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If you must find faults --

posted 10 years ago by vspm83
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Though it was a good movie which gives your money's worth, few questions are still left unanswered.

First question - In the very intial scenes, why did the terrorist had to run away as he was getting off the bus when the passesgers were being frisked for one of the passenger's stolen wallet ? Because if he didn't he could have easily gotten away after having been frisked. Was he carrying any weapon on him ? What was he thinking ?

Second Question - Whatever happened to the CCTV camera footages in which Virat is shown to have planted the bombs in the trunks of the cars ?

[–] suganth007 10 years ago

1. The terrorist knew the bomb was ticking so he had to escape.
2. Since Virat escapes so of course he's going to deal with it just like he finishes off the official at the end. I dont think this was necessary to be shown.

[–] koustav_net 10 years ago

1. If you had noticed the terrorist was carrying blueprints/ sims and maps of Mumbai along with him. So it was obvious for him to get panicked. And also the bomb was ticking added another reason for him to run.

2. The CCTV footage showed that Virat only parked those cars, it never showed that they had bombs. Only the main villain (forgot his name) knew that they had bombs in there. After killing them all, Virat was the only person to know that the cars had bomb, it was not a big deal for him to contain the situation then.

[–] ke_neth1981 10 years ago

1. If you had noticed the terrorist was carrying blueprints/ sims and maps of Mumbai along with him. So it was obvious for him to get panicked. And also the bomb was ticking added another reason for him to run.

Did anyone say panic? Remember they were dealing with seasoned terrorists. One of the main thing they are trained on, is not to panic. All intelligence agencies across the world are trained to keep their cool amongst other things. You panic, you blow everything off. Anyone who has seen 26/11 cctv footage knows how calm these terrorists are. Id only say since there was no hollywood movie to watch, I decided to go Bollywood and found myself at the epicenter of all kinds of crap served.

[–] bssgopi 10 years ago

Dude, don't be so cynical. They are not terrorists trained in some terrorist camps in some remote place in the world. They are amongst the common population, who are waiting to take vengeance against the society. And by the way, any first timer criminal would panic if interrogated. Only cold-blooded criminals may not.

I somehow think that you were judgmental about the film before it even began. You assume Bollywood can never be good, and hence you picked carefully only the flaws. Analyse the movie without the flaws, you'll find a masterpiece, benchmark setting thriller film. I don't say it is the best. But, amongst all mass masala movies made in India, this film has pushed the benchmark further up.

[–] ke_neth1981 10 years ago

After being fed on a staple diet of Hollywood movies, these flaws come glaring in your face, because their flaws, if any, are undetectable to the untrained eye.

They are not terrorists trained in some terrorist camps in some remote place in the world. They are amongst the common population, who are waiting to take vengeance against the society. And by the way, any first timer criminal would panic if interrogated.

The way Virat orders his men to exterminate them, it appears otherwise. He refers to them as 'sleeper cells'. Anyone who has the faintest idea what sleeper cells are, will know they are not common 'Hafta-wasooli' people picked up to be terrorists. If you watch the movie, you will know from their conversation, that this is a trained, seasoned outfit.

I somehow think that you were judgmental about the film before it even began. You assume Bollywood can never be good,

Read my first comment.

and hence you picked carefully only the flaws. Analyse the movie without the flaws, you'll find a masterpiece, benchmark setting thriller film.

Well, Id think technically, Kahaani and special 26 were much better and had comparatively less flaws than this. More importantly, it is because of people who support such films that these conceptually-challenged filmmakers do not use their brains to come up with a decent film. The western audience would never accept such junk films, so their producers have to come up with good films to meet the demand. The fault actually lies with us that Bollywood filmmakers never actually evolve.
Read this:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2556308/board/thread/230840942

I don't say it is the best. But, amongst all mass masala movies made in India, this film has pushed the benchmark further up.

if you compare it to other Bollywood films, then I would not comment. But when people mention only 'best ever', it takes into consideration, a much wider audience.

[–] koustav_net 10 years ago

Bro, you missed the main point in here. They were not trained terrorists, they were a part of Sleeper cells, common people who have some angst about the government or religion. The actual terrorists used them to fulfill their mission.

[–] vspm83 10 years ago

Yes, the terrorist did know that the bomb is going to explode. But the bomb did not explode immidiately after he got off the bus. There was some time between him being frisked (had he been) and the time of actual explosion. So he had enough time to easily get away without arousing any suspicions. And about the terrorist carrying the blueprints and maps, even if they had found it on him they would have had to discard it being his personal documents, for the passengers were only being frisked for the stollen wallet and nothing else. If anyone was carrying a document even in his bare hands, I don't think they would have asked him to show it to them what it says. (I am not much aware if the police have the authority to ask you to show them what kind of a document you are carrying (it could be very personal) and apparently, for as trivial reason as the above one.)

Your second point is completely taken. That was really edifying for me !

Thanks !!

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[–] ke_neth1981 10 years ago

To the OP, amongst a plethora of questions you should have asked, the main question, who was Virat reporting to? Whose orders? Or is even that not necessary to be shown, like someone pointed out earlier? Or was he acting on his own accord? He must have been part of a special unit called doasyoufeellike that very few people know about ;).

On a side note, when these same actors are interviewed on whats their favorite book, or whats their fav movie, they will go hollywood or point out a western author. Even they know the kind of crap they show. Perhaps its because they have no choice but to give the masses what they want to see. Then you have the answer, who is ultimately more full of s***.

[–] koustav_net 10 years ago

Every movie has its target audience.
When I watch a Kubrick/Tarkovsky/Kurosawa movie I might be nit-picking as I expect nothing short of a masterpiece as suggested by their body of works, when I will see an Argento movie I will probably look for some gore and horror/thriller elements, but when I will go to watch a typical action/entertaining movie (e.g. Taken/Hangover/FF or even a Transformers) I will just go and enjoy the movie, keeping aside all the artistic essence. Those movies are never intended to evoke any artistic feelings either, just pure fun.
Holiday too falls in that category. Holiday has its target audience (who, as a matter of fact completely adored this one), and you might not fall in that target audience section (and that is acceptable), but that certainly doesn't make Holiday a bad movie or in your words "full of s***" , rather makes your ability to comprehend with varied genres of movie questionable.

Just for citing an example, Hangover2 has scenes of the friend sleeping on the beach at Krabi and waking up at Bangkok which it self takes 10-12 hours to travel, but will I be making this an issue especially when I am watching a Todd Phillips movie, the answer is NO.

Same goes for an Akshay/Murugados movie. :)

N.B : Kubrick to me is the greatest ever director in world cinema, but that doesn't stop me to enjoy any light hearted comedy or a fun-filled action movie.

Cheers!!

[–] vspm83 10 years ago

I never intended this topic as a criticism of the movie. But, i couldn't help noticing these obvious goofs. As Akshay's recent movies lacked logic, i didn't expect anything different of this movie. You know, you can't help but to bring up the these doubts for they need to be quelled.

FYI, the movie was so gripping and well-paced that i completely lost track of time throughout the movie. That explains the level of my enjoyment in the theare. So it's definately strongly recommonded movie.

[–] ke_neth1981 10 years ago

That's exactly the point. Comedy or not, if logic is defied, it must be backed up with substantial explanation. There must not be any gaps that leaves the viewer guessing and doubting or groping for a plausible explanation. There are 'open-to-interpretation' movies which are produced with exactly that intention in mind, but then that's another genre that falls beyond the scope of mainstream Bollywood.

[–] ke_neth1981 10 years ago

If you had noticed, I am not targeting only this movie. I AM TARGETING BOLLYWOOD! I am only using this as yet another example that Bollywood uses its same grotesque cliched formula over and over again.

If you are going to go off the tangent by discussing about directors, then MOST of the NON-INDIAN directors have their own unique style which manifests itself through their works. Can the same be said about Bollywood? The very epitome of my angst is against the general public who readily gormandize on such farcical productions each day and the various producers who dish it out to them. My wrath is against the very stubbornness of the industry which resists and refuses to evolve while being completely aware of whats going on in the outside world. Its hypocrisy and its double-standards. Its like being surrounded by the great wall of China, standing resolute before any changes threading its path yet unable to completely circumvent it.

Just for citing an example, Hangover2 has scenes of the friend sleeping on the beach at Krabi and waking up at Bangkok which it self takes 10-12 hours to travel, but will I be making this an issue especially when I am watching a Todd Phillips movie, the answer is NO.

Agreed. Having said this....

Same goes for an Akshay/Murugados movie. :)

I would like you to I N T R O S P E C T, is it really the movie you are laughing at... or the movie makers? ;)

[–] GrandMasterrrr 9 years ago

You can't pick on minute flaws and call it a bad movie. It was a gripping movie, better most masala's dished out. Had a good story and nice action. I can pick up on many flaws from mission impossble which makes holiday look masterpiece, but would i get too sensetive on some small flaws. No! I enjoyed mission impossible, same way i loved holiday, both good commercial films with good story.