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Didnt some girl get lost trying this?


And a bunch of countries had to send their coast guards to search for her? They found her so good for her but at the cost of millions of dollars and hundreds of peoples time. We get it ur 14-16 and u want to do something cool and inspiring or some BS. But if this was my child they can keep dreaming.

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It was Abby Sunderland - the American girl who tried to break the same record as Laura Dekker right before her - and she didn't get "lost", her boat was damaged in a storm and although she needed to be rescued they didn't have any trouble finding her. As for the cost, according to the International Convention for the Safety of Life at Sea, any ship of any nation in the vicinity of a distress call is required to render assistance at no cost.

But if this was my child they can keep dreaming.
If it was your child, they would be incapable of doing this even if they wanted to.

Robin wishes he was me

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It was Abby Sunderland - the American girl who tried to break the same record as Laura Dekker right before her - and she didn't get "lost", her boat was damaged in a storm and although she needed to be rescued they didn't have any trouble finding her. As for the cost, according to the International Convention for the Safety of Life at Sea, any ship of any nation in the vicinity of a distress call is required to render assistance at no cost.


The fact that she had to be rescued at all clearly shows this is an activity which is much too dangerous to allow a minor to attempt. If she wants to put her life at risk once she's over 18 it's her own responsibility, but until that day her parents are responsible for her and putting your child in harm's way like this is child endangerment beyond any shadow of a doubt.
Also, that a ship is required to render assistance at no cost, does not mean that there IS no cost. Especially if the coast guard needs to get involved. And to make a private boat owner (or society as a whole) pay because you decided you want to prove how cool you are by doing something insanely dangerous is also morally reprehensible.

If it was your child, they would be incapable of doing this even if they wanted to.


Ah, yes, what a very intelligent remark. Because a person is responsible enough not to let their child put his/her life at risk needlessly, their genetic material must be of such low quality that a child of theirs would never even be able to do something as mind-numbingly boring as stare at a horizon for months on end. That remark clearly says more about your own intelligence (or rather, lack thereof) than it does about the OP.

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The fact that she had to be rescued at all clearly shows this is an activity which is much too dangerous to allow a minor to attempt.
Ridiculous. She had to be rescued because her boat was damaged in a storm not because she was a minor. Being 2 years older wouldn't have made her boat more resilient and so she would've still needed to be rescued.
If she wants to put her life at risk once she's over 18 it's her own responsibility,
Are you saying that they only rescued her because she was under 18? You don't think they would've rescued anyone who was stranded regardless of their age?
to make a private boat owner (or society as a whole) pay because you decided you want to prove how cool you are by doing something insanely dangerous is also morally reprehensible.
This comment shows just how much you know about her. If you knew anything about her you would know that "how cool she looks" had absolutely nothing to do with her endeavor.
Ah, yes, what a very intelligent remark. Because a person is responsible enough not to let their child put his/her life at risk needlessly, their genetic material must be of such low quality that a child of theirs would never even be able to do something as mind-numbingly boring as stare at a horizon for months on end. That remark clearly says more about your own intelligence (or rather, lack thereof) than it does about the OP.
Your arguments are not even consistent. First you assert that sailing is too risky and complicated that teenagers are incapable doing it safely and skillfully. Then you try to paint the activity as mind-numbingly simple. Which is it?

What I was trying to say was that just because one person has a child who knows nothing about sailing that doesn't mean that it is impossible for someone else's child to be extremely skillful in the same activity. Who cares what you would let your kids do or not do? We are not talking about your kids or even kids in general. We are talking about only one person - Laura Dekker. A person who before she even reached puberty had more sailing experience than 99.9999% of the world's population - adults included.

And I didn't mean to imply that their kids were genetically incapable of learning how to sail. Only that if you don't know anything about sailing, or if you do but never teach your kids anything about it, then chances are they are not going to have the skills needed to do what Laura did. I have no doubt though that if their kids were raised in the same environment Laura was that they would be just as adept as she is.

This is what people don't understand when they make the argument: "I wouldn't let MY kids do this - therefore it would be wrong for anyone else to let their kids do the same." Somewhere in the back of their minds they either think that all kids are created equal, or they are just trying to deny the fact that there are millions of kids out there who can run circles around their kids in any conceivable activity.

Robin wishes he was me

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Ridiculous. She had to be rescued because her boat was damaged in a storm not because she was a minor. Being 2 years older wouldn't have made her boat more resilient and so she would've still needed to be rescued.


So you do not believe that children should be kept out of harms way by their parents and should be protected against their own poor judgment? Now THAT is ridiculous. According to your reasoning pedophilia laws should be lifted, alcohol should be available for everyone aged 0 and up, etc., etc.
Until a person turns 18 they are their parents responsibility, and by allowing a child to do something so risky SOLO, they are needlessly endangering her life, which should be a criminal offense. To put it even clearer: Her parents endangered her life, without even having the decency to risk theirs alongside her and trying to keep her safe.
Once she's 18 it's her own decision to risk her life. But apparently you are a stranger to keeping children safe. You are probably one of those people who would hang a baby over the edge of a balcony, just like Michael Jackson did, just because it seems fun. Despicable.

Are you saying that they only rescued her because she was under 18? You don't think they would've rescued anyone who was stranded regardless of their age?


Now you're just trying your best to be a moron. Did I ever say she shouldn't or wouldn't have been rescued?

This comment shows just how much you know about her. If you knew anything about her you would know that "how cool she looks" had absolutely nothing to do with her endeavor.


The fact that she's trying to break a world record clearly shows that the ONLY THING that mattered to her was how cool she looks. If it was just about the experience the world record wouldn't have even factored into it, and she would've waited until after she had finished school, like a normal, responsible person.

Your arguments are not even consistent. First you assert that sailing is too risky and complicated that teenagers are incapable doing it safely and skillfully. Then you try to paint the activity as mind-numbingly simple. Which is it?


Boring/simple and dangerous are not mutually exclusive, you bleeping r*tard! Floating in a shark tank is simple as can be, but is it without danger? Screaming as loud as you can in avalanche country is simple as can be, but is it safe? Same goes for sailing an ocean. On most days nothing happens and you're bored out of your mind, but suddenly out of nowhere disaster can strike. Further more I never said TEENAGERS can't do it safely. NOBODY can do it absolutely safely. It's like a medical operation. There is always risk involved, and because of that MINORS SHOULD NEVER BE ALLOWED TO DO IT, BECAUSE THEIR REASONING SKILLS AREN'T FULLY DEVELOPED YET AND THAT'S WHY THEIR PARENTS ARE STILL RESPONSIBLE FOR THEM. Maybe if you force them to wait a little longer (like until they're 18) they come to their senses and decide not to risk their life needlessly. Some people...

What I was trying to say was that just because one person has a child who knows nothing about sailing that doesn't mean that it is impossible for someone else's child to be extremely skillful in the same activity. Who cares what you would let your kids do or not do? We are not talking about your kids or even kids in general. We are talking about only one person - Laura Dekker. A person who before she even reached puberty had more sailing experience than 99.9999% of the world's population - adults included.

And I didn't mean to imply that their kids were genetically incapable of learning how to sail. Only that if you don't know anything about sailing, or if you do but never teach your kids anything about it, then chances are they are not going to have the skills needed to do what Laura did. I have no doubt though that if their kids were raised in the same environment Laura was that they would be just as adept as she is.

This is what people don't understand when they make the argument: "I wouldn't let MY kids do this - therefore it would be wrong for anyone else to let their kids do the same." Somewhere in the back of their minds they either think that all kids are created equal, or they are just trying to deny the fact that there are millions of kids out there who can run circles around their kids in any conceivable activity.


You did not make this clear in your first post. You wrote it like you were simply trying to insult the other poster, which is why I misinterpreted it.
But still, it doesn't matter how skillful a child is. Apparently this is something you are incapable of understanding (usually only children and pedophiles don't understand this distinction). A child is not an adult. It's brain isn't fully developed yet, and it's because of that that it's parents are responsible for it by law. This is a very good law. It should prevent parents from allowing their children to take insane risks, like sailing around the world solo in a tiny sailing vessel, or swimming with great white sharks, or wrestling alligators, or free climbing a skyscraper or any other insane activity. If your child wants to do any of these insane activities, it's your job to prevent them from doing so until you no longer can, i.e. when it turns 18. If you don't, you are a bad parent who is putting their child's safety at risk. I don't think I can make it any clearer than that.

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Stop applying US age laws on rest of world

At 15 she was of age in Holland the courts could not compel her to stay. At age 16 in Holland she is legally able to marry/own/do whatever


US has draconian quaker/pilgrim based age restrictions for over 200 years.
A very right wing conservative puritan nation

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Thank you! Not only do many of my countrymen assume that the entire world is the United States, they often assume that the entire world is California. God bless California, but it isn't the whole damn world.


I disagree with you, but I'm pretty sure you're not Hitler.
- Jon Stewart

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they often assume that the entire world is California.


Surely “they” must be native Californians? Because who else in the U.S. would assume the entire world is California?! People elsewhere don’t give a fudge about California. So now it sounds like you are the one with the myopic view.

Your film gods: Lee Van Cleef and Laura Gemser
http://tinyurl.com/pa4ud44

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Let some guy from Kansas say that a sixteen year old girl is hot, hell even "cute," and people from Oklahoma and Hawaii and several other American states with an age of consent set at sixteen will start yelling about how he's a pedophile, how he's breaking the law,* how everybody but everybody knows that nobody is legal even one nanosecond before her eighteenth birthday.

Because that's what the AoC is in California, where much of out movies and TV come from. And several other things are assumed to be just like Cali. It's known as "socalification" or "californication." Look it up.

In particular, look it up before making accusations.



I disagree with you, but I'm pretty sure you're not Hitler.
- Jon Stewart


* Actually, saying "she's cute" or "she's hot" is not illegal, no matter what age "she" is. If "she" is very young it might be kind of creepy, but "creepy" and "against the law" are two different things.
Even in California.

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I’m sure you’re an expert on the age of consent in the Netherlands, too.

Your film gods: Lee Van Cleef and Laura Gemser
http://tinyurl.com/pa4ud44

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No I'm not, but there is this wonderful new invention which allows people to look up information on any subject. It's called "the Internet." A touch of my awesome (average) skills in using this invention (sometimes called "google-fu") tells me that the AoC in the Netherlands is sixteen. I didn't know that until just now, but it took less than a minute to find out.


I disagree with you, but I'm pretty sure you're not Hitler.
- Jon Stewart

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I’ll bet you enjoyed looking that up, too.

Your film gods: Lee Van Cleef and Laura Gemser
http://tinyurl.com/pa4ud44

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Not really. I've been following the Olympics, and this bit of epic-level google-fu was a distraction.


I disagree with you, but I'm pretty sure you're not Hitler.
- Jon Stewart

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She accomplished more at 14 than you ever will, bro.

And she didn't get lost. You can't hold her accountable for other people's mistakes. That'd be like saying "Well, some 35 year olds get into car accidents, so we won't let any 35 year olds drive cars."

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"Pride is not the opposite of shame, but its source. True humility is the antidote to shame."

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