How Is Rey So Powerful?


Think we will get an explanation?

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The D&D films will cover it.

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D&D are cancelled

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You better tell them that, before their 2022 release date arrives.

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so its a plothole with no explanation ? just a powerful female, just because

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Dude STFU...Luke got super-powerful with about a week's worth of training in ESB. He blew the damn death-star up with about an hour's worth of training on the Falcon and was able to move a light saber with his mind and kill a wampa with just that same one hour Ben trained him. So just shut up and get over it you pansy....

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The Mary Sues don't like to be reminded of facts like that.

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Plus the Rebellion tossed Luke, a man Leia just met, into an X-Wing he'd never flown before, and no one there has seen him fly nor do they have any reason to believe he can since he's been a stowaway on Han's Falcon the whole time... keep in mind Luke has never been in a real battle, and is a farm boy with zero combat training (unlike Rey who has been defending herself for years)...

Why did they toss him into an X-Wing? No one knows. I laugh at nitpickers of the modern Star Wars because they refuse to see how sloppy the originals were, mostly A New Hope of course, and then the Rey-haters stay as blind as possible to how she's actually portrayed, and to follow that up, they hand-wave into oblivion any facts showing Luke being an obvious shortcut character who just explodes with abilities and powers at the drop of a hat. Everyone just immediately believes anything he says because they just KNOW he's so pure of heart!!!

If Rey had been Ray, a male character in 1977, and Luke was Lucia or something in a 2015 Star Wars sequel, then the nitpicking would be even worse because Rey was outlined and handled much more realistically than Luke was.

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frogarama is both, a woman and a man..... transgender.
And it's angry that it can't get into the military to sponge of the pay and benefits.

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X-Wings are really user friendly and the controls are so intuitive.

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X-Wings are really user friendly and the controls are so intuitive.

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It was established decades ago that Luke flew a T-16 Skyhopper on Tatooine, which not only was built by Incom—the same manufacturers of the T-65 X-Wing, but Luke practiced shooting wamp-rats with it in Beggar’s Canyon, as he wanted to join the Academy and become a star fighter pilot.

Luke already was an excellent pilot and is no where even close to Mary Sue Rey who picks up a lightsaber and aces Jedi-trained, Snoke-trained Kylo Ren.

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WTF are you talking about, "no-one there has seen him fly"? Biggs was there, an old friend of Luke's, and Biggs personally vouched for Luke to their commanding officer. Remember?

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Luke was already chosen, suited up, and heading to his x-wing when this happened.

The fact that a character with authority is questioning Luke's unknown abilities is completely counter to what you wanted to demonstrate here.

I have done all my homework on this issue. I have SPECIFICALLY seen Luke praised and Rey bashed for the exact same things.

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Considering that I just checked your profile to see if you'd been active lately, and I saw your most recent reply on a Bond board insulting/flaming someone who said Brie Larsen could be a Bond, I think I know why you haven't crawled back here to accept how wrong you were.

Because it seems you're one of those committed misogynists.

Figures. I don't expect you to return here. Run away, little boy.

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There is a deleted scene from the theatrical release of Star Wars in which the rebel leader expresses some skepticism over whether Luke can fly an X-wing. But Biggs Darklighter, Luke's friend from Tatooine, vouches for him.

LEADER: You sure you can handle this ship?

BIGGS: Sir, Luke is the best bush pilot in the Outer Rim Territories.

Apparently, when the scene was added to the 1997 special edition, they left off even more dialogue where one of the rebel leaders reveals he knew Luke's father. This has probably been retconned out of existence, but it would provide another reason he trusted Luke's abilities.

There is another scene added from the radio play that justifies the rebel leader's decision. Luke is made to fly in a simulation to prove his worth.

"Leaving Leia to pacify an enraged Han, Luke joins Biggs Darklighter, who tests his flying abilities using a flight simulator. It is revealed by Commander Willard that Luke was only "killed" twice, despite Biggs pitting him against the virtual equivalent of the entire Imperial Starfleet. (Whether Willard was actually exaggerating or not is left for the listener to determine, though regardless Luke does well enough that the Rebels are willing to put him into a starfighter for the assault.)"

As for why Luke was such a good pilot to begin with, I think the example of Luke's father Anakin is illustrative. In The Phantom Menace, Anakin jumps into a Naboo starfighter with R2D2 and is able to fly it because he has experience piloting racing pods. To at least some degree, it appears that flying land crafts on Tatooine prepares one for piloting small speedy starfighters. Keep in mind that Luke also has an astromech droid and targeting computers to fill in the gaps in his knowledge.

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Its ok Frog keep pushing your hatred towards Luke while simultaneously ignoring Reys absolute Mary Sue writing. Very definition of an SJW.

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Excellent, yes.

I never intended to claim that Luke is excluded from being a good pilot, obviously, but even the ones who support him and bash Rey don't know the kinds of things you state here, and they also always demand it be shown onscreen, not "filled in" offscreen.

As shown in the movie, he is trusted by people who have no reason to, because all the little backstory tidbits are eschewed and Lucas KNEW no one would even bother to wonder... THIS is the nature of fantasy and sci-fi! PEOPLE HAVE SKILLS! They do things. They know things.

Only what they learn during the movie is going to be shown, of course.

Rey's background is obvious: She has spent like 20 years doing odd jobs on Jakku, fixing ships, she probably built her land speeder, she very likely has piloted people around Jakku for money.

As she says, she is a pilot, and in Star Wars, there is NO reason to doubt that because piloting is like driving is to you and me in our world.

The fact that haters DEMAND some kind of onscreen explanation for her piloting "skills" while ignoring it for males is a perfect example of sexist double-standards.

No one who watches Star Wars A New Hope sits there going "HOW IS HAN A GOOD PILOT? I DEMAND HIS ENTIRE BACKSTORY BE SHOWN ONSCREEN OR ELSE!"

You and I are on the same page here. Not every detail can be conveyed onscreen, or else all movie characters would die from never pooping (except in Dumb & Dumber or other funny bathroom scenes LOL)

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Sokar has just pointed out the exact lines I was talking about. And why should I come back to a post about a specific point I made, when I consider the matter ended? I actually have a LIFE, you know. It's not all MovieChat and Star Wars.

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...and Rey knocked him on his ass like it was nothing in TLJ. It was laughable. Rey should not be able to knock down Luke Skywalker, but yet she did quite easily, much how everything goes for her.

I wanted so bad to see Luke have a scene where he would go super Jedi and lay waste to everybody in his way (Like Vader at the end of Rouge One), and unfortunately, like many, many things in the new movies, it didn't happen.

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That's what you get for wishing nerdface. They said on DAY ONE...these movies would not focus on Luke,Leia and Han...

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Nerdface? Really? You have to be able to do better than that. Wow.

Yeah, they haven't focused on the old characters everyone loves...they've killed them all off, while introducing new characters that most people don't give a crap about.

They've dropped the ball so incredibly hard that I'm done with any new Star Wars movies. I honestly don't care at this point. I'm here for the discussion. I won't see the new film, and I won't miss it.

Nerdface...wow. Lol.

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Actually,

Return of the Jedi is set four years after A New Hope

In a new hope Luke is pretty useless, he does train for 4 years, so in part 2 or episode 31 (whatever) he has trained his powers.
Also a few years pass between 2 and 3

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the D&D films are not part of the skywalker saga.

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It was a joke.

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More than powerful...she has never had any training.
How did she even know you could call objects to you or influence weak minded people?
You have to give an explanation or else it is just ridiculous.

Luke had Obi-wan explain what the Force is and worked with him with that remote ball and the helmet and his light saber, he was coached to stretch out with his feelings, he was urged to not use his targeting computer but rather the Force.

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"How did she even know you could call objects to you or influence weak minded people?
You have to give an explanation or else it is just ridiculous."


Luke did a Force Pull at the beginning of Empire Strikes Back EVEN THOUGH HE HAD NEVER SEEN IT AND BEN NEVER EVEN TOLD HIM THAT TELEKINESIS WAS POSSIBLE WITH THE FORCE!

Zero explanation. Ben only trained Luke for a few minutes until Luke could feel the location of the little taser ball without his eyes.

The only time the audience saw arguable telekinesis was Vader's Force choke, which could have been a mind trick and may not have been actual Force strangling.

In fact, you could argue that not even George Lucas had conceived of the Force making telekinesis possible, since A New Hope portrays the Force as more of a focus tool, with the ability to influence others' minds just as much as it influences the mind of the wielder.

We already know, from his own words, that George kept changing the story. Vader was originally a warlord, Luke's dad was alive and was to rejoin Luke (meaning Obi Wan was NOT lying, that was a retcon).

In Empire, the story of Luke's returning father was ditched and the drama was ratcheted up by sticking that lost dad inside the Vader suit.

However, Lucas still wanted a lost Jedi to return (this remained in the title -- "Return" of the Jedi) and get payback with Luke's help (Revenge of the Jedi, the original title).

Thus, when Lucas wrote Yoda saying "there is another," he was planning for an exiled Jedi to return, and iirc a powerful female Jedi.... Which was a holdover from the 70's, Lucas originally wanted the lead to be a heroine, but knew that a MALE HERO would SELL BETTER.

This story was ditched and Leia was turned into Luke's sister. However, the line "there is another" was left hanging as abandoned foreshadowing, since Leia's potential NEVER came into play.

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Luke did a Force Pull at the beginning of Empire Strikes Back EVEN THOUGH HE HAD NEVER SEEN IT AND BEN NEVER EVEN TOLD HIM THAT TELEKINESIS WAS POSSIBLE WITH THE FORCE!

Zero explanation. Ben only trained Luke for a few minutes until Luke could feel the location of the little taser ball without his eyes.


You are making a lot of assumptions there to try and make a lame retort. First, the movies last two hours. So you are assuming that since it only took a couple of minutes on screen to travel from Tatooine to Alderaan that he only taught him for a couple of minutes. It was most likely many hours and Empire took place a year or two after the battle of Yavin. That's a year or two of practicing with the Force and a year or two of Obi Wan appearing to him with council.

Let me guess, since you only saw Obi Wan communicate with Luke once, while in the Death Star trench, before you literally saw him struggle to get that light saber to finally move....in your mind that is solid evidence Luke never heard form Obi Wan again.

Since you didn't see Obi Wan teach Luke anything else except for 2-3 minutes with the remote ball than that is all Luke ever had. 2-3 minutes with a remote ball in 2 years is all Luke ever had.

I call BS. Your attempt to try and claim Luke's training with Ben, his time on Tatooine, seeing him control stormtroopers, spending one on one time with him...etc. (you saw 10-15 minutes with Ben on screen so you assume he was only with Ben 10-15 minutes from Ben's home, Mos Eisley, travel to Anderaan.....all of that was only 15 minutes and not days to you, and you assume Ben never taught him anything else about the Force and how to use it) his Force ghost appearances and Luke having years to use the Force and practice is the same as Rey suddenly calling the saber and plucking it away from a trained Jedi Knight with years of training.

Not even close. Sorry.

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Secondly, your description of Luke's training is HILARIOUS, because you clearly weren't able to include training of the two force abilities you were nitpicking... It's like "any explanation will do" even when it doesn't explain what you're using it to explain!!! Just as long as it elevates a male... Right?

Anyway, The Force Awakens actually SHOWS Rey learning her powers. She copies them from Kylo, probably because she can feel what he's doing with the Force (this is a common Force trait, not an ability).

1. Kylo dives into her mind to interrogate her. It turns when she VISIBLY realizes that she can do what he's doing back to her, and she flips it.

2. Kylo pulls the saber, ONCE AGAIN Rey picks up an ability WHILE Kylo is doing it, and even she was surprised that it worked. She was just copying him again.

The close link between the two is probably the key to making this possible, like their long-distance Facetime communication in The Last Jedi.

It doesn't matter how well it's shown onscreen through shot framing and acting, little boys will still come along and dismiss it all because they don't want to believe it.

Then they'll go back to making up stories between ANH and ESB where Luke somehow gets trained in the Force so he can pull his saber, or stories between ESB and ROTJ where Luke manages to find someone to both train him in saber combat, WHICH HE NEVER GETS, or how to build a saber, WHICH LUKE JUST MAGICALLY KNOWS HOW TO DO EVEN THOUGH THE JEDI ARE GONE.

Rey at least already knew how to fight, and how to use a ranged weapon. She's no farm boy being raised by Owen & Beru!

Doesn't matter to the little boys, though. No qualifications are good enough for Rey to be acceptable to them, because not only is she not a boy, but she's not sexy enough! Yes I've heard that complaint from the same boys, betraying their own "judgment" with their little penises.

I bet money you'll still try to argue against all this even after I tell you I've heard EVERY weak excuse.

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Doesn't matter to the little boys, though. No qualifications are good enough for Rey

Oh, I see.....you are a troll. Or a SJW psycho.
I didn't realize you were a radical at first, now I do.

On the ignore list you go.

Bye-bye.

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The latter; sjw psycho. Frog has like 5+ accounts with 5k+ posts each. Most often in the DT subforum but used to be exclusively on the Star Wars boards arguing false equivalence like this.

They have been completely proven to be a fraud thousands of times but any quality deranged person wont let something like that stop them.

I laugh since they have zero argument for why rey 'is not a mary sue' ... rather now magically every other character is too. Pathetic really.

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Frog is a very peculiar case. I think it's pretty obvious from the way she presents herself that she's female & an extreme feminist but others seem to doubt this for some reason.

More to the point when it comes to the defending the awful Di$ney ST and especially the character Rey (who i'm pretty sure Frog masturbates over) she loses all objectivity and common sense when it comes to defending Rey & justifying her being a giant Mary Sue. Frog has been at it for years on these boards. She will straight up ignore facts present that completely discredit her arguments on this topic as if compelled by ideological fanaticism.

It's so strange because i've seen Frog provide plenty of rational & well thought out commentary on other board topics. It's like dual personalities.


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I'll summarize all your bullshit short: Rey is a femal lead character so there is no valid argument to not like her. On another hand, they is no good argument to think that Luke is a way better written character.

Cool... Can you please not procreate?

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Probably not.

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What explanation do you need? Watch the previous 6 Star Wars films-- there's this thing called The Force, and certain people are genetically predisposed to using it.

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Anakin had 10 years of training with Obi-Wan.

Luke had the Force explained to him by Obi-Wan and Yoda. Luke was also trained by Yoda who was a Jedi Master.

Rey had no training yet beat Kylo who was trained by Luke and Snoke. Rey was a Jedi Master by the second movie despite having no training by Luke.

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sjw have more force - always.

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Vader was more powerful than those before him.

Luke was more powerful than those before him.

Luke picked up the force at an INSANE speed compared to Anakin/Vader.

Why isn't this difference nitpicked by you? Oh because they're boys, and boys can do magic better than girls. LOL

I'm not even going to try discussing this with a well known bullshit artist meat head troll like you, though. I don't even bother clicking the notification link when I see you've replied because all you ever say is stupid trollish bullshit and I can't even fathom the mental deterioration from posting that kind of mindless blather EVERY DAY.

I don't even believe you're a misogynist because you just recite it unemotionally, there is no passion behind your words.

You're an obvious phony, a pretender, a faker, a liar, a clown dancing around hoping to entertain, yet you're the only one entertained by your weak performance. Everyone else just rolls their eyes and you go "That's what I was aiming for" because of course you would say that.

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• "Vader was more powerful than those before him."

Actually, he wasn't. Palpatine was more powerful than him. And Yoda was likely at the same level.

• "Luke was more powerful than those before him. Luke picked up the force at an INSANE speed compared to Anakin/Vader"

Nope, he wasn't, and he didn't. It took him several weeks (perhaps even a few months) to be trained in Dagabooh. Anakin? We have no idea how fast he was, since the training didn't appear in the movie.

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Why dont you guys just google how many times passes between star wars movies? Luke has had years of training already in Return of the Jedi

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That was a dumb answer.

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It is a very accurate answer to a dumb question.

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It was a dumb answer to a question that has been asked too many times and will likely not have a valid answer.

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The original poster posed a ridiculous question. The first six films explained in great detail how The Force works, and the 7th film introduced Rey, and gave us as deep and as solid a background to who she is as we've ever been given for any character in the entire series. If you can't accept the obvious answer to the OP's stupid question, then you're part of a tiny, but vocal, minority that refuses to do so, and no amount of explanation will counter your willful ignorance. Ask all you want, the answer is the same. If need be rewatch the films.

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You misogynist blowhards dismiss the answer because it's not blatant enough (and GODDAMN, AP, you're STILL harping on this? WOW, petty)

You need someone onscreen SAYING things so you can keep up, but JJ Abrams, as uneven as his quality can be, KNOWS how to tell a story and KNOWS that a good movie will avoid telling when it can SHOW.

But see, you gotta be a little sharp and you have to be free from preconceptions and bias in order to pick up on subtleties.

I guess the fact that Rey is SHOWN learning Force abilities from Kylo is actually to your benefit because you can use the lack of telling, a lack of "Oh wow Kylo I can feel what you're doing and I can copy it, wow," to convince yourself that the visual cues shown TWICE, in the same CONTEXT, are meaningless.

One thing I loved about TFA is that is has a LOT of "show, don't tell" and much of the dialogue is symbolic of this.

The only time it got "too obvious" and a little ham-fisted was when Poe mentioned "as long as there is light we have hope" and Kylo killing Han only after the light was gone.

That line from Poe shouldn't have been in there, but he is referring to the battle. Maybe if "light" had been replaced with "sun" or something, it would remained more subtle.

One of the biggest differences between TFA and TLJ is that loss of "show, don't tell." Rian Johnson is a dumbass, so he insists on telling and telling and explaining and then he can't even keep track of it because he outlined a very specific time-displacement system for Looper AND THEN GOT HIS ENDING BACKWARD, HIS OVER-EXPLAINED TIME TRAVEL CONSEQUENCES MAKE THE ENDING OF LOOPER IMPOSSIBLE!!!

Rian invested so much detail and still got it backward at the end when it mattered.

I knew Looper was going to be bad when I saw that tiny foreshadowing in the beginning with the stupid looking floating coin that's obviously on a flexible plastic stick or something.

Then that telekinesis doesn't come back until so much later in the movie... UGH. Looper was gimmick city, just AWFUL. Every idea it had was a stupid idea, but executed in a manner that lets you see Rian didn't notice the stupidities.

I cringed the day he got that Star Wars gig. There was no reason for that other than him directing a Breaking Bad episode (first season was good, no need to continue after that).

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One thing I loved about TFA is that is has a LOT of "show, don't tell" and much of the dialogue is symbolic of this.

Well, that's a positive consequence of copy-pasting a movie that follows the 'show, don't tell'.

If you're gonna plagiarize a movie, at least copy a good one!! :-)

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Are her farts powerful too?

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Because of the vaginaclorians.

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The MarySue is strong with her.

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She's the daughter of Palpatine, this explains a lot of things actually.

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it does

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