i think i know why people hate Star Wars: Episode VIII - The Last Jedi.

For all the film's problems (most of which it inherited from the J.J.'s dumpster fire) one of the dumbest imo is certin fans being pissed off about their stupid fan theories not being realized after J.J. so easily baited them with his empty bullsh!t boxes/plot holes.

I think people hated it because when you go to see a genre movie like Star Wars, MCU, DCEU, ect., you're expecting a certain kind of film. You want an epic experience that taps into the kind of feeling that made you love the genre in the first place.

You want to feel rewarded for being invested in the characters, lore, details, ect.

I always go to "Infinity War" as a good comparison. IW rewards you for being invested in the MCU, and it pays off that investment with an epic film that is really satisfying.

"The Last Jedi", on the other hand, almost punishes you for liking the past films. There is nothing epic or exciting that happens in this movie. The OT characters are disappointing, especially Luke. The new main characters from "The Force Awakens" are not developed in any meaningful way. You HAVE TO make the audience fall in love with your characters if you want to be successful in this genre. "The Last Jedi" fails miserably at this.

At the core of all of this, I really don't think Lucasfilm could be any further out of touch with with what their fanbase wants. They are just banking on the Star Wars name to get them a billion dollars every time they release a movie, story, characters, development, ect. be damned.

This has been argued before and has nothing to do with why I and many people hated it.

Hated because of the style of humor, some terrible characters, and some other silly stuff regarding the overall plot.

Yeah, I might have had ideas of where I would like the story to go, or at least expected it to go (can't blame me, it was set up a certain way previously). But the other issues took me out of the movie before anything "subverted" my expectations.

OP's argument can also be used to excuse the movie if it did absolutely anything at all. The entire cast of Cheers could have walked around saying BEEP for 2 hours and that would "not be what I expected." It was a very poorly written and conceived movie. No mystery. It could have "subverted our expectations" and still have been good. It just wasn't.

So this is the angle that rey defenders are coming from now?

hahahahahahaha

People are facing the end of toxic masculinity and feminity in media and films and subconsciously that is perceived by ego as unrelatable and bad. In my view that's the deepest reason hiding underneath it all, all the other things on top of these roots are just a mirror of this truth deep down. They are a dying breed of generation and these films are basically targetting younger new generations embracing the evolutionary change we are currently going through. Some people have the problem to face the possible realization that as a civilization we are heading towards a genetic androgyny where no male or female exists, but a human being with the sex and a genitalia of both genders and an ability to conceive a child, which based on many theories, discoveries by archeologists and observations by alchemists and prophets, we used to be like this in ancient times before the fall of Atlantis, before the Adam and Eve myth and before religions started futher separating cosmos into duality of good and evil, man and woman, heaven and hell, futher distorting our original design where we contained both in one, a superhuman design. People can't see there's something much bigger than them, the reaction to this film is just a mirror, a small example of what is really going on in their minds psychologically, this is much deeper than just a film, it's the whole fear of an evolution taking its own course, fear of God outside and inside guiding our own evolving path.

I actually liked the part with Luke and Rey as I wouldn’t expect a 60 year old Luke to be the same as the wide eyed 20 year old he was in the original Star Wars. I also approved of getting rid of Snoke as he was just a rehash of the Emperor. The same goes for Ren’s mask. But the whole casino subplot with the codebreaker was goofy and I didn’t care for the Poe vs Holdo subplot.

The "intro" of Luke Skywalker at the end of "The force awakens" was, in my opinion, terrific one of the best moments of the whole saga.

This nice feeling (the comeback of Skywalker among others) was just destroyed in "The last Jedi". What have they done with poor Luke in the last movie???