It is not exaggerate, this could actually be very very awful movie. Could be bad story, bad characters, bad humour, bad coincidences, more old characters ruined...prequels were bad but even they did not ruin palpatine (he was best part)
But this movie might do all this, and will cost so much.
Correct. Anyone who hates the prequels is not a true fan of the whole original story line. Good or bad, the prequels are an essential part of it. The Disney trilogy is not.
You're correct, I misread your original statement above.
I probably should have assumed you were speaking from your own perspective when you said 'amazing' as being a movie with lots of pretty shiny things and loud booms, and not taken for granted that you were defining 'amazing' as an intelligently written movie with internal consistency, a gripping story & characters, executed to perfection.
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Exactly, I do think this movie is going to be, "an intelligently written movie with internal consistency, a gripping story & characters, executed to perfection." You don't have to agree, but telling me that I "alone do not define the box office trend," really makes no sense.
Actually, I comprehend what you said just fine. I was subtly pointing out the idiocy of your statements. You were saying it's not possible for me to think highly of the 3rd film in a trilogy simply because the 2nd one did not make as much money at the box office as the 1st. I was nicely explaining to you that I liked a movie. Whether or not it sets records at the box office is irrelevant to my enjoyment or opinion of the movie.
I think it's very sad that you allow box office trends to determine whether or not a movie is good rather than watching the movie and deciding for yourself.
Your initial comment was apparently, unbeknownst to me, based upon your your personal love for two ill conceived and poorly constructed plot-holes of movies, expressed and generically phrased as 'Or, it could actually be an amazing movie!', and carried the initial implication of Episode IX as possibly being considered objectively good.
I noted that your use of the word 'could' could, in fact, mean anything and nothing at all.
Then you proceeded with, 'Nope! Loved the last two, so I have no reason to think I won't love this one :-)', thereby implying that because you thought it was super, it was objectively 'super'.
Hence, my reminder that, 'One retard does not a short-bus make.' with my comment referring to your attendance, and that your opinion on a given movie does not, in fact, make the movie 'good' in any objective sense of the word.
Then you responded, then I responded, etc.
*yawn*
In conclusion, I find it sad that you're content to reward hacks of limited talent (and quite likely garbage human beings of dubious motives) with your money, your time, and your adulation - the world is a worse place for it.
Sorry to disappoint you, but I’m very happily married and we are both gainfully employed. Just happen to have a little downtime at work. Fortunately for you, I should be very busy next week.
You used a lot of big words and phrases to try to make yourself sound intelligent, but really all you did was insult me. Insulting someone who disagrees with you does not make you right, it just makes your argument weak. You can't argue that this movie will be bad because you haven't seen the movie. Actually, you haven't attempted to argue that the previous movies were bad, you just said they had to be based on how they did at the box office.
If you want to make a case, make a case. Attacking the person who disagrees with you might get you laughs in junior high, but when you get older, it's only going to make you look weak.
You think I used 'big words' in my response? Where are they?
I'll admit 'unbeknownst' is dated and pretentious, but 'big' . . . uh, no.
Actually, the real fun didn't begin until you laid down this line:
I was subtly pointing out the idiocy of your statements.
And now, you're playing the victim when I return fire? Classic!
In any case, if I cede your point that I'm both immature and uneducated, then I have an excuse for being on a no account movie website screwing around.
I mean, what else am I going to do with my time - I'm an idiot, right?!
But you, with your intellect, wasting your precious time screwing around on a movie website, when you probably have the education to be doing cancer research or resolving geopolitical issues in the Middle East, you're here spending your time arguing with people like me.
How sad that you are selfishly choosing to deny the world your gifts - or at the very least, deny your family your undistracted presence.
Anyway, enjoy your movie; and be sure to buy lots of merch, the team is losing their ass and needs your help!
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Expecting an intelligently written movie from Jar Jar Abraams is like expecting the sun to rise in the west. I bet dollars to donuts that the entirety of Episode 9 will be a feeble attempt to retcon as much of the shitfest that was The Last Jedi.
Now, now, I didn't precisely call you a retard any more than you precisely called me an idiot - but I will say, in view of our enjoyable exchange, that you're going to make some lucky guy a great ex-wife . . . that is, if you haven't already.
I would never allow a movie (good, bad, incredible or otherwise) cause me to question my life. I have seen some very powerful movies like "The Mission" and "Babette's Feast" (and countless others) that have given me things to think about. Then again, that was the point. But I would never allow a Star Wars movie to allow me to question my life. What kind of a sick statement is that?
George Lucas himself said that The Last Jedi was a "beautifully made film" after all. He said nothing of its plot or subject matter. He could only praise what deserved praising xD
They outline every single way Disney has insulted fans, Lucas and the material and I've agreed with nearly every complain they've ever made. And many MANY people agree with what they have to say.
What you perceive to be a troll group I perceive to be a group of deeply-impassioned fans who speak to EXACTLY what frustrates me about Disney's treatment of Star Wars. The box office drop from film-to-film more than illustrates that this isn't some "fringe minority" as people like you would like to spin--there is a seriously large amount of the fanbase that's pissed off.
People like you and some apologists I know off the internet are the ones I don't care to hear from in these matters. The defenses are shit and basically amount to: "So, you don't like it. Move on" and "Disney gave us a gift and you're disrespecting it" and a bunch of ass-kissing nonsense. You guys even go as far as to act as if it's somehow "wrong" to be hurt by what Disney has done or act as if being a passionate fan is somehow pathetic or this and that--blah blah blah--anything to demean those complaining in an attempt to trivialize criticism against these Disney treatments.
100% of the apologist complaints for these Disney treatments amount to: "I'm not obsessed with this series like you and can accept that things change. You're the problem. Not Disney." and that's that.
Well, I have this say: who are people like you to decide what is/isn't "acceptable" fan behavior? Who are you to decide that being a deeply-impassioned fan is somehow a bad thing/something not to be taken seriously? And that IS the gist of it: "Fans stuck in the past who can't move on" and "My life isn't tied into Star Wars, bruh!" and so on. That's it: all attempts to trivialize critics as "pathetic complainers" and so on. Look at the way you downgrade them all to this "troll" category. Who are you? You seem far more like a troll than them with the way you jump on every critic around here and act like you're the authority over what complaints are "permissible" or not. Acting like people should see the movie before voicing a complaint about aspects of it. Who died and made you that deciding factor?
You might want to consider opening your eyes and truly reading around the internet. Nearly every article about Disney Star Wars trilogy on the internet has mostly negative or, at best, divided comments sections. Who are you to decide that other half is "wrong" and you're somehow the right one all because you've decided in your mind what fans should/shouldn't be doing?
Dude i dont read into stuff , i watch movies and decide there and then if i like them , very simple ,i certainly dont trawl the internet listening to people like doomcock, im not saying Disney is perfect as a really hated the last jedi, but even if lucas would of written and directed the sequels they would still moan , it would be like indiana jones 4 , it just a no win situation
See, you're doing it RIGHT there in your reply. So many presumptions. So much application of YOUR view of how to approach a film and criticism. News flash: not everyone thinks and reasons as you do and your approach doesn't somehow have more validity just because you're not being negative.
Yes thankyou for these points. These people think because they do not care enough about something, that others should not care too. It is silly reasoning. They just think we should accept crazy decisions, just because. Very strange.
Yep. So far, 99% of the Disney Star Wars trilogy defenses are: "I don't invest in movies that much to care" and "Stop complaining and watch something else then!" and "It's just a movie, bruh!".
All that shows is that the majority of the people defending this garbage trilogy are people who admittedly don't give much of a damn about Star Wars and are watching just as casual fans. That then leads us to the final point here: what right does a casual fan have to tell a hardcore fan how they "should" feel about a franchise?
99% of them will vanish without a trace once this movie premieres and all the leaks are proven to be true. Happened all the time on IMDB and now that idiocy continues here.
Jesus christ grow up , just because people like it theres no need to be so hyper critical, if you dont like it fine , go talk about a film you do like and stop acting a dick for 11 seconds
This guy acts as if we can't possibly know the return of Palpatine is stupid unless we see the movie.
If you're fundamentally against the return of a character (and the fact that said return of said character invalidates the first six films of the saga) then seeing the movie won't change that.
Funny how he tells you to grow up after essentially telling you to stop complaining and only post about movies you like. This guy doesn't seem to grasp that this is "Moviechat" not "Disney Star Wars Fans Forum".
This guy is all over every one of us who criticize Disney Star Wars and even tries to marginalize us all as "a small group of trolls, nothing more".
I find it amazing that there are still apologists out there who can't see how divided the fanbase is right now. I guess those massive box office reductions from Last Jedi and Solo were "just something else".
There you go. If that destroys the movie for a person then why must they "watch it first" as you suggest? If a person is fundamentally against a major movie decision and all its trickle-down effects it causes by even EXISTING then seeing the movie isn't going to change that.
I hate all the sequel trilogy characters. I've hated them for two movies now. Am I going to magically like Super-Rey, Idiot Finn, Dry Toast Poe and Angsty Ren this time?
I am fundamentally against the return of Palpatine because of what his return means for the first six films. Why do I need to see that idea play out on screen if I'm already against it?
But it's OK for you to be hyper critical of people who don't like this movie? I don't see dozens of people replying to all your praise posts, telling you to shut up but you're here, acting like a forum Nazi to anyone complaining about this, shooting every word they say down.
As the other guy stated, this is a discussion forum and Disney has polarized the Star Wars fanbase. If you can't handle the massive amount of people pissed off by Disney then maybe discussion forums aren't your thing. This isn't a fan site. People have different opinions from you.
Hey! You're one of those Russians who have been subversively spreading negative posts about the Star Wars movies on the internet to diminish an iconic American phenomenon. You just want us to become disenchanted with our heroes and lose hope so that when you invade, we won't have the heart to put up much resistance. You gave yourself away by how you utilize the English language. Don't take my word for it everyone. Just read the original post with a Russian accent and judge for yourself.
You'll never take Star Wars from us, you commie bastards! NEVER!!!!!