some people say that The Last Jedi doesn't have a lightsaber duel. but to me: TLJ has 3 lightsaber duel.
1: Kylo Ren & Rey VS Praetorian Guards.
2: the brief cash between Kylo & Luke (in the flashbacks.)
3: the illusion duel between Luke & Kylo. ( at the end of the movie.)
what do you think? and do you agreed or disagreed?
Praetorian guards do not use light sabers...so it is NOT a light saber duel
Flashbacks don't count...also flashbacks DO NOT belong in Star wars
Just like a flashbacks...fake duels don't count.
the Praetorian guards fight counts at a lightsaber duel to me.
"flashbacks DO NOT belong in Star wars" well now they do belong in Star wars. lol
well the fake duels counts as a lightsaber duel to me.
Kylo Ren & Rey VS Praetorian Guards was more like a dance routine than a duel.
sharedo you mean a dance battle? lol
shareNot the first time a Star Wars fight featuring light sabers was turned into an overly choreographed dance routine. The fights in the OT were fairly simple and straightforward and had emotional weight. With the prequels they became overproduced dance routines.
shareRight here at 1:48-1:49 - The guard is about to chop her head off but Daisy Ridley missed her cue and didn't duck so the stunt man just diverted his swing upwards: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyIPvIjVMYo
It's not a lightsaber duel, it's a song and dance number.
Boy that was some bad choreography also, you can see that one of the Praetorian guards is swinging at Rey and Rey was apparently supposed to duck but she missed her cue so that Preatorian guard instead angled his sword upwards over her head to avoid hitting Daisy Ridley in the neck. Such a bad fight scene.
shareI thought you didn't care about fight choreography? Guess only on films you dislike do you begin to care.
Although could be worse, people could fall without even being hit like in another film you praise as a masterpiece. Lol you are a hypocrite.
This matters because it's a plot hole, Rey should be dead.
shareBatman would be dead fighting like that but you gave that a pass. Also a guy running towards someone with a shotgun is a plot hole then. Had the guy backed up and shot as opposed to running toward Batman, Batman would be dead. Thanks for pointing out that other plot hole in your garbage Batman movie.
shareNo he wouldn't because then you'd have to prove that the guy with the shotgun could have actually killed him, I have concrete proof that the guard would have killed Rey had he not realized that Daisy Ridley missed her cue because she's an idiot.
shareWhat did Fox say again? Anything but a straight shot? A shotgun will kill you at that range. Even a straight shot revolver will hurt Batman a shotgun? Yeah it will kill him.
Also I want an interview from the production team admitting this flaw or i won't believe it.
You don't need an interview, I posted video proof, and LOL it's not like it wasn't already established that Batman is a master of moving very quickly and it's not like he never dodged a bullet before. Even when Batman was out of shape he dodged a freaking automatic weapon. You're an idiot.
shareDo you know the radius of a shotgun blast smart one? He isn't dodging that I guarantee you that.
I gave video proof to you and you denied it. So unless you have a video of them admitting it was a mistake I'm not convinced.
Second so I guess you do care about choreography then huh? Remember when you said choreography means nothing to me? Hypocrite!
LOL yes I do and I'd like you to demonstrate to me with an actual simulation consistent with the layout of the set that it would be IMPOSSIBLE for even someone with the set of skills that Batman had to have dodged it. The first thing you might want to do is find an expert ninja and confirmation from Christopher Nolan that the ninja you found has the abilities consistent with the character he portrayed.
I don't care about fight choreography, I care about plot holes and Rey should have died meaning the ending is impossible, that is a HUGE problem.
I doubt you do. Second its still not realistic why would someone run within arms reach when they have a shotgun? I will find all that as soon as you provide the interview I asked for.
I don't consider it a mistake I am not convinced.
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You also need to prove to me that random henchman #5 knew that his shotgun would penetrate Batman's suit. From the looks of how the scene was shot he was trying to aim for the face which is why he got closer.
shareAny gunman knows you don't run within arms reach of an opponent. Regardless if you're aiming for the head or not.
shareAnd I'm not counting your shotgun scenario to be a mistake until you demonstrate what I've asked you to.
shareAnd im not granting that mistake in last jedi until you provide what I asked.
shareJust watch the scene again, the guards sword is on a collision course with her neck but then starts swinging upwards at the last second. Show me proof that he was directed to do that and give me an explanation from either the director or writer or producer that explains why he would do something so moronic.
shareExplain why someone with a gun would run within arms reach of someone. Once you do that I will explain. I will wait.
shareI'm really not interested in discussing this with you until you first demonstrate that there was no logical reason for henchman #5 to act the way he did. Just asking why would he do that is not going to cut it. Sorry kid.
shareUm I already did. You are attempting to shoot to kill. Why go within arms reach? What's the thinking there? It gives the opponent the advantage.
shareHow do you know that he knew he would have been able to penetrate his body armor? Watch the scene again he was clearly trying to aim for the most vulnerable area which was his face.
shareSo your first thought is that guy has body armor let me run up within arms reach? A shotgun is going to penetrate body armor. Do you know how strong a shotgun blast is? Even if you are going for the face why run up to him? I wasn't aware you had to be within arms reach to shoot someone in the face.
shareProve to me he didn't know that his shotgun could penetrate his armor, it clearly looks like he's trying to aim for the face and considering how small of a target that is and the fact that he probably doesn't have that many shots you're going to want to make sure you have a clean shot and moving closer is the best way to do that.
Until you prove that idea wrong you don't have a leg to stand on, I'll accept confirmation from Christopher Nolan as your evidence. You might want to get working on that.
Him knowing if it would kill him or not is irrelevant. You don't run within arms reach of somebody when you have a gun. Also you can move closer to get a better shot without going within arms reach of the opponent. So yeah debunked bud sorry.
Sure thing I will get that as soon as you get confirmation about that flaw from Rian Johnson. Might want to get working on that.
It's not irrelevant, if he wasn't sure if his shotgun would pierce Batman's armor then it makes complete sense that he would get closer so that he could get a clean shot at the one place he knew was vulnerable: His face.
I do not need a confirmation of the flaw from Rian Johnson, the guard clearly intentionally missed her, you however do need confirmation from Christopher Nolan because henchman #5 did not intentionally allow Batman to take him down.
Yeah it is. You don't move within arms reach of someone when you have a gun. Getting closer makes sense but getting within arms reach does not. Which is exactly what he did.
Nope looks fine to me. I need confirmation from Rian Johnson I will wait. It is your opinion that he attempted to miss her in my opinion he didn't.
I would suggest saving that discussion for the appropriate venue, the purpose of this thread is to discuss the lightsaber fights, please get back on topic and apologize to the OP for hijacking his thread.
If you don't not follow board guidelines I will have to report you.
Oh BTW this board is for discussing Star Wars: The Last Jedi. Please save your nitpicky bitchy complaints about TDKR for another venue. Thank you.
shareMistake 1: When Kylo, for whatever reason, thrusts his lightsaber into the floor, the guard standing over him hits that instead of going for his head.
Mistake 2: Rey manages to shove three guards away with one kick. Wow! Perhaps it’s the Force giving her additional strength, but I don’t know. It looks pretty phoney.
Mistake 3: Partway into the fight, the camera pans over to reveal a guard crouching in the corner, waiting to fight. But at no point in the various wide shots do we ever see this guy. It looks like he just magically spawned there.
Mistake 4: This dude literally tosses his weapon away right before Kylo kills him. Great tactic, pal.
Mistake 5: The disappearing sword. Nobody can defend this one. The guard doesn’t drop it or get it knocked out of his hand. It just vanishes into thin air for no other reason than the director saw that Rey was about to die and said, “Hey, can someone CG that out? No-one should notice”
Mistake 6: So this guard has Rey in a headlock and is pushing his blade towards her neck. She’s pushing it back with one hand and holding her lightsaber with the other. How does she get out of this? By letting go of both the blade and her lightsaber. And yet for some reason, the blade that was pushing against her hand simply isn’t anymore, allowing her to catch the lightsaber without getting her head cut clean off. WTF?
Mmmmm...no. Still zero lightsaber duels in this movie.
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