In Disney Star Wars, for a Jedi, this is literally true. A force ghost cannot die, yet can still use the force on physical objects in the real world. Luke caught a lightsaber, so a force ghost can wield a saber without any threat of being injured or killed. Basically, all Jedi masters should be force ghosts now.
Thank you JJ. Thank you Rian. Idiots.
Except that Obi-Wan didn't actually become more powerful than we could imagine. He just apparated here and there and said a few things.
Would it have been the same for Palpatine?
You are confusing Lucas Star Wars with Disney Star Wars. I'm assuming force ghost is a light side power since we've never seen a dark side force ghost.
shareYeah, well, the whole Force Ghost thing is muddled all the way through, and none of them seem to be more powerful than anyone can imagine.
Maybe Palpy would have pulled it off, but I still think that Obi-Wan was lying about that, just like he lied about Darth Vader killing Luke's father.
Obi-Wan meant that killing him would only bring rise to Luke being a Jedi.
That doesn't make any sense. He'd have been better off living and teaching Luke, and joining him in the fight against Darth Vader. Or defeating Vader then and there.
shareSo what did he mean then? Why does he sacrifice his life?
shareIt means that when Lucas wrote the script he wasn't thinking ahead about sequels or retcons. Just like Luke and Leia weren't siblings, and Darth Vader wasn't Luke's father, in that moment it meant what Obi Wan would become one with The Force, and guide Luke to victory.
shareYeah, Star Wars was made as a one off movie, but he did have an outline that told a story beyond the movie. That's why Darth Vader didn't die in the trench.
However, let's assume you're right. How did Obi-Wan become more powerful after he was dead within the movie?
I also suspect that it meant Obi-Wan knew he couldn't win the fight without a miracle, so he threw in an empty threat in the hopes of unsettling his opponent for a fraction of a second.
It never made much sense. In the prequels they spoke about it as if it was some arcane art that Qui Gon Jinn was attempting to master, but it was something that took decades to accomplish. But then again, when Darth Vader died, even though he'd been evil his entire life, he did one good deed before dying and was instantly able to become a force ghost.
shareThat's called retconning.
shareThis is what I meant by "it's all muddled".
I have a certain amount of sympathy for the Disney writers, because they're trying to make a sensible universe out of stuff Lucas wrote on the fly, and didn't remember later. Like, the Force flows in and around and through all living things... but levels can be determined by human blood tests? I mean it's fun to try to make sense of it and try to come up with silly rationalizations for all the contradictions, but can you imagine being stuck with the job of to try and make sense of it so thoroughly you'll satisfy millions of fans and billions of noobs?
Total chepooka. First of all, Lucas OFFERED his ideas to KK and she rejected them. That's a fact. Disney had 6 MOVIES, BOOKS, TV SERIES, as reference and yet they still pulled things from their ass for what?
I won't defend Lucas and his midichlorians among other things, but that is irrelevant to the story of Disney 7. That can easily ignored and the fans wouldn't even bat an eyelash. However, creating a Mary Sue for your protagonist and trashing the legacy characters and creating the rise of the First Order with no rhyme or reason is unacceptable.
There's a difference from being called a writer and a hack. That's the job of a writer to create believable characters and a compelling story. That's the constant challenge of being a writer and in doing so successfully is the reward. If JJ wasn't up for the challenge, then he shouldn't have demanded a writing credit and let somebody else do the heavy lifting for him.
Of course the writer's brief had to include something like:
"Don't even try to please the old-school fanboys, they're guaranteed to hate everything to matter what we do. But who cares, they dont buy toys anyway.".
I see. You need to present some made up condition to justify the hack job that was produced. Apparently, doing the job of A WRITER was never ever considered.
Also, writing something that continues another person's previous work and disregarding practically everything, is also inconsiderate and disrespectful. Just FYI.
Well, since the old-school fanboys buy tickets to these films just so they can bash the films on the internet... Disney has absolutely no economic reason to cater to them.
Not that there's ever any point in trying to please people who refuse to be pleased.
Why not? Does Disney not want their money?
shareYou bought a ticket anyway, didnt you.
shareI did. You don't think they could've made more money if old-school fanboys liked it as well?
Really, shouldn't the "writers" have catered to the old-school fans since you would've liked it regardless? This strategy would maximize their profits, yes?
Disney made these films to that they could sell Star Wars toys to every last child on this planet. A few geeks buying extra tickets or not doesn't make enough difference to their bottom line to be considered.
That's the reality of modern Disney tentpole films.
So then why are there so many Star Wars toys on clearance sale? What does that mean? It means retailers will buy less, thus FAILING to maximize their profits, because they made a crappy movie.
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