THANK YOU for not being a dingus like 95% of the other responders. An actual fucking grown up, thank you Jesus!
Well, with that hot-take OP telling people that their complaints are invalid, it turns a lot of them off. You wanna have a conversation? Don't start with telling others that their criticisms don't count. And if you're gonna claim to like Luke, then try sympathizing with other Luke fans instead of insulting them because they don't like his portrayal in TLJ.
Based on other posts you've made so far, not only do you seem to misunderstand why people don't like Luke's portrayal in The Last Jedi, but you also seem to misunderstand Luke himself, despite claiming you like him.
Luke's character in TLJ doesn't fit his arc in the OT, and saying people change as they get older doesn't justify the 180 turn his character took. People change as they age, yes, but when telling a story, the change has to make sense based on established character traits. Luke changed with each movie in a way that made sense, and he continued to change further in the Legends EU in a way that made sense. The fans loved Luke in the EU even though he made some naive and stupid decisions, because his character was otherwise respected. In TLJ, he was disrespected in order to make Rey look good, and that clearly backfired with most fans. The Mandolorian gave the fans exactly what they wanted: respect for Luke's character. You may not have liked Luke's characterization specifically in ROTJ and that's fine, but most fans do and that's something you'll have to accept as a Luke fan. It’s not just ROTJ Luke that people wanted to see though, it’s respect for Luke, and growth that makes sense for his character.
Writers don't have to downgrade an established character just to make new characters look good. Again, look at the Legends EU, there's a reason fans like Jaina Solo over Rey Palpa-walker. There's a reason fans love Grandmaster Luke Skywalker over Disney's hollow replica that even Mark Hamill himself despised.
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kuatorises (7467)
3 years ago
Are you saying all opinions are valid? That there's no baseless opinions in this world? It's not a hot take. You're just calling it a hot take because you don't like it, because if it was a hot take, it wouldn't have any length to it. Hot takes are trolling. Hot takes are meant to simply piss people off. You might not like my opinion, but I took time and effort into making that post. These are hot takes:
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You prefer Disney Star Wars over all other types of Star Wars. Your opinion SUCKS and is NOT VALID.
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I absolutely LOVE that OT style Luke in the Mandalorian is so triggering to these losers lol.
OT > ST
And Rey is a Mary Sue 😂
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It DOES make sense based on established character traits though. Luke is an extremely emotional guy outside of ROTJ. He gets excited, is hopeful to the point of it being naive, gets angry and will act defeated easily - it's all right there on the OT. Luke HAS emotions. So much so, some fans call him whiny. It's a part of who he is - and Yoda makes sure to tell him how much of a failure he is every time he shows any personality. There is absolutely a precedent for Luke being defeated; and after his nephew goes mass murderer, no less.
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3 years ago
I never said there are no baseless opinions in this world, I *did* say that “baseless” doesn’t apply to the criticisms for Luke in TLJ. Many people have given perfectly valid reasons on why Luke was mishandled in TLJ. You’re just calling them invalid because you don’t like them.
There’s no word limit on how long or short a hot take can be. I’ve seen whole articles from activists claiming Luke and Anakin are Mary Sues, written out of spite because fans dared to call out Rey for what she is.
If you really didn’t intend to piss anyone off, then I suggest editing your title to something less provocative.
“Fans call him whiny.”
Ok, and? He acted that way at first, but he changed. You yourself said people change, it’s called growth and maturity. He was humbled after his fight with Vader in “Empire” and he came out wiser for it, that’s why he’s not acting nearly as emotional in “Jedi” and even then, he still got pissed when Vader threatened to turn Leia. Again, it seems like you don’t understand Luke’s character, or character development for that matter. This misunderstanding also applies to your post on Captain America and Iron Man in “Civil War”. You somehow managed to flip their alignment. If you’re really not trolling, then you definitely need to look into all these characters more since you don’t know what you’re talking about.
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kuatorises (7467)
3 years ago
"Many people have given perfectly valid reasons on why Luke was mishandled in TLJ. "
Super strong arguments here. Really deep stuff.
"You prefer Disney Star Wars over all other types of Star Wars. Your opinion SUCKS and is NOT VALID."
"he was a moody bitch"
"Not a broody dickhead but a wise tutor with a final score to settle."
"Ok, and? He acted that way at first, but he changed. You yourself said people change, it’s called “growth”, “maturity”. He was humbled after his fight with Vader in Empire and he came out wider for it, that’s why he’s not acting nearly as emotional in Jedi, and even then, he still got pissed when Vader threatened to turn Leia. Again, it seems like you don’t understand Luke’s character, or character development for that matter. "
So Luke changed from ANH to ROTJ - and you cite his encounter with Vader as a reason for it - but not only can he not change in the 34 years since ROTJ and definitely not from his encounter with his nephew. You know this is BLATANT hypocrisy, right?
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3 years ago
“ Super strong arguments here. Really deep stuff.”
What did you expect? When you make a hot-take post, you’ll get replies like that.
“You know this is BLATANT hypocrisy, right?”
Like the blatant hypocrisy when you said you didn’t like him in ROTJ, even after saying people change?
I never said people don’t, can’t, or shouldn’t change. I said a character’s change needs to make sense based on established traits. The Legends writers understood that, the Disney writers did not.
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kuatorises (7467)
3 years ago
You don't know what a hot take actually means.
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noun: hot take; plural noun: hot takes; noun: hottake; plural noun: hottakes
a piece of commentary, typically produced quickly in response to a recent event, whose primary purpose is to attract attention.
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Yes, I specifically came to this obscure website - which isn't the busiest of places - for a 4 year old movie to start an argument. No possible way I came to talk about one of my favorite franchises. Good call. You're only calling it a hot take because you don't like the opinion and can't intelligently discuss it.
I never said you or anyone else had to like Luke BECAUSE he changed. What I did say is that the reasons people disliked him are pretty baseless; and based previous portrayal, there's a precedent for his behavior. I would say "good try", but it really wasn't.
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3 years ago
Except You literally came here to start an argument 😄 You should look up “self-awareness” and “projection” while you’re at it.
Try better next time.
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