon.

So happy to see you present yourself as a"blame the victim" imbecile. If you view Brandon's actions as defensible, that says quite a bit about your mentality, and your bias towards Lawrence King.

Those defending Larry should ask themselves these questions: why did he choose to publicly humiliate Brandon on several occasions?

How is telling a boy you want him for a valentine humiliating? How often was Larry humiliated--by students, and teachers--yet he never resorted to violence?

What could possibly justify those actions?

A crush, that's what.

Why should bullying be acceptable because one person is gay and the other is not?

Why should murder be acceptable because one person is straight, and the other is not?

If the roles were reversed and it was a gay guy shooting his straight bully would you still be defending the bully?

Would you still be defending the murderer?

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Yes, it's called sexual harassment, but Brandon overreacted and killing is always wrong therefore he is in jail.

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Yes, it's called sexual harassment

And what do you call the abuse, physical violence, and bullying Brandon committed against Lawrence for over a year?

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Please provide the links detailing "the abuse, physical violence, and bullying Brandon committed against Lawrence for over a year."

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Larry brought it on himself


You are a sorry excuse for a human being. A failed product

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I have to admit I laughed at that post trial jury wine slosh scene...

My favourite line would have to be by Brandon's defence attorney when she said she loved him and that he's her favourite person on the planet after she showed the camera her Brandon wrist tattoo. I can understand getting close to your client after three or so years of handling their case but come on woman! The boy shot his classmate in the back of the head twice and he's your favourite person on the planet????

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She was lucky Brandon didn't hurt her, since I don't think she was heterosexual herself

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Seriously, imadbasayev? Larry didn't shoot Brandon. Brandon was embarrassed, but is still alive, and will continue to live his life when he gets out of jail.

That you see boy making passes at another boy as a defense of murder says more about you, than it does Larry.

The jurors "empathized" with Brandon because he was a white, straight kid who killed a brown skinned gay kid. If Brandon was non-white, they would have sent him to jail for the rest of his natural life.

People like you defending murderers are so beyond the pale, that I really don't understand how any justice gets meted out in America.

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Larry did not "make passes," he deliberately embarrassed Brandon in front of his friends and other students several times, and the school refused to address the issue. He dealt with it the wrong way but was pushed to that stage by Larry's sexual bullying. Larry was even known to make inappropriate comments to other boys in the change room and following some into the bathroom. Stop making him out to be an angel when he clearly set out to provoke others, with the cheerleading of his vice-principal and the one teacher who gave him the dress.

The fact that you think the jurors sided with Brandon because of his race when there was no suggestion of it, shows that you're the one with issues, not them.

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Larry did not "make passes," he deliberately embarrassed Brandon in front of his friends and other students several times,

In what ways did he "deliberately" embarrass Brandon? Asking another boy to be his valentine in front of his friends was a damn sight better than Brandon routinely threatening to murder Larry, right up to the very morning he killed him. That you view the two as similar shows where your mind is at.

and the school refused to address the issue.

You mean push Larry back in the closet? The school tried that, and it adversely effect Larry. But you don't really care, do you?

He dealt with it the wrong way but was pushed to that stage by Larry's sexual bullying.

What sexual bullying? You repeat this often, but asking another boy to be his valentine is not sexual bullying. And it's far less violent that the actual physical violence Brandon committed against Larry for over a year.

Larry was even known to make inappropriate comments to other boys in the change room and following some into the bathroom.

Prove this with a verifiable link online.

Stop making him out to be an angel

And stop making him out to be the catalyst of his own murder.

when he clearly set out to provoke others, with the cheerleading of his vice-principal and the one teacher who gave him the dress.

I certainly hope the next woman you sexually harass, decides to plug you. Using your logic, she is well within her rights to do so.

The fact that you think the jurors sided with Brandon because of his race when there was no suggestion of it, shows that you're the one with issues, not them.

One of the jurors stated that Brandon was a nice "white" kid during an interview just after the trial. Why was Brandon's race so important to this woman?

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Do you even know the facts of the case? Do you think asking him to be his valentine was the only time Larry embarrassed Brandon? I feel like you're either uniformed or you're conveniently ignoring a lot of what led up to the murder.

Whether you like it or not Larry was the catalyst. If he'd left Brandon alone, none of this would've happened. What Brandon did was wrong but it was a reaction to Larry's unwanted attention. It is well know that Larry was an attention whore and had no regard for the consequences to Brandon of his advances.

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If he'd left Brandon alone, none of this would've happened

Is that how the world works?

Brandon did was wrong but it was a reaction to Larry's unwanted attention

Should we re-try every murder case so as to emphasize where the victim was perhaps the catalyst by causing the murderer to react?
You know...the guy who shot the convenience store clerk was reacting to the clerk working that night in a store that had money in it. Or the gangmember who reacted to the enemy gangmember wearing the wrong color. All acceptable and justifiable reasons to end a human life, right?

conveniently ignoring a lot of what led up to the murder

Actually the whole point of this story is to bring attention to that very thing. It is what makes the crime so heinous- what led up to it should not have in any civilized and intelligent society.

Making it a case about anything other than murder in the first degree is intellectual dishonesty that is more than likely a symptom of racism nd homophobia.


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Larry's behaviour and taunting of Brandon was the cause of this whether you like it or not. You obviously haven't read up on the case so there's no point discussing this as your opinion is based solely on emotion.

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I'm emotionally uninvolved. Can you say the same?

This wasn't an altercation that escalated into violence. This was premeditated murder.

It doesn't matter who was involved, or why. The law is clear about this.

Your emotion clouds your view. Are you currently an 8th grader yourself?

there's no point discussing this as your opinion is based solely on emotion

I'd run away and hide from me too if I were you. You've lost and you know it. I suppose this is some sophomoric attempt to save face? Pretty cool. All will be convinced.


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This wasn't an altercation that escalated into violence.


You're right, it wasn't one altercation that escalated, it was several, all initiated by Larry. Read the links/quotes in my other post and then come back and try to say Larry had nothing to do with it.

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I havent read any reports of Larry purchasing a gun and allowing it to fall into Brandon's hands.



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You're right, it wasn't one altercation that escalated, it was several, all initiated by Larry.

Are you stupid, or just willfully ignorant? How may times do you have to read that Brandon had been bullying Larry for over a year?

Read the links/quotes in my other post

Your second hand stories related by a teacher who witnessed none of the events she testified about seeing?

and then come back and try to say Larry had nothing to do with it.

Larry had nothing to do with it.

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I know it's hard for you to accept that Larry caused Brandon to go ape-sh_t but that's just the way it is whether you like it or not. You're the "willfully ignorant" one for ignoring all the taunts and bullying Larry did. You think just cause he's gay it means he's innocent and choose not to believe anything he's been accused of. Sorry but that's not how the world works. Some people get bullied and kill themselves, others kill the bully, the lucky ones get through it, sometimes with help. Obviously Brandon made the wrong choice but it was a reaction to Larry's bullying.

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I know it's hard for you to accept that Larry caused Brandon to go ape-sh_t

I know it's hard for you to accept that victims are not to blame for their murders.

but that's just the way it is whether you like it or not.

That's your opinion. An opinion shared by other anti-gay bigots. Nice company you keep, sunshine.

You're the "willfully ignorant" one

I'm rubber, you're glue. You really do have a school yard mentality, don't you? What are you, about 10 years old?

for ignoring all the taunts and bullying Larry did.

While you ignore all the bullying Brandon did; and not just of Larry. Even after being locked up, Brandon continued to attack other kids. He's a violent mess, and you're his proudest defender.

You think just cause he's gay it means he's innocent

And you think because Larry was gay, he's to blame.

and choose not to believe anything he's been accused of.

He was accused of having a crush on another boy. That's no reason to be killed. I certainly wish Larry was here to defend himself, but he's not. He's dead. And your boy Brandon will be free in 21 years to kill again.

Sorry but that's not how the world works.

In the real world--the world sane, rational people inhabit, the world does work that way.

Some people get bullied and kill themselves, others kill the bully, the lucky ones get through it, sometimes with help.

The great majority of bullied kids never kill their tormentors. That you believe the opposite demonstrates you have no grasp on reality, or facts to back up your argument. You're the only person here who believes Brandon was bullied, and sexually harassed. You're trying desperately to prove your argument, and failing at every step. You're defending a murderer, which is your right. But don't expect sane people to accept your absurd bias against a dead kid.

Obviously Brandon made the wrong choice but it was a reaction to Larry's bullying.

There was no bullying. Brandon never complained about being bullied, he didn't say he was going to kill Larry because he was a bully, no teachers testified that Brandon was bullied. that is a sick fantasy concocted by you, and one which will no doubt be used in perpetuity by anti-gay bigots.

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There's no point discussing this with someone who's in complete denial of Larry's behaviour. The teacher's lying, the students are lying, everyone who says anything negative about Larry is making it up. Tell me this, who's the one who had a record (theft/vandalims) before this incident? Who's the one who was being spoken to about their behaviour on more than one occasion before the murder? Here's a hint, it wasn't Brandon. Larry was no angel and the fact that you present him as some saint shows how delusionally blind your are to the reality of what occured.

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There's no point discussing this with someone who's in complete denial of Larry's behaviour.

And there's no point in arguing with someone who believes Brandon acted within reason.

The teacher's lying,

She lied about witnessing the actions students accused him of, and then admitted on the stand that she had not seen those actions.

the students are lying,

The students who accused Larry of these actions were never asked to testify.

everyone who says anything negative about Larry is making it up.

Considering the anti-gay bias of the people accusing Larry of these things, it stands to reason their intentions are not wholly unbiased.

Tell me this, who's the one who had a record (theft/vandalims) before this incident?

Who is the student who was involved with the drug trade with his father, and had runs in with the law. Who is the student who after ebbing incarcerated, continued to bully, and beat up others kids?

Who's the one who was being spoken to about their behaviour on more than one occasion before the murder?

Who is the student who threatened Larry repeatedly, even before the murder happened?

Here's a hint, it wasn't Brandon.

But it was Brandon who shot another kid--twice in the back of the head.

Larry was no angel and the fact that you present him as some saint shows how delusionally blind your are to the reality of what occured.

And the fact that you present a murderer as a victim shows how incapable you are of understanding the facts of this case. You're biased against Larry because he was a gay kid. You support Brandon because he's a straight kid.

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Lol, you lost this argument bud.

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You think just cause he's gay it means he's innocent


What is he guilty of? I have yet to see a crime committed by Larry King. Annoying people is not a crime.

Obviously Brandon made the wrong choice but it was a reaction to Larry's bullying

And? Is that any better than if it was PCP that made him do it? Nobody is suggesting that Brandon was possessed and some other being was in his body and committed a murder for no reason. Of course he had a reason in his own mind.

What's next? You will inform us that the sky is blue and water is wet?



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He's guilty of sexual harassment and bullying. With regard to your second statement, Brandon's reason is important because it shows that it wasn't a hate crime. It shows that it was, in fact, preventable if the school had not chosen to ignore Larry's bullying and harassment

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It shows that it was, in fact, preventable if the school had not chosen to ignore Larry's bullying and harassment

Patently absurd. Unless you possess supernatural abilities that allow you to see branching timelines not part of the historical absolute.



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He's guilty of sexual harassment and bullying.

Because you say he is? Rad.

I've got a bridge to sell you.

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A teacher tried to file a complaint on behalf of the students who complained but the lesbian assistant principal refused to take up the matter.

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A teacher tried to file a complaint on behalf of the students who complained but the lesbian assistant principal refused to take up the matter.

And the lesbian VP tried to file a complaint against the anti-gay, and anti-Semitic teacher, but that complaint was dismissed.

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What evidence is there of the VP filing a complaint for those reasons?

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He's guilty of sexual harassment and bullying.

In which court was he tried, and found guilty? Besides the court of public opinion, of course.

Brandon's reason is important because it shows that it wasn't a hate crime.

By your own admission, Brandon hated the attentions of a gay student, targeted and killed that student. That is a hate crime.

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The fact that Larry was a sexual bully is public knowledge, so I'm not sure why you're trying to question it.

Also, you don't seem to understand what a hate crime is. Brandon didn't kill Larry cause he was gay. He killed Larry cause Larry was using the fact that he was gay to embarrass him. It's the constant humiliation in front of his peers that made him kill Larry, how hard is that to understand?

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It's the constant humiliation in front of his peers that made him kill Larry, how hard is that to understand?

People are having trouble understanding how you gained the omnipresence you must have to be able to say 'constant' as though you were there.
They are also not understanding how you came to that conclusion without the benefit of Brandon ever stating for the record that very thing.

Comprende'?

Furthermore, I'm a member of the public and I would never call what Larry did 'sexual bullying'. I think you mean to say it is lunatic fringe knowledge.

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If you want to be in denial of Larry's behaviour or play it down that's fine. The students were lying, the teachers were lying, everyone was lying. Whatever helps you sleep at night. The important thing is the jurors didn't see past it.

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Im denying that you possessing accurate information. Neither you nor I know the particulars of Larry's interactions with other students.

Of course, once upon a time perhaps i would have been naive enough to think that people dont lie and exaggerate.
Maybe when i was 7?


That you claim to know the truth speaks to the desperate nature of your crusade. You really really want it to be true.
Neat.



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I choose not assume that the teachers and students were all lying about Larry. You want to pretend like they were that's fine.

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Which is an assumption in itself.

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It's ridiculous to sugggest everyone is lying simply because it doesn't fit your pro-gay narrative. Unless there's evidence someone has lied, there's no reason not to believe them.

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It is pro-gay to remove all superfluous nonsense and focus on the fact that student A murdered student B in a premditated fashion?

That's pretty cool.

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No, it's pro-gay to deliberately ignore the behaviour of student B leading up to the murder.

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There is no behavior, gay or otherwise, that absolves anyone of premeditated murder.

If you are citing his behavior to show that Brandon had a motive, ok. Not sure why- who doubts Brandon had a motive?

I agree. Brandon, like Scott Peterson and countless other murderers, had a motive.

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Again, there's a difference between motive/justification and a mitigating factor. You can't bully and humiliate someone several times and then play the victim whent they react. Brandon's problem was he overeacted and that's why he had to be punished, but it doesn't absolve Larry of his behaviour leading up to the murder.

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So Larry, laying dead with 2 bullets in him, was playing the victim? I'm unsure what more one could do to BE a victim.

You are descending deeper and deeper into incoherence.

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Just cause he's dead doesn't mean his actions played no role in his murder.

To use an extreme example to illustrate my point, if someone tries to rob you and you happen to have a gun and shoot and kill them, are they still a victim? Most likely you'd say no, they're not a victim and got what was coming to them.

To me, bullying is a crime. Obviously it's not punishable by death, but then neither is robbery for most people.

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To use an extreme example to illustrate my point, if someone tries to rob you and you happen to have a gun and shoot and kill them, are they still a victim?


If someone tries to rob me at gun point then my life is threatened- so if I have a gun and shoot them first I have done so in justifiable self defense.

If someone just comes up to me and says 'give me your money' and they are not threatening me with physical violence in any way and I shoot them guess what? They are a victim and I go to prison.

Was your example meant to tell me that I'm right?

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In my example the thief doesn't have a gun but gets shot attempting to rob someone. It's meant to show that a victim can precipitate their own murder. If you think this is impossible then you're living in your own fantasy. You're simply desperate to exonerate Larry of all his actions, whereas some, like the jurors, can see both sides of the story.

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In my example the thief doesn't have a gun but gets shot attempting to rob someone

How does the thief go about attempting this robbery? I'm sure you are not so obtuse as to believe a person can be justifiably killed simply for suggesting that another give them their money and belongings.

It is intellectually dishonest to suggest that an attempted robbery does not imply some sort of strong arm tactic. You didn't qualify your example, so please do so, lest it be another piss poor example




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You're getting pretty desperate now aren't you? People commit unarmed robberies all the time. Some people even rob a bank with a written note. You're playing dumb cause it's easier than addressing my point.

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Some people even rob a bank with a written note

More intellectual dishonesty. A bank robber who slips a note to a teller does so under the pretense that they are possibly concealing a weapon.

This attempted robbery being likened to an 8th grader having a crush on another is the zenith of desperation.

Worse...it's just stupid. I get that you don't tolerate people that are not like you (which means you must have sensory overload when in the company of high school graduates), but please try to keep your argument in the realm of sanity.

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I'm comparing a thief to a bully, showing how both can be victims who's actions precipitate their own murder. If you can't understand that then you're either playing dumb or you're just a straight f_cktard.

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I'm comparing a thief to a bully...you're just a straight f_cktard

Ah...sweet irony.

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I see you can't address my point which shows you've given up on your position. Progress.

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Right, because you haven't danced away from all mine.

If your point is that your judgment is questionable due to personal bias and immature intolerance, what is there to address? I'm reading you loud and clear.

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So sexual bullying or harassment is justification? Heads up my fellow ladies who are constantly and aggressively hit on at bars or at work or at school-it is now justifiable for you to pull out a gun and shoot the guy who keeps putting his hand on your ass or tries to put his hands in your pants while you are dancing. Good to know that next time guys at work start talking about my or some other woman's boobs it's ok to blast them away. Or is it only justifiable to shoot someone of the same sex because you are such a homophobe that you can't just brush off the unwanted attention?

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I'll say it yet again, there's a difference between justification and a mitigating factor. Find me one post where I've said he shouldn't be punished for what he did. I'm waiting...

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I'm waiting...

As am I...for the one post where I suggested you said he shouldn't be punished.



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That reply wasn't for you.

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I couldn't believe the words that were coming out of the jurors mouths. I don't care if Brandon was embarrassed because Larry liked him or because he didn't like the fact that Larry was an individual.

At the end of the day regardless of his age Brandon killed somebody. He planned it out and he executed his plan to kill Larry King. Someone who could not even hope of defending himself and someone who didn't deserve to have his life cut short.

You don't get sympathy when you cold bloodily take someone's life.


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Reaction, my a**. Being humiliated in school does NOT justified murder in ANY way, shape or form. So according to you,King just deserved it? All the ohter boy had to do was go to the office and report him---what was so hard about that? You totally overlook the fact this Brandon kid was a disturbed child who had NO business having a damn gun anyway. NOTHING justified what he did. S***, kids have issues with each other in school all the time---since how the hell does using a gun solve anything? What the hell was he even doing with a gun in the first place? You make it sounds like, "Well, Brandon was provoked--"---oh come ON--they were both KIDS---they could have both handled that better. Brandon sounds like he was on his way to being a borderline psychopath,regardless.

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I guess everyone's ignoring the part where the kid was deliberately embarassing a 14 yr old in front of his peers, knowing full well the ridicule Brandon would suffer because this unwanted attention. No, that had nothing to do with, Larry is totally faultless.

I like the "gay panic" defense. Always my favorite. OMG! He was so embarrassed by the unwanted attentions of a 15year old kid! If all the girls who were ever flirted with or even harassed by hormonal teenagers deemed "uncool" by their friends were to bring a gun to school and shoot him in the head, I'm sure there wouldn't be a lot of guys growing to be adults. Are you kidding me?

"Brandon" certainly had issues and it's sad that he wasn't helped before he took a life but let's be honest, if it hadn't been Larry King, it would have been someone else. He's a white trash supremacist, with a junkie mother, a violent abusive father and bad influence brothers, he would have ended up in jail or on death row at some point, you can be sure of it. He was the one who needed help.
But of course, in your views, it was Larry King who was "not normal". McInerney's behavior is sadly considered ok. Until he kills someone over something trivial and then he's a victim.

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There's a difference between being hit on by a member of the opposite sex, something that's expected and natural, and being sexually harassed and bullied by a member of the same sex, especially when you're that young. There's no ridicule when a girl is hit on by a guy, it's usually an ego boost. It's the exact opposite when it's a member of the same sex for guys.

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There's no ridicule when a girl is hit on by a guy, it's usually an ego boost. It's the exact opposite when it's a member of the same sex for guys.

Your hypocrisy is fascinating.

First degree murder where witnesses, motive, and weapon removes any ambiguity ISN'T black and white, yet the interactions between individuals in regards to how they feel about being hit on by whomever is.

Pretty neat.

I better be careful. You may murder me for intellectually bullying you.

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To bully me you'd first need to make a sound argument, something you're failing at miserably.

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Am I? Where is Brandon now?

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When did I say Brandon is innocent?

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LMAO Are you serious? There were plenty of times men made advances on me that were anything but "expected & natural". Ego boost? I don't think so!

You seem so angry at & scared of LGBT people. Like I said in another thread, if you are comfortable with your own sexuality, being hit on by someone of the same sex is nothing to lose your sh*t over.

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I genuinely hope the imbeciles defending Brandon experience a horrific murder of a loved one, so they can feel what real pain is.

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I actually found them to be quite reasonable and I agrees with them specifically the ones who were interviewed when they were wine tasting in their kitchen.

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Yes, txsiimk, because killing another kid is a great way to "solve a problem".

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Yup.
Exactly.

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I'm surprised he can get a good internet connection under his bridge.

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Ok, I can give my address. You're bringing hot lead? So you're a coward like the little wannabe nazi b!tch boy Brandon? Too scared of a real fight?

Shocker.

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Ok, I can give my address. You're bringing hot lead? So you're a coward like the little wannabe nazi b!tch boy Brandon? Too scared of a real fight?

My comment was directed at txsiimk.

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So you are going to kill me? that's what that meant? You are going to murder me?? lol...

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Well I will say I am glad you are using my logic now.

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Well I will say I am glad you are using my logic now.

It was easy; I had a lobotomy.

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I've got some lead that I'd like to deliver while it's still piping hot.
Is this some kind of weird sex thing??

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Is this some kind of weird sex thing??

That your mind would go there, presents an interesting picture of your psyche.

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What picture is that??

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What picture is that??

Of a person whose ideas regarding normal responses to situations is clearly off balance.

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Who the heck r u talkin bout man??

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Oh, please. That was the most excitement those bored, fat suburban housewives had probably had in years. It was obvious that they just LOVED being a part of that. Unfortunately, they revealed themselves to be so morally bankrupt and soulless that was shocking to watch.



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The scene with the jurors obsessing over a $3.99 bottle of wine and Brandon was horrifying. What is it with Californians? Over the years, we've noticed a prominent airhead component. Mebbe it's something in the water.

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I agree with the majority on this board who can't believe all the love the jurors and his defense team had for Brandon. Just because he didn't have a record before murdering the defenseless Larry, doesn't mean that he wasn't a monster inside just waiting to hurt or kill a gay person, black, or Jew. The women who was his defense attorney was certifiably nuts. Claiming that she loved Brandon and sporting a tribute tattoo of him on her arm. Brandon was only a teenager, but he had all the signs of becoming a neo Nazi. Guys like him join the Aryan brotherhood in the pen. Only time will tell what kind of adult Brandon will be when he gets released from prison at 39.

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Only time will tell what kind of adult Brandon will be when he gets released from prison at 39.

Statistically speaking, he will be more violent. As you wrote, men like Brandon join white power gangs while locked up, and make life long connections. Larry won't be his first gay victim, and not his last. If he wants to continue within the ranks of a WP gang, he will have to prove himself by killing someone when he gets out of jail.

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Larry won't be his first gay victim, and not his last.


Of course, and this sentence makes sense how?

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Larry will be his first gay victim, and not his last.


Of course, and this sentence makes sense how?

Feel better? Post a third reply about that sentence, maybe it'll help you.

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Larry will be his first gay victim



Still doesn't make sense, here let me help you.

"Larry WAS HIS first victim but he will NOT be the last."


I guess you really did go out and get that lobotomy cause now I have to argue both our point for us.

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Still doesn't make sense, here let me help you.

"Larry WAS HIS first victim but he will NOT be the last."


An ignoramus teaching grammar and sentence structure. Spend more time presenting facts to back up your opinions, and less time parsing comments from others. I suppose whatever stops you from making absurd, anti-gay claims is beneficial to society. So please, continue.

And just because:

I guess you really did go out, and got that lobotomy, cause now I have to argue our points for us both.

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I guess you really did go out, and got that lobotomy



I am sorry are you trying to turn the tables because yet again you have not only misquoted me (I wrote 'get' not 'got'), you have also produced yet another incomprehensible sentence.



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you have not only misquoted me (I wrote 'get' not 'got'),

Yes, you wrote "get." And I corrected you. You're welcome.

you have also produced yet another incomprehensible sentence.

Incomprehensible to an imbecile who wrote "get", rather than got. However, to the rest of us, quite clear. Spend less time in the playground, and more time in class.

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WHATEVER MAN, you have now been successfully trolled and totally been directed off subject.. The reality is I don't give a sht, Brandon could go to hell for all I care. Have a good day.

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WHATEVER MAN, you have now been successfully trolled

Successfully? Your concept of success is patently absurd.

and totally been directed off subject.

While I've been handing your ass to you, I've also been kicking the brains out of other imbeciles on this board.

The reality is I don't give a sht,

If you waste this much of your life on things you don't care about, I have no trouble imagining how pathetic your life is.

Brandon could go to hell for all I care.

Show him the way, please.

Have a good day.

Eat sh!t.

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hmmm i see what u did there

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Still doesn't make sense, here let me help you.

"Larry WAS HIS first victim but he will NOT be the last."


I guess you really did go out and get that lobotomy cause now I have to argue both our point for us.




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Larry won't be his first gay victim



Well you must know something we don't know. (and when I say we I include the filmmakers)


Because I did not know Brandon had access to a time machine and/or had the ability to retroactively commit hate crimes.

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Paul you just pulled that out of your ass. Statistically murderers are the least likely to repeat their offenses. Not that that means a heck of a lot to individual cases. Other than possibly his tender years I find nothing in this story that ameliorates Brandon's actions. He is where he belongs. But for you to claim you know what he will or will not make of his life in nonsense. This kid committed a horrible crime. I don't know if 21 years is enough for the crime or not but I am not sure I could write a 14 year old off forever either.

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Statistically murderers are the least likely to repeat their offenses.

Unfortunately because of your governments shut-down, I can't access the gov't site that proves my statement. If you have links that belie my comment, then please post them.

I don't know if 21 years is enough for the crime or not but I am not sure I could write a 14 year old off forever either.

He's not 14. he's a grown man, and will still be when he gets out. That's the problem with people like you--you keep seeing the 14 year old kid that Brandon was, and ignoring the adult man Larry will never become.

That said, let him move in with you when he gets out. I'm sure your soft heart will keep him warm at night.

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I think that's a lot of speculation, and based on a lot of stereotypes we get from the media and entertainment worlds.

I agree the jurors we are shown are bigots (and complete morons for not realizing they are being humiliated right to their faces), but I still have a big problem with charging a 14-year old kid as an adult under any circumstances. The prosecutor was kind of a joke.

The take away is that Hate Crimes, even though well intentioned, are just not a good idea, and are questionable constitutionally. Jurors don't seem to like them, and end up sympathizing with defendants, many DAs don't like charging them, because they tend to confuse issues and often raise the bar for convictions.

"For dark is the suede that mows like a harvest"

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