I sat down just to watch a few minutes and ended up sitting to watch the entire thing.
I kept wondering if they were going to tell what an ass Kevin was (and he was) and all the other things about the band.
I was never a fan AFTER Keven turned into an ass and Kevin was the reason why but this story is very well done.
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watched it yesterday and want to buy it on dvd it was well done. only wish I could have known a little more about Kevin Dubrow. i already knew he liked to trash talk a lot of people
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The last time I saw Kevin was in 2001 on the Glam Slam tour with E'nuff Z'nuff and Poison (among others),and he seemed fine then.
I knew him pretty well in the 1990's though. He could be a great guy, but you just had to be careful what subjects you brought up around him. He had his moods, but the big problem was he didn't let grudges die. The last time I heard him go off on a rant about Randy Rhodes was maybe 1992? Seriously, some of the things he was still pissed off about ten years later were ..well, kinda nuts.
Nobody mentioned his hairpiece either. Pretty much everyone walked on eggshells around him except Carlos, and they didn't talk to each other a great deal on the road.. but that had more to do with Carlos having a touch of anxiety disorder, and he didn't take the medication for it before he played, so he was very quiet during work days.
Seriously, over all Kevin was good people, with a few quirks that made a lot of people end up with a bad impression of him. It was mostly road rules about pushing his buttons. When you're stuck dealing with someone on a tour you do what you can to make it bearable. Bearable Kevin was not agitated Kevin.
I'm about to watch the documentary now. I'm curious to see what everybody else had to say.
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thanks for the post. with it i learn a little more on Kevin Dubrow. i was not listening to Quiet Riot back in the 80"s as i was to young. but do like the glam rock sound now just as I still like grunge
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You're welcome! Any questions you have I'll be happy to try to answer.
I'm about halfway though the doc and admit I'm a bit irritated at what happened with Carlos and his lack of presence in this film.
If this is a true documentary about the band, and not "the Frankie show", they should have the other best friend and band mate to explain Kevin's side of the ten year rift between Frankie and Kevin. From everything I saw and heard, Kevin was cleaned up long before Frankie came crawling back, and drugs were not the only issues between them.
Banali is one of those people who refuses to look at his own problems, all while pointing his finger at everyone else around him. He was comparable to a nagging wife who wouldn't stop when enough was said. With Kevin that's like throwing gasoline on the fire. Hell, I barely have to say it, you can see him still bitching at a dead man for things he did in the '80's while trivializing Chuck Wright for his feelings about one of the biggest accomplishments of his life going by as a footnote. What a piece of work.
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the entire time I was watching it last night I kept thinking "what about the guitar player?" Carlos. Then at the end of the film they run into him briefly at some festival. But there's a postscript saying the filmmakers reached out to him numerous times for an interview and he never responded.
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Thought it was a great doc but it seems Dubrow was somewhat glorified during the film. His drug use was depicted but it's interesting how Banali mostly views him through rose-colored glasses.
Banali is an interesting guy but I wonder if I'm the only one who came away wanting to know more about Dubrow....what lead him down his destructive path....what were the years like for him after the 'hey day' of the band in the 80's?
"The future is tape, videotape, and NOT film?"
yeah would be interesting. I'd never heard of this film until I was going through the Showtime VOD list. I expected a history of the band. Didn't know until I started watching it really was Banali's story.
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Yes I thought it was interesting, without knowing the things you know, that Glenn Hughes made the observation that Banali was holding a lot of resentment toward Kevin for dying. Banali of course, denies this earlier in the film and then later but later (IIRC) tearfully berates Kevin for taking away his passion.
The omission of Carlos seems both glaring and lazy. This was a great documentary, but how much better could it have been with more voices to help tell the story?
Thanks for the personal insights, interesting stuff for sure.
It clearly says in the end that Carlos refused to do an interview.
sharePerhaps that needed to be more than a footnote? I apologize for saying lazy, that's an overly harsh condemnation on my part. But I've actually watched the doc twice (because it was that good, despite my criticism) and didn't retain that bit.
It's a bit of a contradiction. The artwork/poster for the documentary has Quiet Riot emblazoned across it under the title, and even says Quiet Riot Story. But the documentary glosses over large parts of the band's history (the lean years of say '85 to Dubrow's death) and doesn't include Carlos. It actually plays out as more of a chronicle of Banali's life and his relationship with Kevin. If it was more obvious up front that it was putting the focus on that there would be less room to complain.
Of course I understand the marketing reasons on why it was presented as such.
Sorry if I offended you.
Actually If you "get" the cover, I guess "paying attention" would be a better term, they are not "emblazoned" they are far away and in two colors. The other three members are in the past, young, as they were in the 80's and Frankie is forward, in full color and at his current age. They are the past that Frankie can't get "back" to.
shareMaybe you could stand to pay attention more yourself. I didn't say the members were "emblazoned". I said Quiet Riot was emblazoned on the poster, as the words "Quiet Riot" very much are. Those words are much bigger than the title.
In any case, I don't want to engage in any more negativity. Too often artists get bashed on the net and I apologize again if it came off that way in my initial post. On my subsequent post I was only trying to offer constructive criticism on whythe poster might have given the wrong impression to me. I honestly respect your work and think you made a tremendous film.
The title is Quiet Riot: Well Now You're Here, There's No Way Back. This IMDB listing has the title incorrect. The band is called Quiet Riot. So....??? Why wouldn't the name be emblazoned ? Anyway, :)
shareWhy shouldn't it be? Maybe because ... I don't know, it isn't the Quiet Riot story, but instead Frankie's story? The documentary is told from his point of view entirely. There's no denying that, despite how much you want to do so.
The odd thing is, you're such an open minded, easy going person ... I can't fathom why Carlos would decline to sit down and talk with you at length!
The omission of Carlos seems both glaring and lazy. This was a great documentary, but how much better could it have been with more voices to help tell the story?
Hi guys,
I'm glad you enjoyed the film. I just love filmmaking and discussing my film (and any film) I could discuss it all day. Much more than I actually have the time to do. I interviewed many of the bands former member and people in the music community that we ultimately didn't include. I could have made a much much longer film but we really needed to get as close to a 90 minute cut as was humanly possible.
I set out to make a film that follows one person as he tells his story and the bigger story that is the band's story. Straight "talking heads' documentaries as they call them don't do well in the marketplace or with audiences. Most importantly, I personally don't connect with those types of documentaries and so it just wasn't what I wanted to do.
I felt the film need a person the be the central focus and through his eyes we get a much more personal insight. He is the longest living member of the band and their archivist and historian all in one. Frankie is a powerhouse of emotion and he gave the film all it's heart.
I am very pleased and proud of how the film turned out. It's exactly the film i wanted to make and I am grateful that I didn't have anyone telling me how it had to be made. I don't know if I will ever have that much freedom on any other film in the future, not likely, so I appreciate that I had it on this one.
I hope you all enjoyed it. I am pleased with the response, and all the debate it sparks between viewers. ;)
Cheers and pass the pop corn!
R
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I hope you all enjoyed it. I am pleased with the response, and all the debate it sparks between viewers. ;)
Well a later reply but one of the things about this doc, and I did enjoy it a lot, was the commenters here who just don't read and keep making dumb comments about Carlos being left out as though it was deliberately done and ignoring the FACT he was asked and didn't want to and they just keep bitching about him not being in the doc.
What did they expect you to do? Hold a gun to his head and force him to be in the doc?
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I ran across it on demand one night. As a lifelong fan of the genre I thought the movie and the story behind it were excellent. I like the behind the scenes nuts and bolts stories.
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Two of the best parts revolved around the bass player.
The whole not getting proper credit thing and how he looks through the kids cd, then kind of argues with him I understand how as a musician that has to be tough. Not easy to make it in that world and you end up doing something that appealed to the masses then you're not given proper credit for it. That would be pretty annoying. It was still funny how they worked that in though.
The problems he kept having with his amp or bass or whatever right before the show started was hilarious too. They both felt so cliched. Like I was watching Spinal Tap
YES! I came on here because I wanted to say how much I loved Chuck Wright in this doc. His scenes were easily my favorite and I couldn't agree more about them feeling very Spinal Tapish.
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