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I agree, Lucas is an ideas man, however he has a spotty record fleshing them out himself. I would bet with virtual money :), the outlines he had for the latter three films wre better than what we have seen so far.

No one got rid of Lucas...he was paid over four billion for his properties...he sold it all! It's like buying a new fully furnished house...you expect the old residents to clear out. the former resident doesn't want to be in the way and has a new place besides, so they want to be gone. Unfortunately...George hasn't been a pitch the idea guy nor the take advise from others kind of film maker for decades...and it shows when viewing any of the prequels. He was wealthy enough to self finance and surrounded himself with yes men like Rick mccullum...no one was around or willing to throw cold water on any of his bad ideas. There wasn't even any studio involvement during the production as Lucas self financed...only allowing fox to distribute to keep continuity with the fan fair. The idea that he would have been able to work with Disney is ludicrous....Lucas just ain't that kind of film maker...and Disney not that kind of partner!

gl's outlines are still the basis for the st.

Return of the Jedi was completely different from A New Hope. Yeah, they redid the Deathstar, but the opening with rescuing Han, the speeder chase sequence on Endor, the confrontation between Luke, Vader, the Emperor, the final battle of Endor. I'm really not seeing the similarities. Whereas, it is abundantly clear Force Awakens is beat for beat A New Hope.

Your argument is stretching it on all levels. Believe me, I know all the points of reference for the original Star Wars. TFA is not a Flash Gordon remake, it's a Star Wars remake.

ROTJ in not more of a remake of Star Wars than TFA...not by any stretch of the imagination. ROTJ is the third chapter in a complete story. TFA is a remake of ANH.

Case closed.

Outside of the second Deathstar, I can't think of any similarities between A New Hope and Return fo the Jedi.

Let's look at TFA's similarities with ANH:

1) Starts off with Darth Vader and a bunch of Stormtroopers attacking Rebels.

2) After the initial attack, a major character is captured by the Empire.

3) Rebel plans are hidden in a cute little droid and sent across the desert.

4) An orphan finds the droid who is actually looking for someone else, but the droid is just happy because some little weirdos in the desert captured him and were trying to sell him anyway.

5) The Empire attacks, so they escape the desert planet on the Millennium Falcon.

6) A wise old mentor who was a hero in the previous saga tells the main character about the Jedi and the Force while on board the MF.

7) They go to a quirky cantina filled with strange aliens. Granted, in ANH, this scene appeared earlier.

8) This next scene was actually from Empire: the main character has a Force induced vision while in a dark, underground area while receiving some words of wisdom from a little Force sensitive alien.

9) Heroes meet up with Princess Leia and the Rebels.

10) The Empire uses a Deathstar to blow up planets/a planet as a show of force.

11) Heroes plan an aerial assault on the Deathstar and blow it up from the inside.

12) Mentor figure is killed by Darth Vader.

13) Orphan character finally uses Force powers to save the day.

14) Darth Vader is defeated, but manages to escape the destruction of the Death Star so he can be in the sequels.

Thought of a few more...

15) We later learn Darth Vader is working alongside a crusty Imperial officer and they are both taking orders from an ugly dude in a cloak who communicates via hologram (the hologram thing is mostly borrowed from Empire Strikes Back, granted).

16) When we meet Han Solo and Chewbacca, they are being chased by intergalactic criminals.

17) When Darth Vader kills the mentor figure, it's implied that the mentor knew he would die and offered himself up as a sacrifice.

18) Shortly after meeting the droid, the orphan gets into a fight with some local bad guys.

19) Han Solo is impressed by the orphan and begrudgingly offers a partnership because they are good in a fight.

20) Darth Vader interrogates the young female lead, but can't quite break her spirit.

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"most of us were not sold on Daisey's Rey given how much they botched her story in TFA"

MOST of us????


"Are they going to just ignore that and go with 'its cuz like she is just so powerful' excuse? What a joke."

Did you give Luke flack for using the Force to bring down the Death Star even though he had never used the Force? Did you criticize Luke for being too old to train yet becoming a powerful Jedi? Did he get called out for being able to take on Vader even though Luke never had any actual lightsaber training and no one to spar with?

If there's anything I'm truly sick of, it's the sexist Rey-bashing. Just a bunch of brainless man-babies parroting some asshole from the internet because their manhoods are threatened by a fictional female character. It's so pathetic.

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