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they whacked luke because of hamill's bitching


kk was fed up with hamill complaining after tfa, so she killed him off before ep ix.
thoughts?

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Because only Rey can save the galaxy in part 9 and she didn't want a male to help her do it.

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Ditto

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More like they want to kill all the white characters and replace them with more 'diverse' heroes. Probably will introduce another female warrior and 4 black sub-heroes. Who knows... might turn into a gangbang.

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I have a feeling he was talking smack because he knew they were going to kill off luke and the way they were going to do it.

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What exactly did he say?

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google 'mark hamill hates'

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Thanks. I really feel sorry for Mark. But ultimately it's George Lucas. He's to be blamed for all this. He sold this beautifll franchise to a huge, soulless corporation. I used to be a huge fan of Luke Skywalker... He really let his Joker side out in those interviews.

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I find I have to agree. Lucas shouldn't have sold it. He could have "allowed a new generation of film-makers" to make new Star Wars films but still have retained ownership and control.

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"Beautiful franchise" my butt.... Lucas RUINED it all with those steaming piles that were the Prequels

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Comparing to this Disney shit show, the prequels were actually much better, at least the story made sense.

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No they weren't better, the prequels were the worst!

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KK should STFU! She's ruined SW. Fucking feminazi bitch

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Lol yes, yes! Let the hate flow through your butt!

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Looks like your butt is hurting after what I wrote. You'd rather have ideology before a decent story. What a dumbass!

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Ohhh nice come back. Did you think that all be yourself? It must be so hard going through life being scared of vagina. You poor little child.

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HAHAHA! You silly cuck

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I don’t actually, but so what if I did? You hate gay people now too? Jesus, you really do have problems.

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What? It's definitely not what I meant, but feel free to browse urban dictionary... Like a typical libtard you assume too much. You're just one step short of calling me a racist. Anyway, calm down, buddy! That mental ideology (libtardism) is going to cook your brain one day. Flee while you can!

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Why would I call you racist? You havent said anything racist, have you? And youre right, I did missread you. Half asleep and all that. So allow me address your comment here and now.

Being accepting of women, doesnt make me cuckolded. The fact you think it does, says a lot more about you. You keep saying libtard like its the best put down in the world, while ignoring the fact that to brand an entire group of people by the same brush is part of the problem of the right.

Its time to face your demons, kid. Just because Rey is the lead jedi character doesnt make you any less of a man. Stop acting like it does. If KK was so anti men, why did she green light a han solo stand alone movie? Why did she bother to green light this script that has poe face the fact that he needs to think more before acting as a major part of the plot?

When you over reason with this feminazi rubbish it makes us all look bad. You wanna fight the real feminazis? Go to facebook and join up to the george takai page. Youll find all the silly feminazi horseshit to fill your boots and more. Youll see actual misandry going on and being approved of. Not this shit that makes you pissed off because luke isnt a main character anymore. Are you done being silly and thinking all the pussies are out to get you?

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I don't have problems with women, ffs. I have problems with the modern pop-culture of radical feminism being pushed everywhere, which absolutely has no reason to exist in the Western or modern democratic world. Not only that, it has reached such levels of absurdity, that it is now mandatory in Hollywood to push these ideological agendas in movies. At the cost of decent storytelling.

And, no, I don't have problems with a woman lead character either, I have problems with what they have done to Rey's character (not to mention that terrible plot). Give this trilogy a better plot and put Rey as lead character, and she'll be my new favourite Jedi character. But guess what? The story sucks! And it sucks because they're idiots being led by greedy idiots, who, instead of inventing a new, exciting SW adventure story, just follow the latest trends of pop-culture. Rey's for a reason being called mary sue. In the movie Rey doesn't even know what the Force is and, yet, she already fights and uses the Force like a jedi knight. That's ridiculous, sloppy and poor storytelling. If you were a SW fan, you'd also find this kind of character development quite questionable..., kid!

KK, is not interested in making the best out of SW. She allowed Jar Jar Abrams to rehash ANH. She's making movies nobody is really interested in, because they are MILKING the franchise. They killed Han, yet are making a Han Solo movie. Because this new trilogy is going nowhere!

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Bullshit, you’ve done nothing but post about that one issue. You and all the other butthurt fanboys that can’t identify with the hero anymore.

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"Chuck" is a strange name for a girl. Do you get teased a lot for that name in junior high, baby sister?

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MaximRecoil is the perfect name for a dickhead, you choose well.

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You don't know what the name means, airhead. On the other hand, I know that "Chuck" is normally a male name, yet your posts indicate that you're a chick.

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Well, going by your posts, you’re a dickhead. Ergo...

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Your tacit admission that your previous post was nonsensical, is noted.

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Your tacit admission that you are in fact a dickhead, is noted.

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Your non sequitur is dismissed, Nancy, and also, monkey see, monkey do.

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your use of non sequitur is dismissed, dickhead, and also, you’re a dickhead.

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This falls into the same category as your last asinine post, Sally, so:

Your non sequitur is dismissed, Lucie, and also, monkey see, monkey do.

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You sure are putting in the work to distract from the fact you are a dickhead, dickhead. Your past and future posts are all dismissed as the insane ramblings of a demented pseudointellectual trying in vain to undermine the opinions of those you disagree with.

In short, just another dickhead who thinks he’s more important than everyone else.

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This falls into the same category as your last two posts, Julie, so:

Your non sequitur is dismissed, and also, monkey see, monkey do.

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Just another dickhead desperate to get the last word, yet has no argument to do so.

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There's no argument going on, ninny. You've tacitly conceded everything I've said.

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Just as you have, dickhead. And your a dumb shit, I said you had no argument. Which is true. You didnt argue a point, just started attacking and name calling. Why? Because you have no argument. As I said, pseudointellectual dickhead who doesnt understand the meanings of words, but uses them anyway. in short, a dickhead.

Oh and Im done with you. Youre a waste of time, and a dickhead. Bye dickhead, youre blocked.

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>Just as you have, dickhead.

Your non sequitur is dismissed, Lisa.

>And your a dumb shit

LOL at "your". Also:

Comical Irony Alert

>I said you had no argument.

That's because there's no argument going on, moron. My initial reply wasn't to any argument, Martha, it was simply a post pointing out that "Chuck" is a strange name for a chick.

>As I said, pseudointellectual dickhead who doesnt understand the meanings of words, but uses them anyway. in short, a dickhead.

This is another non sequitur (of the "mere assertion" variety); consider it dismissed out of hand, of course.

>Oh and Im done with you. Youre a waste of time, and a dickhead. Bye dickhead, youre blocked.

Your resignation is accepted, Tina.

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"You'd rather have ideology before a decent story."

Ideology doesn't stop a decent story from taking place. You're the one who is triggered by the sight of females and who spews hatred at making them central characters.

I'm glad that more females are being put in roles, because it lets us see guys like you who are too insecure in your masculinity, and instead rely upon the old days of male domination.

Not all of us guys are like that. I know I'm not.

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What a load of marxist bollocks.

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Have said this in another thread, but my understanding is that Hamill hated what Rian Johnson did with Luke. So if Mark was bitching about it, then I don't blame him. Luke would never kill a defenseless sleeping person, and would never hide and turn his back on the galaxy. These things are simply not in the character of Luke Skywalker.

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"Luke would never kill a defenseless sleeping person, and would never hide and turn his back on the galaxy. These things are simply not in the character of Luke Skywalker."


Couldn't agree more.

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How the fuck would you know??? Are you the same as you were 30 years ago? Do you have complete control of your emotions? Because we know for a fact that Luke does not and never did. You all seem to be ignoring the fact he was ready to “strike down the emperor with all his hate and anger” at the end of Jedi. So I don’t see why you all can’t get your head around the fact that it would happen again in the presence of evil.

Luke was not a properly trained Jedi. He wasnt the perfect Jedi, or person for that matter. He wanted to be, there’s a difference. So him losing his cool from fear for a moment isn’t at all out of character, it’s very much part of his character.

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Luke was not a properly trained Jedi. He wasnt the perfect Jedi, or person for that matter.

Finally, someone who understands Luke's character instead of trying to glorify him solely for the purpose of bashing Rey for being female.

I've been getting so tired of all these trolls who seem to think Luke was perfect in every way and didn't have any flaws.

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Its worse than that, they all say rey is terrible because shes a mary sue that can do no wrong. Here we see luke a flawed character that isnt perfect and makes mistakes and still they complain. At this point they are nothing more than sad losers looking for shit to moan about for no other reason that to try to annoy others and look "cool" by hating something thats popular.

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You think those who criticize Rey are simply doing it because she's female? Are females not allowed to be criticized now lest you be called a sexist?

I despise her btw.

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A lot of them are, yes. You wanna know how I can tell? Because what they say is mostly in reference to her gender and very little to do with the character. Then followed up by bit of body shamming and then finished off with some sexually fantasies that sounds rapey as hell.

Before imbd shut down it was slut this, tiny tits that. She must have gone down on so and so etc etc etc. Mary sure became the most over used excuse for overt sexual hostility that Ive ever seen. Try and engage them in a conversation, and the only answer is "because shes a mary sure!" No actual argument, just an excuse.

Is the character perfect? No. Does daisy ridley deserve years of online sexual abuse because of a character she played in a movie? Hell, no. There are some people that make good arguments about the character, but the vast majority only care that rey is the jedi focus instead of another male they can relate to and mary sue is the excuse they use to abuse that character and the actress.

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I have yet to read a post here sexually fantasizing about her, and both Fisher and Portman were beautiful and very strong women. Even more so than this actress. Also, I haven't read people body shaming her, is she fat or disfigured? What's to body shame?

Well, she is sort of like a Mary Sue but how is that a sexist criticism?

Honestly, her character does not do any service to women, why? because she is shown to have all these gifts with little to no effort, more so than messianic figures in the Jedi world. Women characters who contribute more to women's image are women who are relatable, realistic, vulnerable yet strong, women we see in ourselves, our mothers, our sisters, daughters, etc. Women like Ripley from Aliens or Connor in terminator, even the recent Wonder Woman was better handled as a character. I also don't like daenerys for the same reasons, I prefer the flawed and more relatable or at least realistic women in GOT like Catelyn, Cersei, the Red Woman, Arya, Brianne, Margaery, Olenna, etc. Even women can be great villains like the actress who played Nurse Ratched and Kai Winn in One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest and DS9 respectively. I think these superhero type of women who are devoid of realism or feminism do not help women in any way whatsoever and are a step back because who are they trying to convince? No one buys it, because it is so fake and unrealistic. The problem with rey is she does not have a Heroe's journey, she's already at the finish line with little to no effort which weakens her. And a strong female character would've been in better hands with George Lucas with the help of a decent director and scriptwriter (his weak points). Few men write good female characters and George Lucas is one of them along with GRRM, Ridley Scott, and James Cameron. And I suspect they have this ability because they have had or have a close relationship with a woman in their life that influenced their upbringing.

I'll answer your others posts some other day when I have time.

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Small breasts. She sucked her way into the job etc etc. Imdb had pages and pages of that shit.

As for rey as a character, no she isnt the best. And youve pointed out the reasons why without using the term "pussy pass" or something equally derogatory. Theres far to much insistence that this badly written character is a bad because its a woman. You were able to point out why shes a bad character without once mentioning that shes a woman. And thats the difference. I think your right in everything that you say, I dont beleive that she is a very well written character but it has nothing to do with gender or the actress, and everything to do with the writing. Its like says 80s arnold movies were bad because his arms were too big.

What follows after that is conspiracy that rey was written that way because "girl power" or whatever its called these days. Kathleen kennedy is being called all sorts for pushing women in lead roles like its a problem. Write them well and who cares.

Oh and I could not agree with you more about lousie fletcher. I love to hate that woman. She really plays evil so well. She is without doubt one of the greatest understated villains Ive ever seen. I saw cuckoo when I was about 12 or so and I absolutely hated her. Which in my mind is the greatest compliment I could give to her performance.

Women do need to be seen as more than just sex symbols. Seems very hard to be able to get a female action star that isnt showing off skin. Ripley, conner, both james cameron creations are what should have been the template going forward, but instead we got 20 years of women killing men between their thighs.

So for alls reys faults as a character, Im just glad that she hasnt been over sexualised as most female leads find themselves.

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"Small breasts. She sucked her way into the job etc etc. Imdb had pages and pages of that shit"
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^^^I haven't come across such posts and both Fisher and Portman are small breasted as well. But I imagine those posters are trolls purposely trying to rile you up.

I think some people feel that she's written as a "token' superhero woman because she is presented to be even much better than either Anakin/Luke (who are messianic figures) with little to no effort, no training, and no depth whatsoever. It also doesn't help that the actress is rather limited.

If you liked Fletcher in OFOTCN, then you'll love her in Deep Space 9, she is deliciously hateful and channels Nurse Ratched there.

The problem with women being seen as Sex Symbols is that women mistakenly thought that being seen as such would be liberating in the 60s. Have you tried watching films from the 20s-40s? It is surprisingly more modern and enlightened in how they treat women characters. Women in those eras were treated right, be they flawed devils or pure angels, they had shades to them. They could be sexy and villains without being portrayed as mere sex objects. The 1950s Hollywood however changed that, women became boring side characters again with a few exceptions. But it was the 60s that did the most damage to women in cinema, instead of being offered diverse intense roles, they became one thing only: sex and objects to possess. It wouldn't have happened if women didn't openly embrace it however but they did in a misconstrued view that it was liberating. It wasn't. So now, the West has this PC inundated culture of being devoid of reality. And you know what I also don't like? Apparently now, being feminist or pro-feminine means being masculine and no longer feminine. What does this say and how does this damage women's psyche?

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Because this gives out the message that feminine characteristics or gender sexual roles are inferior and beneath masculine characteristics or gender sexual roles. It encourages women themselves to look down at traditional feminism and to applaud only traditional masculine roles. And this is what GRRM, Lucas, and Scott are different - their female characters portray strength in being women, with being feminine, not with being masculine. And yes, there is a lot of strength in being feminine, in traditional female roles like motherhood that many women in the West unfortunately look down upon.

Also, Ripley was created by Ridley Scott and the first Alien film was the most enriching and realistic to her character. FYI, Ripley was initially written as a man but Weaver was best suited for the role so Scott gave it to her instead.

The problem with applauding any female character that 'seemingly' portray strength is that it weakens one's credibility. Women need to applaud great women roles for being great and criticize bad females roles for being bad. There needs to be a spectrum of what is good and what is bad, because if they're all great, then our voice does not matter because we are blind. Blind to the truth, to reality, and objectivity. Our voice becomes weak and simply noise with no importance behind it because we fail to speak and see the truth.

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Actually, you make some good points here. No, I’m not the same person I was 30 years ago, and I had forgotten about Luke giving in to anger and hate to try to strike down the Emperor. Thanks. So Luke having a brief moment of weakness is plausible. I guess I, like other fans, had an expectation that Luke would be a sage-like, supremely wise Jedi master like Yoda and Obi-Wan were.

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Apologies for the harshness of my reply to your post. Hard to tell who’s looking to have a reasonable conversation of thoughts and opinions and who’s just trying to be a dick. Apologies, again.

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Nah, it’s all good mate 😊 Happy to have a reasonable conversation. Might learn something.

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An open mind. The sign of a great intelligence 👍

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Good. Hamill is an untalented, flaming Libtard

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Dude, that whole movie is filled with libtard messages.

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Her anger knows no bounds, her revenge is decisive and sweet (for her). ;)

Mark: "We actors are mere puppets in the hands of Kathleen."

Harrison: "What the f@%$ do I care? I was paid big bucks for the last one. I'm set."

Daisy: "I don't get the fan hate. I think TLJ and the last movie were fantastic. Kathy is a really great leading light, I think she keeps our ship afloat and heading in the right direction."

Haha. Probably not far from the truth.

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I think they had a very clear plan from the onset. "We'll kill Han in the first movie, Luke in the second, and Leia in the third. And that closes the door on that bullshit. Then we can make the movies we want to make without all that fanboy baggage." But Carrie Fischer threw a monkey wrench in the works.

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If that was the case they could have simply rewrote the script and had fisher die when she went out the window, and saved luke for the last movie.

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I think they wanted to but it would have been in very poor taste. Leia's space corpse floating in the cosmos for eons. The 2001 special. Nobody would have seen that coming.

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Harrison Ford refused to do the movie unless Han died. I wouldn't blame Kennedy for that.

After Fisher died, they easily could've changed the ending of Last Jedi so he didn't die, and have him be in the last movie as a replacement for Fisher. But, I think it would've ruined Johnson's vision of killing the past theme in the movie.

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Classless idiots like you are the reason why no one should ever go to a message board before seeing a movie. I knew some sack of excrement would have a spoiler in the title out of zero consideration for other users, so I've avoided this place like the plague, because your type is a plague. How people like you live with yourselves is something I'll never understand.

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It's a shitty movie, you should be thankful for spoilers that save you money.

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If you want to remain spoiler-free before seeing a movie, maybe you should outright avoid movie forums shortly after the movie has premiered.

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I agree. The onus is on viewers to avoid boards like this until they’ve seen the film. I certainly avoided this board until I’d seen this film.

But I also think that, as a matter of board etiquette, one should add the word “spoilers” to the post topic and not have spoilers in the topic itself.

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