This film is obviously Christian propaganda intended to spread Christianity, yet it ironically backfired: it made it clear to me that religions dwells with the beauty and fulfillment you feel when you choose to believe. But certainly not from logic. Strongly reminds me of The Life of Pie.
shareI feel bad for you and other unbelievers cause you firmly believe there's no God and therefore no afterlife. Which means you have a great fear of death and also firmly believe you will never see your loved ones again that have died. It's really sad.
1, 2 Freddy's coming for you. 3, 4 better lock your door.
Which means you have a great fear of death
you will never see your loved ones again that have died. It's really sad.
Actually I am a believer who chooses to believe. This being said, I do not appreciate religious debate that would distract attention from my original purely factual assertion: God cannot be explained with logic, its existence stems from the positive feelings or attitudes it arises in people.
unbelievers cause you firmly believe there's no God and therefore no afterlife.
Which means you have a great fear of death
Saying that, Hell sounds like it'd be one non-stop party somewhere warm so that might be fun
The Devil wants to torture you forever and ever.
This...
I think anyone who actually believes this is nuts.
The Devil wants to torture you forever and ever.
I feel bad for you and other unbelievers cause you firmly believe there's no God and therefore no afterlife.
you have a great fear of death
firmly believe you will never see your loved ones again that have died. It's really sad.
I feel bad for you and other unbelievers cause you firmly believe there's no God and therefore no afterlife. Which means you have a great fear of death and also firmly believe you will never see your loved ones again that have died. It's really sad.
At least I tried. I think it's funny that you athiests spend time on a board of a pro Christian film and also seem to like to make fun of Christians. It's really God/Jesus you're making fun of and rejecting.
"1-800 Spank me? I know that number." Scott Calvin, The Santa Clause.
At least I tried.
I think it's funny that you athiests spend time on a board of a pro Christian film and also seem to like to make fun of Christians.
It's really God/Jesus you're making fun of and rejecting.
No. Of course I am not God. But when someone refuses to believe in God/Jesus they are rejecting God/Jesus. It upsets me as a Christian to see people say that the Devil is the good guy and God is the bad guy. Anyone who says that is foolish.
"1-800 Spank me? I know that number." Scott Calvin, The Santa Clause.
Of course I am not God.
But when someone refuses to believe in God/Jesus they are rejecting God/Jesus.
It upsets me as a Christian to see people say that the Devil is the good guy and God is the bad guy.
most of the atheists here on this board believe that a person named Jesus did in fact exist (I think there's only one atheists user here that disagrees)
But when someone refuses to believe in God/Jesus they are rejecting God/Jesus.
It upsets me as a Christian to see people say that the Devil is the good guy and God is the bad guy.
I do not endorse religious bashing on any circumstances whatsoever, yet this time I would say you (and not I or anybody else) have prompted this tone of conversation. I understand it’s more christian to end this discussion with a kind and compassionate message, rather than fighting back or belittling atheists for debating on a pro-christian film – which happens to be anti-atheist as well. I have never seen anybody change sides due to a real world religious debate - in contrast to this film fiction where the whole class uninamously challenged the professor’s stance.
shareAt least I tried. I think it's funny that you athiests spend time on a board of a pro Christian film and also seem to like to make fun of Christians. It's really God/Jesus you're making fun of and rejecting.
It's really God/Jesus you're making fun of and rejecting.
I feel bad for you and other unbelievers cause you firmly believe there's no God and therefore no afterlife. Which means you have a great fear of death
I feel bad for you and other unbelievers cause you firmly believe there's no God
and therefore no afterlife
Which means you have a great fear of death
and also firmly believe you will never see your loved ones again that have died
It's really sad.
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Cosmopolitanhobo likes 12 year old girls.
I kid you not, he said she looked great and defended her. On the wrong board mind you, but he's got a thing for Stewart.
shareShe's an adult, wtf is wrong with you?
shareShe looks like a 12 year old with an eating disorder, and she can't act. What is wrong with you?
shareWhat is wrong with you?
Let's just say I'm not a fan of people who run around calling other people pedophiles
WTF is wrong with you?
The above response wasn't clear enough for you?
obsession with the sex life of a young actress
allowed you to think that it's okay to casually call people pedophiles
he said she looked great and defended her.
Not sure what any of this has got to do with me or what I posted...
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If I could stop a rapist from raping a child I would. That's the difference between me and god.
Apologies Graham, it doesn't have anything to do with what you posted. Kurt's reply (which has now been deleted by admin) had a strange rant in which he accused another poster of being attracted to 12 year olds. Unsurprisingly he's been called out on it, hence the seemingly unrelated conversation that has followed your original post.
shareThis is what cosmo was defending on multiple posts.
http://www.celebzz.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/kristen-stewart-at-a-photoshoot-in-la_1.jpg
She doesn't even look like a woman. It's so strange, and he won't defend her on her own message board. You figure it out.
But these Brits do come from the land of 'Twiggy' the "model", so there might be a pattern.
'your god... want to spend an eternity worshiping such a petty, angry creature.' - CosmoHobo
This is what cosmo was defending on multiple posts.
Then deviates is fighting for Cosmo's virtue, which is worth the price for admission right there. lol
shareYou are aware that had I said something as inappropriate as that to you he'd have come to ?your defence. As would I if someone had done it you. What do you think is acceptable or appropriate about what you've done? I'm genuinely curious.
sharePointing out where you've been an @ss has very little to do with anyone's virtue other than your own, or lack there of.
shareNot really sure what needs defending about that.
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If I could stop a rapist from raping a child I would. That's the difference between me and god.
If I could stop a rapist from raping a child I would. That's the difference between me and god.
So you want God to micromanage everyone's lives. I don't.
Rapists end up in hell.
Imagine if a cop who found a rape about to happen took that approach.
"Well Ma'am, I am going to let him rape you, because I wouldn't want to micromanage everybody. But rest assured, I will punish him after he's done."
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If I could stop a rapist from raping a child I would. That's the difference between me and god.
Would you rather he be punished before he commits the crime? A minority report, perhaps?
Make no mistake; I'm all about prevention. But short of making it impossible for people to choose and thereby becoming automatons, what would you have God do? Maybe he should have given us some kind of inherent moral or ethical encoding by which we could logically guide our thoughts and actions. You know, some little "voice inside our heads" that tells us that hurting others is wrong...
Would you rather he be punished before he commits the crime?
Make no mistake; I'm all about prevention.
But short of making it impossible for people to choose and thereby becoming automatons, what would you have God do?
Maybe he should have given us some kind of inherent moral or ethical encoding by which we could logically guide our thoughts and actions. You know, some little "voice inside our heads" that tells us that hurting others is wrong...
If you saw a rape about to happen, and you could stop it, would you?
the rapist has no problem with rape.
I can't stop something that isn't happening yet,
but I know what you mean... Of course I would.
Perhaps the real difference between you and God is that you would make it impossible for people to do bad things.
Everybody has a conscience.
Of course you can.
Would you do so simply because it took your fancy? Or would you regard it as a moral imperative that you stop the rape from taking place?
Well I was focused on that one particular bad thing to make an example.
But certainly, if it were within my power then I would make it so that it was impossible for a man to rape a woman. If it were within your power, would you not? You are, after all, all about prevention.
This is doubtful; those with anti-social personality disorder are characterised as having little or no conscience.
The fact that different people can disagree about significant moral issues demonstrates that the conscience is not in fact some sort of universal guide to a consistent standard of right and wrong.
Maybe he should have given us some kind of inherent moral or ethical encoding
That's what s/he was trying to imply.
But the fact that people differ over opinions on morality demonstrates that it is not some sort of divine coding.
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If I could stop a rapist from raping a child I would. That's the difference between me and god.
That's what s/he was trying to imply.
Yep, I'm trying to get beyond the implications and have it flat out explained how she can reconcile the two things.
So you want God to micromanage everyone's lives. I don't.
I don't know what any of it has to do with you or anything you posted either, but the little shít put it in the reply he made to you, which has since been deleted. Apologies that you've somehow got caught up in this nonsense he's created.
shareYou defend her like a champ and you refused to take your argument to the Stewart board where it belonged, weirdo. You'll get no apology from me freak. You wanted a candidate discussion about Stewart and you got it. Including your motives and the jackass you rode in on.
'your god... want to spend an eternity worshiping such a petty, angry creature'. - CosmoHobo
You'll get no apology from me freak.
It's amazing that another poster is trying to sell the story, that they just happened to 'watch the film and decided it was propaganda'.
And then you expected people of faith to believe you.
Feel free to visit the atheist chat boards after wiping your feet on the Bible.
Atheist dishonesty stinks. Get a life.
Criticising this movie, or worse making fun of it does not equal 'wiping your feet on the Bible'. Quit the melodrama.
shareI'm still waiting to find out what/where these 'atheist chat boards' are. I guess that information is only privy to kurt.
shareI'm still waiting to find out what/where these 'atheist chat boards' are. I guess that information is only privy to kurt
"Atheist chat boards"? What are you babbling about? Atheist have their own chat boards?
Feel free to visit the atheist chat boards
You're not making any sense as usual Film.
shareWhat's not to understand?
You ask a question presumably forgetting the original statement was yours. I just wanted to help your memory along some.
I am not irrelevant. Arlon10
I just wanted to help
I already have a mom.
perhaps you should stop ridiculing people of faith
four separate boards now?
especially when I invariably attack positions and claims, not people.
Cyber stalking can be worrying can't it?
victims
More like self defense
Ridicule isn't attacking individuals?!
Please tell me that other Brits don't share your views or we'll uncover the true motive behind Brexit.
One click on a public button to view your comment history is "stalking"?!
Ridicule isn't attacking individuals?!
Not when addressing ideas and beliefs, no.
are the only one ever to complain that I 'ridicule believers'
non-Xian
For the others it would seem their faith is strong enough to withstand a little barracking.
During the Brexit campaign (since you have dragged this in for some reason) I did not take every Leaver's attack on the Remain position as a personal insult - and feel sure this would be the case for most balanced people.
I see that you are confusing sarcasm with serious concern.
How sadistic
Actually a large number of people of faith on IMDb have made the same observation that I made to you. But not to you directly
They regard you as a lost cause heading for hell
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Jesus wasn't a Christian either. Just a believer in God as his father.
I'm use (sic) to [the criticism of religious ideas].
you're a compulsive militant atheist
your faith in nothingness after death, because you don't personally see or recognize evidence of God existing. That's your hang up, and not a statement of reality by any means.
You can stop being delusional now
I don't recall making a big deal out of Brexit
I see no evidence that you have serious concern about anything, so I don't take you seriously in the least
I don't need evidence?
So it is kinder to attack a person than their beliefs?
And, hey they all use your favourite trope of threatening assured damnation, also very convenient
Even so the point stands: you are a non-Xian with a repeated need to defend the assumed outrage of those with whom you have one big, critically relevant thing not in common.
And as for comparing yourself to Christ: I am sure He appreciates it.
How is the ghost hunting and UFO-spotting going? Seen any demons today? Still watching cable TV, YouTube etc for news and scientific information?
And, since I do not advocate the violent overthrow of religion or consider it pernicious the regular definition does not even apply.
We are all entitled to our opinions and, as usual, I am not upset by yours of mine.
You need to work on correct term definitions.
for us all.
seemed to rule everyone on here out.
You're not representing anyone here or elected to office.
You have no audience here.
It applied to you, ham.
Says the man who considers anything said to him as being said to all Christians
You made your comments about Christians on your own. Don't blame me for your militant atheism.
Please try and keep your ego in check.
Ego kurt, no penis. Why do you always have to go down that route? We don't all live in the gutter you know.
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So it is kinder to attack a person than their beliefs?
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You do both, so don't attempt to segregate the two.
And, hey they all use your favourite trope of threatening assured damnation, also very convenient
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Maybe they're trying to tell you something.
Fried muppet
Even so the point stands: you are a non-Xian with a repeated need to defend the assumed outrage of those with whom you have one big, critically relevant thing not in common.
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Actually we all believe God exists
And as for comparing yourself to Christ: I am sure He appreciates it.
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Reading comprehension problem today? Did he introduce himself as: 'Hi, I'm Jesus the Christ."?
No comparisons were made ...
just as is the fact that you (an admitted sinner and non-Xian) are the only one ever to complain that I 'ridicule believers'
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Jesus wasn't a Christian either
muppet
What paranormal books were you bragging about on your shelves? lol.
No, Film has no interest in those subjects.
Being a militant atheist doesn't require resorting to violence
I am not upset by yours of mine.
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Oh but it sure sounds like it.
there is no human right not to feel 'insulted'
While that's true
According to you, if he feels personally insulted, then he surely must have been personally insulted
Indeed
You ought to have considered my actual reply in context, that
Indeed, it true that an insult is best witnessed and evidenced by those who perceive it, rather than those who deny making it
You ought to have considered my actual reply in context
QED.
While that's true, it doesn't necessarily mean that they were
Haven't you got anything better to do?
Think I could barrack your hypocrisy a little bit without being insulting?
I've already expressed a view about kurt being unable to substantiate claims he makes on behalf of others and that his own actions suggest a convenient outrage when he is on a hobby horse, railing against 'militant atheists'. So that leaves you. Do you feel insulted?
claims he makes on behalf of others
railing against 'militant atheists'
railing against 'militant atheists'
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why would I attempt to administer medicine to the dead?
Feel free to leave if you're bored.
shareWhen did I say I was bored? Oh, that's right, you're projecting again.
shareSo whining to her about me isn't an example of Film feeling insulted?
Numerous other people of faith made it clear on both GND & GND2 that the atheist rants are obnoxious
I'm well aware that railing does no good
To be honest I kinda expect the ad hominems and aggressive remarks I get from believers so it has none of the desired effect.
Well then best to try something else, as your present aggressive manner is a little tired.
Other then to bring you back to the boards again and again
Should I list all your comments and observations that get old?
Oh no, I come back to chat and be forced to think and defend my lack of belief.
In other cases I am here to be entertained and educated, as you know.
isn't it about time I was called a militant atheist or warned of the perils of judgement again by you?
defend your lack of common sense when you fry in hell.
you can learn something from this film
No extra charge for the education.
isn't it about time I was called a militant atheist or warned of the perils of judgement again by you?
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You're welcome. Come back for more.
The hypocrisy is in quoting me out of context for a "QED" then telling me that I should not have mirrored you. I guess you missed that.
shareThe hypocrisy is in quoting me out of context for a "QED"
then telling me that I should not have mirrored you
The bit where you agreed with me?
I then asked if you were 'insulted', since you assured me I was 'insulting people'.
then Kurt's thinking you were insulting him necessarily means you were being insulting to him. You can't have it both ways. Sorry.
He has it both ways daily on these chat boards. Mr. Teflon never owns up to anything.
He's the king of "I'm rubber.."
Yes; it must be annoying when I bounce back, every time ...
If there is anything tyred and run down it is the idea of deliberate supernatural believed without evidence.
I'm well aware that railing does no good kurt2000
Which is your way of calling people of faith idiots.
got it.
Your work is done for the day, so you can clock out.
See how I attack an idea and not a person while you don't?
'Idiots' is you, not me, speaking. It is, however, perhaps an unfortunate idea to put out there lol
I'm well aware that railing does no good kurt2000
He can't even honestly define his own beliefs.
you're an idiot for defending religion
He has it both ways daily on these chat boards. Mr. Teflon never owns up to anything. He can't even honestly define his own beliefs.
"I'm not a militant atheist! I'm an agnostic-soft atheist-open minded non-believer who rejects nothingness after death and rejects gods because nothing can be verified, but you're an idiot for defending religion".
And that's essentially his argument month after month, year after year with dogmatic repetition. As if someone didn't get the hypocrisy rants the first time.
I'm well aware that railing does no good
I am a soft atheist
first you claimed to be an agnostic atheist, then an agnostic soft atheistic, then a moderate atheist agnostic, then...
"I'm an agnostic-soft atheist-open minded/non-believer who rejects nothingness after death and rejects gods because nothing can be verified, but you're an idiot for defending religion". "
link, to where this happened.
Persisting with a straw man fallacy does not help your cause.
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link, to where this happened.
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It pretty much happened all over the place on this board from the first month you started posting here. I merely did the math and added up all the descriptive nonsense you labeled yourself with
You're welcome
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Persisting with a straw man fallacy does not help your cause.
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Lying on a daily basis doesn't help yours.
So, no substantiation. Again.
I have a feeling that I am not, somehow lol
Unless you can quote, or link to, where I have ever said
The doctors will say, there's nothing more than we can do. And you, the sniveling militant atheist will be begging God for forgiveness for all the nasty things you said about God over the years.
You'll realize that Kurt was correct, and that your soul released from the shell of the body is like raw meat tossed into the wolf infested forest when the demons smell the vulnerability of pigheaded atheism.
Here's the simply truth of what will happen in the future. At some juncture you'll be in a hospital bed. The doctors will say, there's nothing more than we can do. And you, the sniveling militant atheist will be begging God for forgiveness for all the nasty things you said about God over the years. And that's because you have even less comfort in believing that nothingness is wait for you after death. You'll realize that Kurt was correct, and that your soul released from the shell of the body is like raw meat tossed into the wolf infested forest when the demons smell the vulnerability of pigheaded atheism.
well...not my problem Muppet.
I wouldn't be surprised.
shareNo, first you claimed to be...
I didn't realize Film needed this much back up from you girls.
Ok...we'll assume you won't have to answer to anyone after death. Feel better now? Because manipulating existence is the most convenient cop out. lol
If you think I'm wrong, then why are you four girls so worried about my comments.
Nothingness awaits you after death? Cross your fingers and whistle while you walk through the graveyard of mindless assumptions. lol
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The bit where you agreed with me?
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I'm not playing this game. I was pretty clear
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there is no human right not to feel 'insulted'
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While that's true
However, if thinking you were insulted by someone necessarily means they were being insulting to you, then Kurt's thinking you were insulting him necessarily means you were being insulting to him. You can't have it both ways. Sorry.
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The bit where you agreed with me?
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I'm not playing this game. I was pretty clear
Yes, indeedy:
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there is no human right not to feel 'insulted'
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While that's true
- you agreed with me. But if you think, now, that there is a human right not to feel 'insulted', then that is your prerogative. Do you?
However, if thinking you were insulted by someone necessarily means they were being insulting to you, then Kurt's thinking you were insulting him necessarily means you were being insulting to him. You can't have it both ways. Sorry.
If only kurt said he is lately insulted - or, more crucially actually gave an example of where I had personally insulted him, as has been asked - then I am sure this would not be all moot lol.
And the obvious point remains that not every claim of 'feeling insulted' ought to be taken as necessarily true. One can respect and understand the right of people to express this feeling, and to discover it best, but in some cases - especially where 'feeling insulted' is a theme repeated over and over, purportedly on behalf of others , together with defensiveness, rudeness and aggression, one naturally grows a little jaundiced by the end.
As it is, the suspicion is that kurt is just taking offence at everything that is convenient by way of argument, having nothing else to argue with, just wanting to express his general dissatisfaction with dissenting views on religion - something I see you are now happy to help him out with.
I didn't realize Film needed this much back up from you girls.
If you think I'm wrong, then why are you four girls so worried about my comments.
Nothingness awaits you after death? Cross your fingers and whistle while you walk through the graveyard of mindless assumptions. lol
manipulating existence is the most convenient cop out.
He's resorted to typing long essays to defend his bad behavior.
lol
He doth protest too much.
shareSo, no substantiation. Again.
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That's what I said when I asked you to prove that God doesn't exist.
In his Fourth Way Aquinas points out that we recognize that there are degrees of things. Some things are better than others; some things are shorter or taller or colder or hotter, etc… than others. And thus we rate them as good, better, and best. Yet, for us to have the idea that one thing is better than another, we must have a standard by which all things are measured and that can never be exceeded. Such a top or asymptote, by definition, requires an infinite being, hence it must be God. In the case, therefore, of non-existence there must be also be the greatest example. That would be God, who in idea is necessarily the best example one can possible imagine of non-existence.
Now this is where it gets interesting as there are some, like Kant who would argue that existence is not a predicate say, or we cannot have 'degrees of existence' by which to measure. (To which one answer is that God's existence is indeed of a different sort to the rest of things by several possible measures such as being existent and infinite, 'outside of time and space', or that while as Jesus-God, He was necessarily alive and dead at the same time as He sacrificed himself, etc) In which case we can make a similar argument that God would necessarily be the best of all creators of evil (something which He explicitly admits to in Isiah 45:7), even if just of the natural sort. But then 1 Timothy 4:4 tells us that everything created by God is good.
You should remember than one is only being asked to provide proofs, not proofs which necessarily wholly convince me outright, especially since as a soft atheist I admit I could be wrong in not believing in God's existence. But proofs of a kind there undoubtedly are.
So we have a possible proof for the non-existence of God through internal contradictions:
Evil was created by God as part of everything (Isiah 45:7).
Evil is not good.
But if God exists, everything He creates is good (Tim 4:4)
If existing evil is not good but part of everything, then evil is not good created by God.
Therefore God who only creates everything good does not exist as evil does.
there is at least one, clear, logical argument to be made: which is the Evidence of Absence (it is one which admittedly assumes that any proposed God is one which takes an interest and constantly involves itself in its creation - the only sort for which we can reasonably look):
Evidence of Absence is evidence of any kind that suggests something is missing or that it does not exist. For example:
When a clear, deliberate creator creates reality it would do so unambiguously and clearly.
There is no clear, unambiguous, evidence of a deliberate creator behind reality. (If there was you would have no need for negative evidence from me!)
Therefore, an unambiguous deliberate creator has not created reality.
Since it necessarily follows from the first premise that an unambiguous creator will prove unambiguous, upon observing that there is in fact ambiguity in creation as to the likelihood of a deliberate creator, we can deduce that an unambiguous deliberate creator did not create reality.
This argument is called modus tollens in propositional logic, and is written in sequent notation in this manner:
P ⇒ Q, ¬Q ⊢ ¬P
Per the traditional aphorism, "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence", positive evidence of this kind is distinct from a lack of evidence or ignorance of that which should have been found already, had it existed. In this regard Irving Copi writes:
"In some circumstances it can be safely assumed that if a certain event had occurred, evidence of it could be discovered by qualified investigators. In such circumstances it is perfectly reasonable to take the absence of proof of its occurrence as positive proof of its non-occurrence."
— Copi, pIntroduction to Logic (1953), p. 95
the education and entertainment that you've often attributed to me
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You mean go through a year's worth of your obnoxious comments to copy and post?
at some juncture you'll be in a hospital bed. The doctors will say, there's nothing more than we can do. And you, the sniveling militant atheist will be begging God for forgiveness for all the nasty things you said about God over the years. And that's because you have even less comfort in believing that nothingness is wait for you after death. You'll realize that Kurt was correct, and that your soul released from the shell of the body is like raw meat tossed into the wolf infested forest when the demons smell the vulnerability of pigheaded atheism... muppet
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Hey kurt, how many more people have written in confidence to you to say that they have been 'insulted'? LOL
I'm well aware that railing does no good kurt2000
. I've said all I'm going to say, and your convoluted responses just don't compel me to repeat myself.
Of course you were.
shareQED then and thanks.
I'm well aware that railing does no good kurt2000
Hey kurt, how many more people have written in confidence to you to say that they have been 'insulted'?
they have been 'insulted'? LOL
a film that has no true atheists, and doesn't even focus on true atheist arguments.
the average garden variety IMDb troll
Are you finally willing to admit that the film purposefully misrepresented atheism kurt?
How's life over on the Kristen Stewart board?
The professor was a former Christian - angry that God didn't spare his mother. That's not atheism by any stretch of imagination.
Since you're so dogmatic about that board and my involvement
Correct, so are you finally willing to admit that the film purposefully misrepresents atheism?
Don't think I haven't noticed that you still haven't answered this question despite the fact that all your explanations of it point to the film purposefully misrepresenting atheism.
If you want to troll fans of Kristen Stewart (essentially doing the very thing you accuse atheists of on here) all because her boobs aren't big enough to make her look like a 'real woman' then go for it.
your ability to act like a horny thirteen year old boy
calling you out on your misogyny
No atheism existed in the first place
No one cares either.
Her boobs along with her skinny body make her look like she's about 12 years old
Which means they'd like to mount a girl that looks 12.
Copy and post on that board where I said I'd like to fck her.
she's known for playing under aged girls
Stick your misogyny back in your pants and stop defending the perverts on that board unless you have a taste for jail bait.
FFS kurt. Watch the film, it clearly represents the professor, and others, as being atheists, up until the end at least. That's why it was purposefully misrepresented. You do realise that accepting the criticisms of something doesn't mean you can't like it anymore right?
She does not look like she's about 12 years old at all. That's only the viewpoint one might take if they're simply trolling others.
I really hope you're not accusing other of paedophilia.
thinks women need big boobs
Kate Upton
I can't think of any films, at least that I'm aware of, where she's played 'under aged girls'.
hate filled bigot
you're clearly trolling fans of someone you have issues with
None of them said they were insulted
They simply agreed that militant atheists must have psychological problems to be so butt hurt over a film that has no true atheists, and doesn't even focus on true atheist arguments
Once again Muppet ...
the professor was not a true atheist. He was just some jasper with an anger mismanagement issue.
Because insulting people's beliefs and convictions is funny "entertainment"
I have no idea what separates you from the average garden variety IMDb troll that's simply here to sling mud and jerk off.
Still waiting for the proof that God doesn't exist.
To exist is to occupy space and time.
Deity does not occupy space and time.
Therefore, deity does not exist.
If God exists He must be all-knowing (omniscient)
God cannot know things which He doesn't know He doesn't know.
There God is not omniscient.
If something which must be all-knowing cannot be thought of as existing, then we cannot think of God existing.
I hope that helps.
I admit that my lack of belief in God could be wrong
which I might find irrefutable.
How about that?
And she's basically a bad actor.
If I was a fan of a 15 year old rapper, and I obsessed about her on an IMDb board, what would you honestly conclude.
Copy and post where I ever said that large boobage is a virtue of womanhood.
Raquel Welch anyone? Hello?
Geez cosmo, I think it's easier to list films where she played females over age 18.
Explain how I'm a bigot. I don't care that you're gay.
I was just passing through the Kristen Stewart board
I'm telling you, there is a paedophilia attraction that her groupies have for her.
since you didn't want to join the discussion there
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To exist is to occupy space and time.
Deity does not occupy space and time.
Therefore, deity does not exist.
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That makes no sense.
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If God exists He must be all-knowing (omniscient)
God cannot know things which He doesn't know He doesn't know.
Therefore God is not omniscient.
If something which must be all-knowing cannot be thought of as existing, then we cannot think of God existing.
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Atheist assumptions, which are baseless.
You can't know God if you don't even believe God exists.
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I hope that helps.
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no
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I admit that my lack of belief in God could be wrong
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Then why are you going from board to board, thread to thread, whining about it and picking fights?
which I might find irrefutable.
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You offer no irrefutable[my emphasis] proof
your views don't exist, other than in your own mind.
You've established nothing
Please point to which sentence does not make sense.
I have established that proofs of a sort can be made out
Unless of course you take your ideas out with your teeth each night and keep them in a glass next to your bed.
LOL Like cosmo says...you have no self awareness Muppet.
Because it's a badly written film.
I disagree there. I may not have seen a lot of her films but she's fine
Point is though Kristen Stewart isn't 15, I've checked and she's 26. so not even close to being 15.
Still trolling on there are you?
Let's imagine for one second that I did. How long do you think it would be before you started going on about how I was following you around, what with your inflated ego?
I don't care about Kristen
You were given a trailer to view before seeing the film
Why do you keep bringing your Stewart argument to this board, stupid?
Then go dry hump her leg.
Why do you think I care what you think about her?
Why do you care what I do? No life of your own?
YOU'VE ALREADY BEEN BUSTED FOLLOWING ME INTO THE STEWART BOARD, BECAUSE YOU KEEP ALLEGING TO QUOTE MY COMMENTS FROM OVER THERE, YOU IDIOT!!!
Then why do you keep blathering on about her?
Here's your problem. You keep thinking you're going to teach me a lesson.
ranting
You're an idiot.
What else do I do that makes you mad
Don't you think it's time for you to find a girlfriend
Is there any other IMDb member that would disagree with what I just typed?
We've been through this before kurt, I know you have a terrible memory but it's getting ridiculous now.
that you think fancying a woman in her mid 20s makes someone a paedophile.
have the slightest idea about my life?
that would disagree with most of what you type as it happens.
Don't even attempt to lie your way out of it. You've made it clear that you followed me to the Stewart board,
That's stalking.
And you still have no self awareness.
I said she looks like a 12 year old girl. I never said she looked mid-20's
There are about 8 males on the Stewart board that defend her and worship her. The rest thinks she stinks. You're projecting again cosmo.
Let's cover it one last time then. deviates, at least I think it was, made mention of you trolling on the Stewart board, so I had a little peek.
I still see no proof that God doesn't exist
Maybe a year ago, you should have simply said, 'I don't know if God exists', and then you could've saved yourself all this unpleasantness.
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I have established that proofs of a sort can be made out
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Which only makes sense in your imagination.
you never ridicule people of faith. Nope, we don't see that anywhere
But those who 'pick fights' are most likely to be the aggressively defensive posters who serve up personal insults as routine. They can ruin it for everyone, can't they? ... Muppet
Which is odd since you commented on the three or four that I posted just a short while ago.
thin-skinned as always I see, when it suits
You offered no irrefutable proof that God doesn't exist.
You were simply asked to produce the proof
not irrefutable proof.
Don't you love me anymore?
Not in the messages to which I replied to EG that on Dec 14
Still waiting for the proof that God doesn't exist.
That's what I said when I asked you to prove that God doesn't exist.
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Don't you love me anymore?
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apparently your unrequited love is cosmo.
Oh dear; I hope you are not now joining the long line of faithists who have personal issues with homosexuality -
Does He condone homophobia?
I'm well aware that railing does no good kurt2000
I doubt it.
"I've not judged whether anyone is a person of faith or not..." - deviates
Seems like you're suggesting people will turn to God in their most desperate and irrational states. I thought you had a higher opinion of religion than that, Kurt.
Even if what you said were true, and it may well be for some atheists, it says nothing about whether your God is real or not.You sure you're not projecting your obstinance on to others? You seem awfully sure of something you have absolutely no way of knowing.
Did you forget to write a reply?
share"I've not judged whether anyone is a person of faith or not..." - deviates
Your hypocritical views are the reply, you dope.
Then you still don't understand your own signature. What you quoted doesn't show me questioning whether someone is a believer or not.
share"I've not judged whether anyone is a person of faith or not..." - deviates
Actually you judge people of faith on a daily bases, clueless. Even when I put your judgmental comments right up next to the signature, you're still blind, deaf and dumb.
You still have questions on the other GND board to answer, since you have so much time on your hands today.
And once again you show your problem with reading comprehension.
"I've not judged whether anyone is a person of faith or not..." is not the same as "you judge people of faith". I could argue the second statement, but at this point there's no need. You've shown you can't read a simple sentence.
"I've not judged whether anyone is a person of faith or not..." is not the same as "you judge people of faith".
Your 'judgement' comment is called irony
You've judged people of faith on this board since this film came out in 2014
You've questioned whether I believed in God
you've questioned other people of faith as true Christian
you've questioned every victim that you've attacked on this board and every other pro-Christian film board
You clearly don't understand it, even after explanation.
You' need to explain what you mean by 'judge', because I've done far less of that than you have of atheists.
Nope. Strike 1
Er, that you doing that! Strike 2
then when I've called you out for being the @ss you are you suddenly get all tetchy and make it out I'm the worst.
Strike 3.
and now apparently your ratings of movies are of no worth, not even to you.
I clearly understand..
Why don't you invent your own explanation and post that?
No idea what that means.
Oooh strike three. I'm out. Which means you're not going to rant at me anymore?
No idea what that means either.
No idea what that means either... But I copied and pasted his list from yesterday, so he got busted
Be honest please kurt, did you church request that you stop claiming to be a Christian because you're such a hideously angry, unpleasant individual who gives Christianity a bad name, which judging by comments such as this is entirely probable?
which judging by comments
Are you sexually attracted to Kristen Stewart in her 'minor' roles?
"I've not judged whether anyone is a person of faith or not..." - deviates
idiot
I don't find Kristen Stewart attractive.
most of which I've never seen.
I think it certainly is idiotic using a quote, that you don't understand, made by someone who isn't me in order to reply to me and seemingly make a point in some way.
"I've not judged whether anyone is a person of faith or not.."
Liar. You did say she was attractive.
You defended a girl you didn't even know anything about?
Who said every comment was intended for you, ego trip?
You're an idiot to bring any of these topics to this board.
They simply agreed that militant atheists must have psychological problems to be so butt hurt over a film that has no true atheists, and doesn't even focus on true atheist arguments.
once again Muppet,
the professor was not a true atheist
Because insulting people's beliefs and convictions is funny "entertainment"? I've given you and your ilk a taste of your own medicine and you're still clueless. I have no idea what separates you from the average garden variety IMDb troll that's simply here to sling mud and jerk off.
The 600 atheists who wrote to me privately say this sort of thing can easily be made up.
and once again I forgive you.
not even a true Scottish one?
Since you have told me that you are not insulted personally and those who supposedly write to you never air their concerns so that one can read them, this is moot.
And as for insulting people standing as fit to be condemned.. have you read you own posts? LOL
Everything you type could be made up.
muppet.
not even a true Scottish one?
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Leave the Scots out it with you disparaging remark.
You've offended enough people this week.
That is totally untrue. Not only did 6 people PM me and say thank you, and so long, but they also aired their views on the GND and GND2 board
people of faith are just insects to you.
Why would you care if some people PM me?
I didn't write the laws in the Bible, Film
I know you want to blame me, but the Bible is very clear that if you don't believe in God, you won't be invited into the kingdom of Heaven. Be delusional about that fact as much as you want. Ask any person of faith if an atheist like you will get into Heaven, and they'll tell you the same thing I did.
Turning you back on God is a trip to hell.
Better take that message on board then.
I'm well aware that railing does no good kurt2000
However, if thinking you were insulted by someone necessarily means they were being insulting to you, then Kurt's thinking you were insulting him necessarily means you were being insulting to him.
even when, as he admits it does not apply to him while those who presumably are effected never say anything in public while kurt then says that he does not speak on their behalf! Go figure.
kurt then says that he does not speak on their behalf!
Actually I stated that I'm not worthy of calling myself a Christian. It was a statement of honesty
you made a joke out of it
Everything applies to me that applies to you.
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kurt then says that he does not speak on their behalf!
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I never said that I speak on their [Christians'] behalf
And a number of Christians on this board made it clear they didn't like your comments.
What was it you have told me only recently about 'over thinking'?
I didn't tell you that
I'm not entirely convinced that there is such a thing as "over thinking"
"Atheist chat boards"? What are you babbling about? Atheist have their own chat boards?
Whoever would have guessed that once again kurt has decided not to respond to a post that proves him wrong and shows up his idiocy and terrible memory with actual, observable evidence?
shareI'm still waiting to find out what/where these 'atheist chat boards' are.
IIDB turned into FRDB which is now a weight loss website.
I quite literally have no idea what either of those are...
nor do I have any interest in finding out
my initial comment was in regard to kurt's seemingly ongoing belief that only Christians should post on a film review board for a pro-Christian film
I understand his confusion. Obviously everyone has a legal right to comment on all IMDb boards. I've typed that obvious observation many times.
But my question for Cosmo, deviates and Film was simple. Why do these very average pro-Christian films bother them so much as to dedicate so much time and energy to slapping down people of faith? I just don't see how religion could be a threat to them personally.
Granted, the extremists are unsettling, but only hypocrites have public office in Washington. Even those people don't live by their sermons.
I've typed that obvious observation many times.
Why do these very average pro-Christian films bother them so much as to dedicate so much time and energy to slapping down people of faith? I just don't see how religion could be a threat to them personally.
Why do these very average pro-Christian films bother them so much as to dedicate so much time and energy to slapping down people of faith?
And on this board at least there are very few people of faith, usually just an angry and confrontational one who is an admitted sinner and not a Christian but who claims to speak on behalf of many
You ought to know that I have seen GND at least, since we have discussed details of it here.
I'm well aware that railing does no good kurt2000
I'm well aware that railing does no good kurt2000
'Protesting' is putting it a bit strong, isn't it? No,I didn't think much of GND as a film (though I am sure it makes a perfectly good vehicle for proselytizing for some) but those who made it were perfectly entitled to. The only thing to object to is the representation of supposed atheists - and since I remember you telling us that there are no 'real atheists' in the movie, perhaps you wouldn't disagree. But even there it is a work of fiction, so no one is libelled while I am sure there will be some in certain audiences who will think it an accurate picture.
I'm well aware that railing does no good kurt2000
Has he ever specifically said that?
After all, could it be that when he asks why you're here, it's not a rhetorical question?
Actually my only expectation is to debate about the film and I would love to read some fact based rebuttals. Instead, angry remarks is all I got so far. Which reinforces my assumption that mainstream christians are incapable of debating with people with different ideas. Why is it so hard for you to answer “another claim that the film is propaganda” without resorting to (unchristian) ad hominis bashing?
shareActually my only expectation is to debate about the film
This film board had over two years of kurt on it calling most people 'militant atheists' for disagreeing with him
This film board had over two years of kurt on it calling most people 'militant atheists' for disagreeing with him
corrected.
Manipulated
hypocritical
Did you get your lease renewed for board residency here this year, Film?
It must have been another kurt that I've read doing this, then lol
No but I like to keep an eye on you in case you hurt yourself.
you can't even keep track anymore
Thanks mom.
This film board had over two years of debate on it.
What exactly is your problem with this film,
are you a Christian?
I saw the film only 2-3 weeks ago, is that a problem?
I doubt you are seriously commited to them
Hobo: not that I don't appreciate your input but please allow me an uninterrupted conversation with Kurt and make my own impression about his wonderful contradictions.
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