Last movie, I watched Luke milk a sea creature for titty milk. The previous movie I watched the galaxy's studliest hero be a deadbeat loser dad. This Disney trilogy is an awful mess. JJ Abrahms ruined Star Trek - in only 2 movies, it was out of ideas and borrowing and stealing lines and moments from previous movies. What makes anyone think he can close out this trilogy competently.
Boycott it.
Completely disagree. The previous two movies were pretty good and fun and entertaining.
shareThe Last Jedi is the only Star Wars movie that ever actually put me asleep. Seriously--I actually nodded off more than once during the whole Casino Planet bullshit.
shareI seriously don't remember any of this forgettable movie. Maybe I fell asleep too, lol.
shareThat entire film was boring. So damn boring that I couldn't tell you the name of Benecio del Toro's character. I kept seeing people on this board saying "Holdo" and kept wondering: "Who the hell are they talking about?". I looked it up and realized they were talking about Dern's purple-haired character. I had completely forgotten about her and only remembered that "light-speed sacrifice". Nothing else.
Luke's scenes were boring. Yoda's speech to Luke was somewhat memorable and was the only damn moment the film felt reminiscent of Star Wars for me, to be honest.
That Hoth-rip off battle was boring. Hell--even the space combat was boring. I had actually forgotten that Phasma died in that film. NOTHING memorable about it...and I only watched it as recently as last year. LOL!
I need to grab it from BitTorrent to re-watch the horror fest.
shareBoycott all you want. It'll get $1.5 billion.
shareThe Last Jedi made 1.3 billion, but I think it killed a lot of the enthusiasm for the Disney made trilogy. I'd be surprised if it goes significantly higher than a billion.
shareI'm kinda using the prequel trilogy as a template. Not exactly, but close.
Phantom Menace - $1 billion
Attack / Clones - $650 million
Revenge / Sith - $850 million
Force Awakens - $2 billion
The Last Jedi - $1.3 billion
Notice how Force Awakens and TLJ are strangely almost exactly double Phantom Menace and Clones.
Clones was also widely considered the weak film of the bunch, like TLJ.
If Rise of Skywalker comes out with stellar audience reviews (TLJ didn't) then it will probably get near $1.7. If it's around TLJ reviews then you could be right about $1.3 b or under. But as long as it gets ok reviews (audience) then $1.5 should be the ballpark.
I remember Clones being seen as a little better than Phantom Menace, though it had some huge flaws.
I don't think it was the disaster for SW that TLJ is proving to be though. Solo's failure had a lot to do with having to follow in the wake of that movie. I don't know any kids who are very excited about the new episode, either. Judging by toy sales, this is pretty widespread, not just my experience.
Solo was its own thing. The anti-SJWs want to claim its low box office was because of TLJ. But the reality is nobody asked for a Solo origin story. People were asking for Kenobi but not Solo. Then the directors got fired and Ron Howard was hired to do cleanup. The movie was a bad idea from the start.
Also, TLJ came after Rogue One and TLJ made $300 million more. The SW Story movies are separate from the tentpole films.
It doesn't really matter if Clones was better or worse than Phantom Menace. I consider Revenge of the Sith better than Clones, but not resoundingly so. And thats really what we're talking about here. Rian Johnson is gone. We aren't getting another TLJ. All JJ Abrams needs to do is make another Force Awakens and it gets $1.5 billion.
There's also something to be said for how well The Mandalorian is doing right now. I'd say most of the bad blood from TLJ has been washed.
Solo was arguably SW's most popular character. Certainly one of the top few.
Not buying your argument that what people really wanted is a Kenobi movie. A lot of people went to see TLJ, but a pretty good percentage of them left that movie seriously disappointed. Solo made less than half what Rogue One did, and I think following so closely after TLJ seriously hurt it. Characterizing TLJ's critics as "anti-SJWs", trolls, misogynists, whatever is just media spin.
I agree here, there was a huge fall out from TLJ, if solo came out before it , the BO would of been alot better
shareI was following Solo since its announcement. Not a single soul was hopeful for what Lord and Miller were cooking up. Literally nobody. Alden didn't even look the part, nor sound like him. TLJ obviously didn't help. But all the reshoot crap happened before TLJ.
If you want to say Solo might have made $600 million instead of $400 million if TLJ was better then fine, but that's still a serious net loss. The best argument you could make is TLJ amplified the doom of an already doomed project.
If TROS is solid , id say star wars takes an upward trajectory to better things and keeps the franchise healthy, obviously this will dissapoint some people on this board that seem to want everything to fail, i find it bizzare, who doesnt want to see good star wars content , kenobi could be huge and the casien andor show seems promising, the mandalorian is fantastic.
shareSure. Look at the success of the Mandalorian. It'll help a lot of it's a pretty good movie.
If it's middling, like Solo, or god forbid another TLJ, I'm expecting some box office disappointment.
Some of it definitely was post-TLJ fallout. A lot of it was also, I believe Star Wars fatigue. However, the film itself was quite terrible. I actually liked the Han Solo actor and felt he gave a decent performance (though, his character was written to be far too..."noble" for Solo).
For what it's worth, I actually highly prefer Solo after The Last Jedi. It's still an awful film but the actors were really trying in that one and it showed.
I can agree with fatigue. They moved Solo up by six months to give Mary Poppins Returns a Christmas release.
shareDisney thought they could turn Star Wars into the MCU by making some sort of SWU. Star Wars isn't the product to do that with.
shareNot sure how an SWU would be any different than the current SW universe that has existed for 40 years.
The reason the MCU was such an achievement is because of all the source material they had to draw from, along with Kevin Feige who had an eye for what parts of that source material would appeal to audiences.
Star Wars books and comics don't have the same track record. Drawing from old SW canon is just as risky as making up something new. And of course there's no SW version of Feige.
It IS different, though. The books are just that--the books. It's different when put to film. There is a certain...mysticism to the Star Wars films and it feels lost in translation by revisiting it yearly rather than spacing it out. Also, the MCU is far more coherent with its narrative. All the films are "going somewhere" together. With the Star Wars Universe, many of these films are all over the place in the timeline. There's no convergence like the MCU. The MCU had the convergence with Thanos as its lead up. All the entries were leading to a single point. With this "A Star Wars Story" stuff...that's not the case. Just scattered tales that existence just to existence. No cohesion. No narrative thread.
Books and films resonate/translate very differently.
What I'm saying is SW books don't have the same track record of audience appeal as Marvel comics. It can never be a reliable source material to make good SW movies upon. The MCU got it right because it doesn't have the burden of having to make stuff up all the time. Unfortunately, when creating something new, there's no way to guarantee success in appeasing older SW fans.
The people that criticize the DT don't understand this basic fact of reality. They want something that feels like SW... kinda like Force Awakens did... but they don't want it to feel identical to the original trilogy... kinda like Force Awakens did. JJ copied the original trilogy because it was an easy way to half appease the older fans, and create something that newer audiences can appreciate. It's easy, but it kinda gets the job done.
TLJ is an example of what can happen when they completely decide to do something new. It's just too risky. People are screaming to have Filoni be the guy because he knows Star Wars. But I'm telling you right now, if Filoni were to make SW movies, he would get the same criticism. It's either too similar, or not Star Wars enough.
I didn't get a sense of what was new in TLJ. Much of it felt like a watered-down retread of numerous things already don in Empire Strikes Back. What was new, exactly? That film was plagued with bad writing and horrible decisions for several character fates. "Hating the new" had nothing to do with that.
That Mandalorian show is something new and different and it's been met with a massive amount of praise from even many who hate the Disney sequel trilogy. Hell, even I felt more emotion from watching those Baby Yoda scenes on youtube than I ever felt for the entire sequel trilogy.
New isn't the problem--horrible writing is.
I'm not sure if new was the right word for me to use. It was more unexpected for the sake of being unexpected.
We were basically being told not to care about things. Don't care about Rey's parents. Don't care about Snoke either. Why? And how do we stop caring? The movie didn't give us a reason. It was also trying to suggest that perhaps we shouldn't necessarily support the rebels any more, but it didn't give a real reason for that either.
At least the big reveal in ESB that Vader was Luke's father knew that this was the direction they wanted to take it. In order to get there it had to square the problem that Obi Wan lied. To which Luke repeatedly asks why Ben didn't tell him, resulting in ESB being one of the biggest cliffhangers in history.
I thought it was OK. Certainly better than the TLJ.
There was some goofy stuff in there, mostly involving the SJW droid and that weird, romantic relationship she (it?) had with Lando. The movie wasn't dominated by that stuff like TLJ was, though.
I agree the actor who played Solo got too much flack. He had big shoes to fill and gave a solid effort.
I thought it was okay too. I came in with low expectations though so that probably helped.
Alden did a good job. He just didn't feel like a Han Solo. Next to Chewie he had his moments. When alone it just seemed like a different character to me. But still a decently acted one.
I agree , Solo was alot better than TLJ , i actually revisited TLJ at weekend , the first 5 mins are dreadful , the exchange between hux poe is cringe worthy , the milking scene embarrassing and lukes story arc unforgivable
shareThat's a bit optimistic, my friend. Many people are soured on this Disney Trilogy and with good reason. It WILL make at least a $1 billion, though. That much I can't argue. I doubt it will make more than The Last Jedi.
shareI can't wait for all the "Disney bought their own tickets again" accusations. Oh, it's gonna be a fun ride :)
shareI'm sure they have done that for at least some movies. I doubt they'll do that here. All indications point to them sort of "closing up shop" with the movie division after this to focus more on streaming trying to reconfigure their movie plans for a few years.
shareThey sure didn't do it for Solo. And considering WB didn't need to cheat to get Joker to $1 billion, I see no reason to believe Disney did it for any of their other PG or PG-13 films. Kinda sounds like wishful thinking from the haters.
Streaming could be the majority of the future but I suspect there will be new films with new writers/directors spearheaded by Favreau and aided by Filoni.
I've respected you as a poster for months and would appreciate if you don't lump all of us into the category of "haters". I hate these Disney Star Wars films and I do so as a passionate Star Wars fan.
You're better than someone who would just lump everyone in together like that. There is a very large faction of the Star Wars fanbase that is fed up with what Disney has done to these movies and I think many of us deserve better "the haters" label. Some are just there to hate, sure, but many of us love Star Wars.
I used the term haters because there are haters. I wasn't directing it at you or anyone on this forum.
shareThanks for clearing that up. :) This board is full of people lumping us all in the same category and acting like we're all trolls for questioning this movie, so sorry if I'm a bit on edge. It pisses me off to be called a troll for "daring" to criticize Disney Star Wars, you know?
shareRoot canal is far better--you get some fun pain pills to take your mind off it. No such luck with Disney Star wars trilogy.
This Disney sequel trilogy is a greasy turd that will leave a stink that won't readily air out for a long time.
I have to say that I am confused when I see people portraying JJ Abrams as some kind of saint, but Rian Johnson as evil. JJ is one of the worst directors in the industry right now. He has never made a good movie, ever. As you pointed out, those Star Trek movies were abysmal. The Force Awakens was also abysmal, so I don't understand how people seemed to like it but then to hate The Last Jedi. They are both reprehensible piles of dogshit. Now he is supposed to salvage the trilogy? He is the one who destroyed it in the first place!
shareI can't agree with u more. JJ made starships uncessary in Star Trek. In a similar move, in Star Wars you can also teleport anywhere and no War in Star Wars required. Thanks JJ, u completely ruined 2 beloved franchises.
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