and certainly not this recent wave of, oh gee, how many is it now?
THEY'RE LAME. THEY'RE ALL LAME EXCEPT THE FIRST THREE (77, 80, 83). THIS IS ONLY ABOUT MAKING MONEY NOW. THEY AREN'T EVEN GETTING THE STORIES RIGHT WITH THESE RECENT ONES, BECAUSER, DUH..... EVEN THE CREATORS CAN'T KEEP UP WITH THEIR OWN SPIRALING CRAP. SHOULDN'T THAT TELL YOU SOMETHING?????
lame. so lame.
like i said. there are only three star wars movies. 1977. 1980. and 1983. All this 'extraneous' and 'ancillary' crap is just to stir hype with all the young folks to make money off ythem.
There was nothing wrong with the story for the prequels. It's the same storyline as in the original trilogy. Lucas only botched the direction and the dialogues. If the prequels had decent direction and proper dialogues, they would have been praised as good.
I don't think even Lucas understood what he had with the first three films, especially the first two.
I watched an interview clip with him chastising critics as uneducated in the history and technology of cinema, for them not understanding what he achieved with the prequels in terms of a new type of storytelling and CGI effects.
While I didn't disagree with his position, I wonder if the general viewer of a Star Wars film is really the right audience to be showcasing narrative innovations - effects, yes - storytelling, no.
What really surprises me is how well the effects in the OT have held-up overall.
"What really surprises me is how well the effects in the OT have held-up overall."
Who cares? The OT SFX took ages to develop, were cumbersome, were fiddly beyond belief, and CGI can do so much more, much easier.
Who cares? The OT SFX took ages to develop, were cumbersome, fiddly, and took ages, cumbersome, were fiddly beyond belief, and CGI can do so much more, much easier.
my response would be, LTUM cares. and a host of others, obviously. i think oyu are overlooking some key contextual elements in your VP on the effects as part of the appeal of the OT. if they were 'cumbersome fiddly & took ages' I'd say 'who cares' also. as a viewer i don't give a damn about what lucas went through behind the scenes (cumbersome fiddly etc) to bring the scenes to life; i only wish to enjoy the film for its own sake, and more specifically the story. and, the story only really floats if it's believable, which means they went to great lengths to 'suspend disbelief'. so IMO all that effort was worth it.
and i'll go a bit further: i think the original effects in many ways OUTSHINE cgi. cgi is slick etc but it often comes off canned, artificial, cold. you can usually tell when you're watching something (maybe not you, but i can) if it's an actual physical object that was being filmed, or a computer pixelated one. i prefer the former.
plus greenscreen performances often lack a lifelike intensity because the actor is talking to air, or swinging a sword at air, or holding onto an 'air' steering wheel, or whatever.
i assume you are fairly young. for those of us who saw the OT in the theaters, and remember the immense hype and glory it generated worldwide, there will be no replacement. and certainly not with a film riddled with dialogue from jar jar binks. Seriously, what a f___ joke.
"i think the original effects in many ways OUTSHINE cgi. cgi is slick etc but it often comes off canned, artificial, cold."
Depends which era of CGI you mean: Granted, the Prequel CGI is still a work in progress and did cause many complaints about the "artificial look" of it all, but I don't think I've ever heard a complaint about Disney Star Wars CGI, whatsoever.
"plus greenscreen performances often lack a lifelike intensity because the actor is talking to air, or swinging a sword at air, or holding onto an 'air' steering wheel, or whatever."
I'll give you that, but there are "stand-ins" for CGI characters, usually.
"i assume you are fairly young. for those of us who saw the OT in the theaters, and remember the immense hype and glory it generated worldwide, there will be no replacement. and certainly not with a film riddled with dialogue from jar jar binks. Seriously, what a f___ joke."
Is 47 young? No. I just go with what the industry uses these days, and practical effects for spaceship scenes are DEAD, just too, well, impractical.
Why bring up Jar Jar Binks? I never even mentioned him!
the technical side is not the point for me. if anyone reads up and down this page they will see the main focus of your comments is on the visuals, ie cgi vs original effects. and they will see my references are to the story line.
and if you don't understand why i brought up jarjar binks, then that explains everything. :)
47 is perfect. you qualify for the old school club. ;)
Who cares? The OT SFX took ages to develop, were cumbersome, were fiddly beyond belief, and CGI can do so much more, much easier.
You're point being that CGI modeling is more versatile and cost effective than the actual physical scale modeling of the OT?
No fucking shit, Sherlock.
The physical effects of the OT still have aged better than the effects in the PT.
To me that is surprising, and speaks to how amazingly well the physical modeling was done back in the day, despite its huge limitations.
I saw ANH at the drive-in as a child, before that, cutting-edge physical modeling was like the stop-motion shit from the Sinbad movies. Lucas changed the game on what could be done back then, and it's incredible how it's held-up. Even the effects in 'The Terminator', made 7 or 8 years later, don't hold up that well.
So, you answer your question, 'Who cares?' - I care, and as someone with interest in these films, I respect even more what was achieved technically with the OT.
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But the industry has turned its back on such special FX for spaceships, Kielanders, so what's the point in caring if even the equipment doesn't exist anymore?
This is a movie gossip site that exists to provide entertainment for those that care in some manner about particular movies, artists, or television programs.
Apparently it also serves as a venue for idiots that question those who use it for that very purpose.
Hopefully the website owners can parley that information into additional advertising revenue.
what's the point in caring if even the equipment doesn't exist anymore?
Great logic bro!
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I didn't mean that, I mean what movie studio would go back to the old methods? It would probably be cost-prohibitive, and I doubt that chemical photographic film is an option anymore.
I could not agree more with you! There's only one SW trilogy. The rest don't even exist to me; I think of them all as some rich (but very misguided) folks' attempt at fan fiction!
and certainly not this recent wave of, oh gee, how many is it now?
THEY'RE LAME. THEY'RE ALL LAME EXCEPT THE FIRST THREE (77, 80, 83). THIS IS ONLY ABOUT MAKING MONEY NOW. THEY AREN'T EVEN GETTING THE STORIES RIGHT WITH THESE RECENT ONES, BECAUSER, DUH..... EVEN THE CREATORS CAN'T KEEP UP WITH THEIR OWN SPIRALING CRAP. SHOULDN'T THAT TELL YOU SOMETHING?????
lame. so lame.
like i said. there are only three star wars movies. 1977. 1980. and 1983. All this 'extraneous' and 'ancillary' crap is just to stir hype with all the young folks to make money off ythem.
The prequels should have been made first. The OT is not that good really, bad effects, acting, and poor story lines. The prequels are far superior in my opinion.
The sequel trilogy will forever be not canon and referred to as the disney trilogy.