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The Emperor returning after being 100% dead.. be like..

posted 4 years ago by bozo_500 (12114)
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Die Hard - Hans survived his fall and has been in a high security prison not earning 20% until his brother Simon's son (Daniel Bruhl) breaks him out to return in Die Hard 6:The Fall and Rise of Hans Gruber (played by Alan Rickman CGI)

Lethal Weapon - Gary Buseys iconic Mr Joshua is back! He's bad! and he's mad! (oh how? well the bullets at end of LW1 merely wounded him and in LW5 he's just been released from high security prison with one thing on his mind..the death of Riggs!)

Scarface - Tony hands himself one of them first-class tickets to the Resurrection..by having survived the point blank shotgun blast to the back. And awakens after a 40y coma and promptly goes about resurrecting his drug empire. Pacino obviously returns alongside DeNiro as his new druglord rival in Scarface Part II: Resurrection

Robocop - just give him his fuckin' phone call, because Clarence Boddicker survived the fatal neck wound and is back to get revenge on Peter Wellers Robo in the long belated 4th instalment (or 5th if you count the crappy remake). Kurtwood Smith dons maths teacher spectacles once again

Total Recall - See You The Party Richter! This man always keeps his promises..returning with cyborg arms to extract a long gestating vengeance on nemesis Doug Quaid. Michael Ironside returns to the Recall universe alongside Arnie and.. Sharon Stone?!.. for Total Recall 2 (what remake?)

Alien - forget Ripley & Hicks coming back with no explanation other than 'cuz the fans wanit!' this sees the return of the true villain of Alien.. Ash.. only the twist being hes not really returning.. but appearing for the 1st time chronologically in Scotts 3rd prequel at the end when the Company uploads the destroyed David into another android that looks remarkably like a 1979 era Ian Holm ..yes thats right. David was secretly Ash all along!

Raiders - its beautiful! for 80y old Paul Freeman. as Belloq returns as the villain in Indy 5 , resurrected by the dark force of the Ark.

Batman - The Joker Speaks! Nicholson is back as the clown prince of crime in the 3rd Burton/Keaton bat movie with no explanation other than the joker saying 'its complicated'

Superman - The Return of Zod! no not the overly angry CG suit wearing one nobody liked, but Terence Stamp topping up his pension plan as a deaged to 1980 General Zod - defrozen from a glacier like Captain America after Superman chucked him into the endless icy abyss at the end of Superman II.. and now returns in the long belated Superman V but just titled 'Superman' (Warner's be like pls forget Returns.and MoS. and BvS..and JL.. ) - 'Come to me son of Jor-el! Apologise before Zod!' (also starring CGI/deepfake 1992 era Christopher Reeve)

Star Trek - Khan Returns! (not the fake Cumberbutch khan but the 'real' khan via CGI/deepfake 1982 Ricardo Montalban). Resurrected on Genesis immediately after the events of Star Trek II, captured by the romulans, and held in cryogenic freeze for over 100 years. He breaks free to inflict his wrath upon the federation once again.. this time going up against Picard.

[–] [deleted] 4 years ago

I can't see how they can salvage this series. All they managed to do with these three sequels was basically re-accomplish everything that was already accomplished in the original trilogy with Emperor Palpatine being killed yet again and the rebels winning yet again. It's crazy that JJ Abrams is given yet another franchise over at DC to ruin as he did this and Star Trek before.

[–] Ace_Spade (9334) 4 years ago

First: bringing back Palpatine was dumb and horrible for a variety of story reasons, but there are some ironic entries here.

Robocop's whole premise is about a guy who was blown to smithereens and returns.

Total Recall might or might not have happened entirely within the mind of the lead character, so I think his vivid, lucid dreams can probably return.

Star Trek's Khan was a defeat supervillain who the Enterprise found on the Botany Bay. After defeating him soundly, they leave him on a planet. Decades later, he miraculously escapes and returns. He's so powerful he kills Spock. But...Spock comes back because of "Vulcan B.S." (I maintain that the Original Series solved all of their problems with either (1) Legitimate storytelling techniques, (2) Kirk kisses a bad guy until she betrays her allies, and (3) Vulcan B.S.)

And Batman? Really? There are Lazarus Pits like, everywhere. Comic books (like Star Trek) are notorious for randomly snapping their fingers and bringing people back. Death ain't permanent. Even *within* the Burton Batman universe, Catwoman electo-shocks herself into an explosion and still shows up at the end in silhouette to watch Batman from afar.

To be fair, there is a difference between a surmountable death as a premise (Robocop) and taking a clearly-dead character and resurrecting them (Palpatine). But, in my opinion, Palpatine's death and resurrection weren't stupid and aggravating because it was implausible in-universe, it was because the sequels didn't set it up properly in terms of story (dumb), and because it ripped apart the accomplishments of the OT's heroes without allowing those heroes the opportunity to finish the job (aggravating). It felt cheap because the films didn't set it up.

[–] bozo_500 (12114) 4 years ago

-I didn't mind Palpatines return in fact I thought it was pretty cool, and plausible with cloning and shit.. (and that he remained the villain for the whole saga) , but as you say it just wasn't really set up in the previous films.. and would have preferred seeing Luke encountering him again.. or even Solo (but then that would've required him not dying in VII which Ford wouldn't had stood for)

[–] Ace_Spade (9334) 4 years ago

Yup. It needed to be established better, and the original heroes should have had a greater hand in defeating him. As it stands, it feels like a kick in the shorts to everybody who followed the adventures of Luke, Han, and Leia. "Sorry, suckers!" crows the Sequel Trilogy, "Your heroes failed! Here are some less-developed knock-off heroes to do what they couldn't! PSYCHE!" Very obnoxious.

[–] aavfreak (2857) 4 years ago

Here are some less-developed knock-off heroes to do what they couldn't!

But did they really? That's the problem with the whole premise. There's never really any DEAD dead. There's just, well maybe this time he really is defeated. Or maybe not. Or maybe he is. No, definitely not. or...

[–] Ace_Spade (9334) 4 years ago

Well, in theory, sure. In practice, I think it's like this: Disney is, if nothing else, pretty obviously aware - at least vaguely - of fan demands. In fact, they tend to fling themselves overboard in response to what they think fans will want.

When they purchased the franchise, fan sentiment was clear: Lucas bungled those prequels. They were filled with stupid junk like Jar-Jar, Midichlorians, and CGI craziness. The fights were like dances. It had no emotion, bad dialogue, etc. "This isn't Star Wars!" What did they do? The "Star Warsiest" thing possible: they soft-rebooted the original and hoped nobody would notice. "You want nostalgia? We'll give you nostalgia!" they cried and cranked out The Force Awakens and Rogue One. Fans calmed down. They loved those movies. Initial reaction to TFA was largely positive. If there was one flaw, the community said, it was that it played it too safe. It was too copycat.

"Okay," Disney replied, and "subverts expectations" became an obsessive-compulsive little chant. Rian Johnson did The Last Jedi and whacked everybody over the head with, "Kylo Ren doesn't kill Leia, Admiral Ackbar dies, Luke's close to a 180 on his original self, NONE OF THE MYSTERY BOXES MATTER ANYMORE!" and on and on it went. I could (and have) go off on the problems with The Last Jedi (ironically, one of the biggest complaints for me is that it actually didn't subvert anything, while doing so superficially). But the fans-at-large were clear again: TOO FAR!

"Fine! You're in charge here..." said Disney, plucked Treverrow from the driver's seat, and put back in reliable ol' J.J., who re-retconned Rian Johnson's retcons and tried to find some balance in the force between derivative and whackadoo, and failed again.

So, in conclusion: Disney won't bring Palpatine back because they're probably savvy to all of us out here saying it was stupid. They'll either never mention it again or possibly (hilariously) retcon it again. Plus, they won't kneecap their leads.

[–] ProgsReturn (1751) 4 years ago

*applause*

[–] Ace_Spade (9334) 4 years ago

Thank you, sir.

[–] ProgsReturn (1751) 4 years ago

Fun idea for a thread - Sequels most likely to fail.

Lord of the Rings: Gollum climbs out of the lava flow and claims the ring. Middle Earth falls to his power.

Wicker Man 2: Howie Unburnt.

Titanic 2, The voyage home.

[–] bozo_500 (12114) 4 years ago

Theres a few fan trailers for Titanic 2 on utube. a couple of them really well done and with millions of views .. so the studio is probably thinking 'yknow.. maybe he survived..'

[–] triplea (3577) 4 years ago

"Because 1 humungous piece of drift wood can't support 2 people, or couldn't they have like taken turns in the water or something? Is it just me or did he not have to die?"

[–] Keelai (31751) 2 years ago

If Rose kept her butt in the lifeboat, then Jack would have had the driftwood to himself.

[–] Ace_Spade (9334) 4 years ago

Lawrence of Arabia is brought back as a bionic man after the motorcycle accident.

Gandhi is reincarnated as a talking horse (or dolphin).

Ripley is cloned from a single cell, but her DNA has an alien queen in it and...oh, wait...

[–] aavfreak (2857) 4 years ago

Top Gun: Maverick - "Talk to me Goose!" Camera pulls back. Goose is literally in the RIO seat. No explanation given.

The Hunger Games 4 - Katniss is President of the New Republic. In the staff ready room, we see Rue ready to give a national speech on the latest crop report. No explanation given.

Coco 2 - The land of the dead is empty, boring movie ensues.

[–] triplea (3577) 4 years ago

So Han Solo is alive and well.

[–] ProgsReturn (1751) 4 years ago

Yes, Leia wakes up one morning to find Han in the shower, and the last 2 movies were all a dream.

[–] Alex (1477) 4 years ago

Take my like and gtfo you magnificient son of a bitch!

P.S: That Dallas reference never gets old :D

[–] bozo_500 (12114) 4 years ago

OP updated with Lethal Weapon and Superman! (particularly happy with those)

[–] kuatorises (7467) 4 years ago

Obi Wan was brought back 1 movie after dying, LOL. Yoda, Luke, Han... Come on man, you're not even trying.

[–] bozo_500 (12114) 3 years ago

Ad Astra 2: Brads pops didn't die, but was saved by aliens and now is returning to earth to see his boy