There is now a star wars movie completely outclassing any of the prequels on the garbage scale. People are actually using I-III as good examples when talking about the sequels. Selling the franchise to Disney might've been one of the best things that ever happened to his career. They even bring him in for support with IX. Crazy how things can turn out. Happy for him and the actors who got so much flame.
shareWatching the Disney films crash and burn has been such a rewarding experience for me because I was saying back in 2012 that this would be a horrible idea, that and people seemed to think that these films were going to "erase the damage of the prequels" when it turns out the Prequel Trilogy is the freaking Godfather compared to the Disney films.
shareStar Wars TFA is rated higher than any of the prequels on imdb, RT, MC made more money than any of the prequels even with adjusting for inflation and got nominated for more Oscars than any of the prequels. Therefore what was that about the prequels being the Godfather compared to the Disney Star Wars again? According to the data TFA is better than the prequels.
The Last Jedi did better on imdb,RT, MC, got more Oscar nominations than both Phantom Menace and Attack of the clones. Phantom Menace made more money when adjusting for inflation. That is the only area it beat Last Jedi. So Last Jedi won 4/5 in that regard. Revenge of the sith beat Last Jedi on imdb, however Last Jedi won on RT, MC, Oscar nomination and money made. Therefore it won 4/5 rounds. With Attack of the Clones it was a clean sweep winning 5/5 rounds.
Rogue One won on RT, MC, imdb than any of the prequels. Phantom Menace made more money and Oscar nominations, and Attack of the clones tied the Oscar nominations. So Rogue One won 3/5 against the prequels. Looks like it is time to swallow the truth. Sorry man I know the truth hurts.
Solo is the only case you can make to where the prequels won. Therefore out of 4 films they owned 3 rounds.
Money and nominations can't save it's reputation as the worst thing since the holiday special with the star wars brand on it.
shareSorry bud you do not speak for the majority. You have your opinion but in the end the Disney films are seen as better than the prequels by the majority as I just demonstrated. You do not have to agree but in the end that is how the cookie crumbles. I always laugh when people claim it is the worst thing to happen since the Holiday special. Star Wars fans are such drama queens. Even the prequels are not as negatively received as that film.
shareNot when it comes to the TLJ, it's universally hated. I feel sorry for Mark Hamill who was forced to tarnish his character because Ruin didn't take any advice how to write Luke or do anything else in the movie.
shareSure about that? Lets take a look.
Star Wars the Last Jedi vs Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones.
Last Jedi won on imdb, Rottentomatoes, Metacritic, and Oscar nominations. Therefore looks like that is a wrap it beat those two films.
Now vs Revenge of the Sith.
Revenge of the Sith won on imdb. Last Jedi won on Rottentomatoes, Metacritic and Oscar nominations. So um you sure about that?
Only case you could possibly make was for Revenge of the Sith and that is only on imdb. Everywhere else Last Jedi won. Looks like it is not universally hated like you claimed.
Yeah, i'm sure, rating sites isn't really an indication of anything.
shareIt is an indication of what people thought of the film. What measurement of data are you using to support Last Jedi being universally hated? Provide it or else why should anyone believe your claim? When I provide ratings it has nothing to do with swaying anyone's opinion it is to showcase what the majority thought of the film. Objective measurements of what the mass majority thought. There are plenty of films I know that are universally loved that I do not enjoy but that does not take away the fact that the mass majority loved them. As it stands Last Jedi is not universally hated like you claimed. I can support the Holiday special being that way since it has terrible scores on imdb, Rottentomatoes, etc.
shareGo and try to find a review of the film online that is positive and can explain why it is a good film. It will be like a treasure hunt. Not so easy.
shareAll I have to do is look on Rottentomatoes my friend. That site has professional critics on it and is loaded full of positive reviews. So bad example give me another please. A film does not need your stamp of approval in order for people to think it is a good film.
I mean independent reviewers which aren't working for a rating site and is likely bribed by Disney.
shareOh I love this. I knew it would come around to the critics are paid off by Disney route eventually. I guess Disney forgot to mail the check for Dumbo, and Aladdin then right?
Okay here is one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=If0JN8tlqUw
I like how it can't just be gee maybe I did not enjoy something someone else did, nope it has to be oh someone is paid off because they disagree with my view. Grow up.
I still don't understand why he likes it. I don't hear any legit points at all. I can understand Dumbo and Aladdin being liked. It's not out of this world. I wouldn't even compare them with TLJ.
shareDoesn't matter man. Someone doesn't need your stamp of approval in order to think it's good. Doesn't work that way man I hate to break it to you.
shareI don't care if people like something, that isn't my point.
shareWhen you said Last Jedi is universally hated you misspoke. TFA, Last Jedi, and Rogue One are seen as better than the prequels.
So when you make claims like it is the worst thing to happen since the Holiday Special that is nothing more than your opinion not shared by the majority.
Also when you say Disney pays off critics you misspoke because if that were the case I guess they forgot to mail out that check for Dumbo and Aladdin. No one ever has any sort of evidence to back up that stupid conspiracy claim. All the studio cares about is if the film makes money. The critical reception is just the cherry on top.
Beauty and the beast live action got lukewarm reception at best. It made over a billion dollars though. Jungle Book got much better reception than Beauty and the Beast but it did not make as much money. Which do you think the studio prefers?
Not TLJ as much as i'm aware.
shareThen you are ignoring the data. You have provided no evidence to support the mass majority hating the Last Jedi. I did provide data refuting that claim and you had no answer. So I guess we will go ahead and concede that you lost on this debate.
I provided objective evidence by showing you the scores on imdb, Rottentomatoes, Metacritic, and Oscar nominations. You have provided nothing other than your own personal opinion.
Showing scores from rating sites isn't evidence. My evidence is that you can find virtually no reviews that can legit explain why the movie is good. The review you posted really didn't provide anything of value. How good can a movie be when the review is 6 min long? To say Leia is more in the film isn't a legit point. You seem more upset in this than me telling me to grow up and things That is what losing a discussion usually sounds like.
shareOh I thought you would say that which is why I can easily provide a longer video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7UKW-dgZMU
The thing is you think Last Jedi needs to go through you in order for other people to consider it a good film. It does not matter if someone can explain it to your liking that is not the point. When you said the Last Jedi is universally hated you misspoke. I proved you wrong in that regard. Scores from sites show that the mass majority thinks it is better than the prequels.
You saying oh you can't find a review out there that can explain why it is good is your opinion. All I have to do is say nope that review explained why it was good and I agree with it. When I show the scores my opinion nor your opinion can dispute them. It shows what the majority really thinks. So no it does prove something you just don't want to accept it.
So I must ask in order for people to think Last Jedi is better than the prequels do they need your stamp of approval? It seems like that is how you think that in order for Last Jedi to be considered good by the majority it needs to get through you first.
It might seem so but it's not correct.
shareBased on your opinion. I want some objective stats that are not your opinion. I have provided you things which have nothing to do with my view, you have provided nothing unbiased at all.
Several points you have claimed but will not back up.
Disney paid off the critics. Okay then what happened with Dumbo and Aladdin? Where is your proof or evidence that would have you come to this conclusion?
Last Jedi is universally hated. Based on what evidence?
You think rating sites are objective?
shareIt objectively shows what the mass majority thinks of a film. If you hate the Godfather that does not mean the mass majority does. That is it.
shareYou never know how many of the votes are genuine opinions though, otherwise i agree it would be a great source.
shareWho determines a genuine opinion? You? Me? Nope it does not work that way. Either everyone gets a say or no one does. Therefore when you said Last Jedi was worse than the prequels that is your opinion it is not shared by the majority. Time to grow up and realize that just because you think something that does not mean everyone needs to share that view. Also just because someone likes something you do not, doesn't mean they were some paid off shill.
shareI mean if they vote as they feel or just wants to push up or down a title.
shareAgain that is irrelevant. I hate to ripoff the band-aid. The problem is you have an entitled attitude. You think in order for someone to have an opinion on a film it needs to get through you first. It does not work that way.
shareRip off all you want.
shareOh it is fun for me because I can't stand Star Wars fans to be honest All of you like to make stupid claims and not back them up.
The critics were paid off, that one is my favorite. Oh this is worse than the Holiday special. It is universally hated.
Funny thing is once you show them facts of why the mass majority does not agree they get all insecure. I am glad the Last Jedi ruined people's childhood memories of Star Wars it makes me like it that much more.
Don't go to star wars pages then, it didn't ruin anything for me though, i think the bullshit started with Return of the Jedi. I've had my whole life to accept star wars isn't perfect.
shareI can go where I want to go. Don't like being told how it is huh? A word of advice. Think before making bogus claims next time. This will help you out in future endeavors. Sound good? You're welcome you learned something today free of charge.
I never found Star Wars to ever be that special to be honest. I do not know why people act as if A New Hope, and Empire are so perfect. I know the majority loves them but personally they never did much for me.
I you can't stand the fans i don't see why you would unless you enjoy feeling miserable.
shareOh because shutting people down is fun. So now what was that about Last Jedi being seen as worse than the prequels again? Have any evidence to support that claim? Other than your opinion?
shareThe fact they are bringing in George Lucas as a sort of ace in the sleeve feels like evidence to me. That is desperation if i ever saw it.
shareYour opinion. So I guess the answer is no then right? Face it I proved you wrong when you claimed everyone hated this more than the prequels. That is a blatant lie.
shareYou think Disney would bring him in if they had any other choice? They completely trashed his ideas for TFA and now they are crawling at the feet of the man who invented midichlorians. I don't know how that isn't evidence that they messed up majorly.
shareTo be honest, the majority of people I know were disapointed by The Last Jedi. Yes, the scores seem to say otherwise. Still, it's not like if the ratings were so great neither. Without backing Gedmend on this, I have the feeling that The last jedi doesn't receive so much praise.
shareIt just received praise by the critics.
shareBut aren't there people who think the Mainstream Media is Biased? Everyone says Trump is a Creep and a Crook. Oh, that's just the MSM talking.
So I figure the MSM is working overtime to make the new trilogy not look as bad as it really is.
You and your stamp of approval argument are getting annoying. It was a crap movie. Did some people like it? I guess. Is it universally hated? Maybe not, but it should be. People who care about good cinema don't slurp at the trough of manna and consumption. And if you don't like adverse critics, don't bother with them. I just dropped into this randomly, but I sure wouldn't go to this length to make a pointless point about TLJ. Shitty movie !
shareOh it should be universally hated? Why? Oh that is right because you dislike it therefore everyone should feel the same way. What a man child. The reason you do not like me pointing out that something doesn't need your stamp of approval is because you know it is true.
You dislike it cool, some people like it. Grow up and realize the world does not revolve around your view. There are plenty of films people love that I do not, you will never hear me say they shouldn't enjoy it. The reason I do not is because I am not that desperate for validation or insecure about my opinion.
Glad you are the Grown Up in the room. Suddenly we have to Bow to Your View, right?
I worked with a very low-functioning woman with Down's Syndrome. She would always get excited over Professional Wrestling. And her viewpoint is just the same as yours. Not mine.
Yours.
Where did I say you had to share my view? Was I the one that said everyone should hate this film or like it? Who was it that said something ignorant like that? Oh yeah it was you.
I could not pay for this. People want to make a statement and then when someone can refute it or shows how ignorant it is they want to get all bent out of shape. Had you said you know what I dislike this film and here is why, no one can say anything to you. Nope though you had to step over the line. You had to add everyone should hate it. Which makes you seem like a bigot who is closed minded.
You are so fucking intent on defending your stance, you have no graciousness to the idea that it was a crap movie. It's a shitty movie. You disagree - fine.
I will let it go. Whatever shitty movies that make a lot of money turn your crank. go for it.
Um again have I ever attacked somebody for hating Last Jedi? Nope, however I do shut people down when they make ignorant statements, or baseless claims.
Blade Runner 2049 was my favorite film of 2017 and it tanked at the box office. Any other ignorant claims you want to make or you finished?
Just ignore him, he is following me onto every thread I go on and intentionally saying the opposite of whatever I say. It's very childish and immature.
shareTLJ was a shite movie. (I was not paid by anyone for this review.)
shareLet’s take a look at audience score on RT while we’re at it. A much larger sample size.
Phantom Menace - 59%
Attack of the Clones - 56%
Revenge of the Sith - 56%
Last Jedi - 44%
So the lowest rates of these movies is viewed 25% more favorably than TLJ.
But let’s not let facts get in the way of your narrative.
Carry on.
Are you really using the Oscar nominations as an indication of the quality? All right, if it was in categories like ''best screenplay'' or ''best picture''. But categories like ''best sound'' or ''best visual effects'' don't say much about the quality of the film plotwise. Damn Pearl Harbor won an Oscar, is it a good movie by any means? Absolutely not.
This being said, I would tend to agree that the new trilogy is somehow better than the prequel trilogy.
Which is why the Oscars were not the only category I mentioned. I mentioned imdb, Rottentomatoes, and Metacritic.
Also you saying most people I know we're disappointed by last Jedi is anecdotal. I have to take your word for it. I can prove that overall according to the ratings most people liked it. Which is why when people say it's recognized as worse than the prequels it's a flat out lie. Some are just insecure about their opinion and desperately need the majority to validate their view. So they make stuff up.
''I have to take your word for it. I can prove that overall according to the ratings most people liked it. ''
Have you actually read my comment? I made it quite clear I consider this aspect and that it's only the impression I've got by hearing people I personally know talking about it. I specified that this fact kinda contradicts my personal impression.
True I stand corrected.
shareI think your grasp on facts is geared toward your position.
Yes, The Last Jedi made $1.3 Billion, and that's no small amount of money to dismiss.
However, what absolutely cannot be dismissed, is the $700million The Last Jedi lost.
The Force Awakens made just over $2Billion.
Considering TLJ is supposed to be a continuation of the story that Force Awakens started, it doing $700million less than Force Awakens is cause for concern.
You could say that nostalgia was why Force Awakens did so well, or that it re-trod the "A New Hope" storyline, and played it safe, either way, no-one predicted that its sequel would LOSE $700million.
To put TLJ into perspective, if it dropped a mere $14million, its loss would have been the equivalent of Captain America: The Winter Soldier Box Office...... that's how much it lost!
And then soon after, Solo was released and we all know how that one played out.
The excuse of "Star Wars fatigue" is quite evidently bollocks!!! Marvel have released 23 movies as part of their MCU in ten years, so that excuse just doesn't work.
Inspite of your correct claims that the ratings for TLJ are quite high, you yourself should be pouring your own measure of doubt upon them when you take into account how much money TLJ lost.
TLJ should have been either very close to beating Force Awakens, equalling it, or even beating it...... as is the pattern of most other sequels in recent years. TLJ got no-where near close.
Its true that a lot of people appeared to like TLJ, but considerably less liked it because they didn't bother to go see it over its prequel.
No one is making "stuff up". There is a clear pattern here that TLJ has been poorly received by enough people that it lost $700million, and that also had a knock on effect on Solo which outright bombed.
You can't ignore those stats whilst bleating "but the ratings!".....
No honestly it not geared towards my position. I honestly have never been big on Star Wars. I like it yes but it does not rise and set the sun for me like it does a lot of other people. I personally think Lord of the Rings is a much better made trilogy than even the original Star Wars.
Anyway there is one small problem with your argument. Which of the prequels was the best received critically and by the fans? Revenge of the Sith. Which made the most money? It was the Phantom Menace. This is a showcase that just because another made more money does not mean it was received better overall.
Never once did I make the argument for Star Wars fatigue. Thing is though how long did it take the MCU to reach Avengers numbers after the first Avengers came out? That is right it took six years to reach that level of money again. A sequel does not need to make more than it's predecessor, it is simply an added bonus.
Disney I can guarantee you is not sad about it making 1.3 billion dollars. Here is the thing though TFA was better received by the fans and that is showcased in it's imdb rating. As well as the audience score on Rottentomatoes. However when people make claims like oh the Disney Star Wars films are universally hated and are seen as worse by the majority than the prequels it has no credibility. There is no basis for that claim. Money is not indicator of quality anyway. Some terrible films make tons of money and some great films lose money.
I find it funny how childish and lame Star Wars fans are. Their expectations are unrealistic. They set this high pedestal and if it is not met they throw the biggest fit you can imagine.
While we’re looking at “most people” let’s take a look at audience score on RT while we’re at it. A much larger sample size.
Phantom Menace - 59%
Attack of the Clones - 56%
Revenge of the Sith - 56%
Last Jedi - 44%
So the lowest rates of these movies is viewed 25% more favorably than TLJ.
But let’s not let facts get in the way of a narrative.
Carry on.
People also includes critics now doesn't it?
Rottentomtooes up first
Phantom Menace 54% with an average score of 5.9 audience 59%
Attack of the Clones 65% with an average score of 6.6 audience 56%
Revenge of the Sith 80% with an average score of 7.2 audience 56%
TFA 93% with an average score 8.2 audience 87%
Rogue One 84% with an average score of 7.4 audience 86%
Last Jedi 91% with an average score of 8.0 audience 44%
Metacritic
Phantom Menace 51/100 user score 6.1/10
Attack of the Clones 54/100 user score 6.0/10
Revenge of the Sith 68/100 user score 7.6/10
TFA 81/100 user score 6.8/10
Rogue One 65.100 user score 7.6/10
Last Jedi 85/100 user score 4.4/10
imdb is the largest user based website. So a much larger sampler size of people.
Phantom Menace 6.5
Attack of the Clones 6.6
Revenge of the Sith 7.6
TFA 8.0
Rogue One 7.8
Last Jedi 7.1
The only film on imdb which is primarily a user based site that edged out Last Jedi was Revenge of the Sith. So um I will carry on you do the same.
Critics certainly are people. One critic, however, does not equal 1000-2000 people. You can lump them in with the audience score and it doesn’t move the needle much.
Like I said check imdb. That has more users than any other site. And going off that only Revenge of the Sith edges Last Jedi. Last Jedi is considered better than both Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones by the majority of users.
shareI enjoyed Rogue One quite a bit, i feel it's the first movie since the original trilogy which has a meaning to exist, it gave everything a little more depth and filled in some interesting gaps in the story, everything else Disney has put out has been pointless though with TLJ being worse than i think anyone could've predicted. Episode IX will probably be the Revenge of the Sith of the new trilogy and be slightly better then the other ones while still not deserving to be called good movie. Overall Disney failed and i think the next trilogy might reach even lower when Ruin Johnsson and the witch Kennedy has absolutely no restraints and connections to the previous movies and can make up anything they want.
shareWhat universe are you living in where the Disney films have crashed and burned? They've been massively successful with critics, fans, and at the box office. Disney is making money hand over fist, fans are finally happy to have something to rinse away the sour taste of the prequels, and we're all counting the minutes until part 9 drops in December. And hey, if you truly believe the prequels are anything other than utter trash, more power to you. You do you. And when you're ready to join the rest of us over here in the real world, just give a shout.
shareLol have you been living under a rock or something? Have you seen the fan outrage to TLJ? Sour taste of the prequels? Ha good one the prequels at least told a coherent story and had characters you actually cared about. ROTS is citizen Kane compared to TFA or TLJ
shareNot according the mass majority. TFA won the data match up against any of the prequels. Sorry time to face facts Hippo. TFA won in box office, imdb, Rottentomatoes, Metacritic and had more Oscar nominations than any of the prequels. So it won 5/5 rounds a clean sweep! Talk about an ass rape!
shareI never mentioned the data you idiot, I said look at the fan outrage, just go to youtube and you can see it clearly exists. there's even a petition to remove TLJ from canon you moron.
shareSo in other words it is nothing more than your opinion that the prequels were better.
shareIn other words there is clearly fan outrage over TLJ. I didn't start the petition to have it removed from canon.
shareAnd the funny thing is they can petition all they want. It will not do anything.
shareAnd the funny thing is the fan outrage will still be there.
shareGood glad we cleared up the fact that TFA beat the prequels according to the data.
shareGood glad we cleared up that there is definite fan outrage over TLJ.
shareNever denied that. You however made a statement without pointing out it was your opinion. TFA is better than the prequels according to the data. Therefore when you said the prequels are the Godfather compared to the Disney Star Wars films, it is nothing more than your opinion and you are in the minority.
shareGlad you concede that there has been very harsh fan outrage over TLJ including a petition to remove it from canon. Another round for Hippo.
shareHow is it a round when I never refuted that? Keep dreaming bud. I'm glad there is a petition it makes me laugh that much harder knowing their outrage won't do anything. Episode 9 is coming out and they can't do anything about it.
Another round for moviefanatic505.
So you admit I was right?
shareAbout what? I never refuted anything so...
shareI was correct about there being fan outrage over TLJ correct????????
shareI was correct about tfa having better data than the prequels correct?
shareAre you going to answer my question or are you going to deflect like a coward like you usually do?
shareDude the backlash against the ST has been quicker and stronger than it was with the PT and you are living in a fantasy world if you believe the kneejerk positive reaction by critics and fans to Di$ney's ST will stand the test of time.
The superpecial accolades like oscar nominations & rottentomatoe scores were the result of those immediate overhyped reactions whereas the mixed standing of the PT is the result of decades long critique & debate.
Defend the ST on its own merits if you must but It's disingenuous to pretend early fan & critical response is a substitute for quality.
Force awakens has better objective data than the prequels. Which means it is considered better than the prequels by the majority. That is an objective fact.
I'm glad there is backlash, and quite Frankly it makes me happy it destroyed yours and other Star Wars fans childhood. It makes me like the films even more.
So quality isn't your main goal, you just want people to suffer because you are full of hate against fans who want better movies.
shareYep I feel Star Wars fans deserve this. Entitled babies who throw personal insults against those who disagree with them. Not one time have I ever insulted someone for hating the Disney films. I however have been insulted many times for thinking they are better than the prequels.
shareYou told me to grow up. Thats is an insult.
shareHow?
shareIt's like calling someone a baby. which you also literally did in the same sentence where you claim you aren't throwing insults.
shareOkay fair enough. However when people make baseless claims I call them on it. The whole oh the critics were paid off by Disney wah! I have not time for that crap. Translation wah the critics didn't agree with me therefore it is a conspiracy.
shareI just tried to say you put too much trust in these rating sites.
shareThe rating sites do not sway my view they paint a picture of what the majority thinks of the film. Period that is it.
sharePossibly a false picture.
shareHow so?
shareYou don't know the honesty behind ratings on such sites.
shareAgain irrelevant. When you said Last Jedi was seen as worse than the prequels and that it is universally hated what are you going off of? Where is the data or algorithm for that claim?
shareWhy irrelevant? I'm basing it on the fact i've never seen a legit explanation from an independent source why the movie is good. All i see are desperate ways to defend a train wreck. That video you linked before was one of them. You don't need algorithm, just a bit of scepticism.
shareSo in order for a review to be legit it needs to get through you first What an entitled attitude.
We don't need your stamp of approval to have an opinion on the film. I can turn that right back around. In these years I have never seen a legit complaint against the Last Jedi. See how stupid that sounds?
A legit complaint is to point out objective flaws that doesn't make sense no matter how you personally feel. Like how Yoda acts all silly when talking to Luke although that was just an act he put on in Empire Strikes Back. Not his real personality. A legit praise would be doing the opposite which is to point out objective strenghts and not just saying it has cool space battles or that Leia is in it more or that it is fun being at a space casino which are just things that comes down to being a matter of taste.
shareJust like Trumpers, there is a significant amount of numbskulls out there who make aberrant look normal. SW fans are those people. You could have a puppet SW show, and a bunch of dummies would call it brilliant. A Consortium of Dummies. If that's how you roll, I have no respect for your critical acumen.
shareTFA is second best behind Empire Strikes Back, AND shares a writer with that movie, Lawrence Kasdan.
He's also helping to write Rise of Skywalker.
The data begs to differ.
shareData doesn't relate to the concept of best.
So you have no clue what you're even talking about.
Which I already knew.
The point is you are one of the very few people who holds such an opinion so therefore you shouldn't say things like that as if they are objective facts because they aren't.
shareI didn't state it as an objective fact, I said "second best" and that is, by default, a subjective opinion.
Your "data begs to differ" was in FACT an attempt to dispute my opinion with objective facts, therefore you have ZERO grounds to be telling me to avoid what you were doing and which I never did!
See?
You have no clue what you're even talking about.
PROVEN
Oh OK, well next time you might want to be more specific.
shareHard for George to brag considering the dung heap “Crystal Skull” turned out to be.
And nobody wants to see another Shia LeButthole film ever again.
🤷♂️
You honestly think the fact that they got Lucas back means much to the fan base?
Second tfa raked in over 2 billion dollars cash. Obviously they didn't need him for that. Last Jedi and Rogue One didn't make as much as tfa but both made a nice profit for Disney. The only one that bombed was Solo.
Episode 9 will be one of the highest grossing films of the year with or without Lucas's name on it. So no I'm afraid I don't agree with you there. The haters as well as you will be in the theater to line Disney's pockets once episode 9 is released.
How do you know so certain episode 9 will be one of the highest grossing movies of the year? Maybe Solo finally pulled the plug on things. A Star Wars movie never flopped financially before. We are in a new reality now. Even Star Wars fans aren't complete zombies who can't run out of patience after enough let downs as Solo proves. Something Disney is starting to realize it seems.
shareBecause I know Star wars fans. Solo is the only time a Star Wars film flopped. It won't happen again. It is how Star Wars fans operate. Moan and groan about how terrible something is then pay to see it. They can't resist. Even if it does not make as much as TFA I can guarantee you it will make a good profit. We will see who is right once episode 9 gets released. Like i said you will line Disney's pockets because you will be seeing it as well.
I have more respect for people that take a stand and refuse to pay money to see it. You won't do that though. I bet my entire bank account you will be in that theater when episode 9 gets released.
Rise of Skywalker will make $700 million at best. Change my mind.
shareDon't care to change your mind. Money is not an indicator of quality anyway. Blade Runner 2049 was an excellent film that bombed at the box office. The fact is the Disney Star wars films are seen as better than the prequels when going off of the reception from the majority.
shareBlade Runner 2049 sucked ass. Period. Beautiful cinematography but story and pacing was shit. Replicants can give birth now, so what? The movie failed to make me care about any of it. It felt like I was watching 10 hour NatGeo documentary in 4k. And I've watched 3 extended LoTR movies back-to-back and thoroughly enjoyed them all.
Despite what many might think of the original Blade Runner it was Rutger Hauer, not Harrison Ford who made the movie for me.
Have to disagree with you on that one. In my book it's one of the best sequels of all time. Critics as well as the people who saw it thought it was a great film as evident by it's reception.
shareWhile I disagree that the prequel trilogy was terrible(imperfect yes) I think it's unfair and a little bit disingenuous of moviefanatic to compare the immidiate positive critical reception of the sequel trilogy to that of the decades long critiquing that has settled on a decidedly mixed reputation for the prequel trilogy.
TPM was initially received largely positively by fans and critics alike. Anyone who thinks that in 10 let alone 20 years that TFA will have anywhere near the reputation that it had upon it's initial release ( All of which its current rotten tomatoes score can be attributed to) is absolutely delusional.
Among fans at least the reputation of the ST is declining much faster than it did with the PT.
We'll have to wait 20 years to see, but I'm certain that The Force Awakens will still be widely considered one of the 2 or 3 best of all the Star Wars films come 2039. And I don't know how old you are, but I saw The Phantom Menace on opening night, and the general consensus of most fans immediately afterward was that while it was wonderful to see a new Star Wars film after so many years, the new film wasn't very good. It was Star Wars, and that counted for a lot, especially back then when it had long been a foregone conclusion that there would never again be a new Star Wars movie, but we all agreed it was a poorly scripted, bloated film. When Attack of the Clone came out, the immediate consensus was that it was even worse, and everyone on earth agreed that Revenge of the Sith was laughably bad immediately upon release.
shareWe'll have to wait 20 years to see, but I'm certain that The Force Awakens will still be widely considered one of the 2 or 3 best of all the Star Wars films come 2039
At least they can't blame him for how crappy this film was. He wasn't responsible for the bad writing/directing/producing like Ruin Johnson was. I hope they blacklist Johnson from Hollywood and never let him direct again. He was the worst thing ever to happen to Star Wars.
shareAnyone can mess up, but what's really infuriating about RJ is his attitude. He attacks and arrogantly dismisses the huge block of fans who not only hated TLJ but also completely wrote off Star Wars because of it.
shareDid you hear that on opening day, he got no less than 3 million death threats for his crap film?
shareI had not heard about that. It's pretty crazy.
shareAgain so you are saying it has to get past you in order for someone to have a legit view on the film. You clearly did not watch the review I provided you. It is 18 minutes long and it says way more than oh look the space battles were cool. You just dislike the film therefore you bury your head in the sand and do not listen to anything that is against your view. Hate to break it to you again we do not need to get past you in order to think the film is good. Your statement about Last Jedi being universally hated had no basis whatsoever. You have failed to provide any solid proof. Therefore why should I listen to you?
You people make claims which have nothing to back them up and want us to take it as if it as fact. Then when we do not you get upset. Right when you said the critics were paid off by Disney that is what damaged your credibility. What an original response sarcasm. Apparently they forgot to pay for Malificient, Dumbo or Aladdin then huh? That translates into oh the critics gave a score I did not agree with therefore it is a conspiracy! How about this I do not agree with the critical score. Why does it have to go any further than that?
I did watch it, it was what i expected, i didn't have energy to list all the things. He brought up a few solid points but that was only when he talked about the negative aspects. Honestly i think anyone on this planet that is over 10 years old would admit the movie wasn't good if you backed them into a corner. Rian and Kathleen as well. I was never upset though, i stopped being upset over opinions long ago, especially online. I don't give a crap about this thread if that is what you want to think.
shareSee I proved my point. You only think something is legit when it agrees with what you think. I like how you ignored my point about you providing no proof of it being universally hated. I also like how you you do not say anything more about the critics being paid off. You have nothing to offer other than your opinion.
shareI like how you ignored my question about irrelevance.
shareI did not. So you going to answer my questions I originally had? What evidence do you have to back up Last Jedi being universally hated? Also what evidence do you have that Disney paid off the critics?
shareYeah you did.
shareNope. What evidence do you have to back up Last Jedi being universally hated? Also what evidence do you have that Disney paid off the critics? I will wait.
shareWhat was your answer then?
shareProvide me yours then I will provide mine again.
shareI can go back and read what you said but that had nothing to do with my question.
shareYou said you do not know the honesty of the rating on sites. It is irrelevant because that is the only evidence we have to show what the majority thought of a film. Who determines a legit review/rating? You or me? Nope we go off what is in front of us. See you want to be the one that determines if a review is legit, it does not work that way.
If I disliked the Godfather that does not mean the mass majority agrees with me. I can dislike it all I want, the mass majority thinks it is a great film. That is why when you say that it is irrelevant. Now answer my questions. What evidence do you have to support Last Jedi being universally hated? Also where is your evidence that Disney paid off the critics?
"It is irrelevant because that is the only evidence we have to show what the majority thought of a film"
Literally makes no sense at all.
So then we get to dismiss what the majority thought of a film then? Simply because we disagree with the majority?
shareNot if it was a sure way to prove it, but it isn't, serious critics doesn't put trust in rating sites.
shareRottentomatoes and Metacritic is a recollection of professional film critics. It takes them all and averages it out. How is that not legit?
shareBecause professional doesn't necessarily mean you are an objective person.
shareSee no matter where you turn you have an excuse. So then who determines what the majority thinks? You? Me? Should I put more stock in what you are saying than the ratings on sites? You have given me no reason to think you have any credibility. So then every film critic on earth is not objective and you somehow are?
Bottom line dude you got caught not being able to back up your claims. Disney paid off the critics, and that Last Jedi is being universally hated. Neither of those points could you back up. The ratings on imdb, Rottentomatoes, Metacritic, and Oscar nominations are an indicator of what the majority thought of the film. I know you don't like hearing that simply because you disagree.
Im not determining anything, i'm staying sceptic, it's you who are hellbent that these ratings are real.
shareI put more stock in the ratings than you. You have not shown me you have any credibility. Now answer my questions. What proof do you have to prove Disney paid off the critics and that Last Jedi is universally hated?
shareI never said i have proof they were paid, i suggested the possibility. My proof it is universally hated is that the defense of it is lackluster and JJ Abrams brings in George Lucas after completely dismissing him with TFA. Something obviously happened since then and what happened was The Last Jedi which was so awful it lead to Solo bombing and Disney crapped their pants. Not hard to see where the problem lies.
shareSo then you have nothing to back up Disney paying off the critics. Unless you have proof you have nothing other than a lame unconvincing conspiracy theory. As I said I guess Disney forgot to mail off the check for Maleficent, Dumbo and Aladdin then huh?
Your proof is that it is because the defense of it is lackluster? That is according to your opinion, that is not proof. I do not trust you at all. If you disagree with something you won't hear anything to the contrary. As evident when you said the only thing said about Last Jedi is that it has cool space battles. I gave you an 18 minute video explaining why he liked it and thought it was good. You of course blocked out everything because you are biased and are not mature enough to realize someone can have a different view than you.
Episode 9 will be a solid hit and you will be lining Disney's pockets is the hilarious thing. I personally hope it continues to destroy your view of Star Wars even more. Nothing makes me happier than when I read that Last Jedi destroyed someone's view of Star Wars. It makes me like it even more.
Hasn't those other movies you mention been getting pretty poor reviews though? I listed more than "cool space battles". You just ignored it. I might go see episode 9, whatever that has to do with the quality of The Last Jedi i don't know though. As i said before i think the bullshit began with Return of the Jedi so nothing has been ruined for me. Star Wars was always hit and miss in my world.
shareUm yes Maleficent, Dumbo and Aladdin all got poor reviews. That pokes a hole in your oh Disney pays off the critics conspiracy. Guess for those they forgot to mail off the check huh?
Star Wars I never thought was anything special even when it comes to the originals. Lord of the Rings is a way better made trilogy in my book from every aspect. Star Wars fans are lame entitled spoiled children. If the film does not go exactly how they want they think it is terrible.
You are the one who suggested these were bribed reviews. Not me. No hole poked. LOTR is better, i can agree on that.
shareYou suggested the possibility. I never did. I don't humor lame conspiracy theories like that. Which is why I found it lame you brought that up to begin with.
You lose credibility with me when you make claims you can not back up.
At least i don't go around throwing insults.
shareSee caught you. No you go around making baseless claims. What insult did I fling at you? That you needed to grow up?
shareGrow up.
Spoiled.
Babies.
Children.
Entitled.
Biased.
Okay well when people make baseless claims I find it irritating. None of those insults were aimed at you as a person they were aimed at the way you were acting.
shareI have explained what i'm basing it on, you just didn't like the answer.
shareUm Disney is paid off by critics. Based on nothing. Universally hated based on your view that no one can explain why the film is good to your liking. So in order for someone to like Last Jedi they need your stamp of approval. All baseless.
shareBased on my own scepticism. Same way you base your claims on gullibillity.
shareWhich is what I claimed. I said you have nothing other than your opinion. The ratings/reception by people and the critics is objective it has nothing to do with my opinion.
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