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‘Star Wars’: The 1 Big Inconsistency Between ‘The Force Awakens’ and ‘The Last Jedi


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If J.J. Abrams set up a clear path for the Star Wars series to follow with The Force Awakens, Rian Johnson takes a sharp left turn in The Last Jedi. For the most part, this is a good thing, as Johnson keeps the audience on their toes and introduces some twists that are shocking but right.

In other ways, though, Johnson seems to recklessly disregard plot points from The Force Awakens. He has said that Abrams and Lucasfilm never told him the solution to some of the mysteries established in the last film, and he was allowed to come up with whatever he wanted to happen next. As a result, there are now some apparent inconsistencies between the two movies. Some are very minor, but there’s one huge inconsistency that Episode IX absolutely must explain. We’ll get into that one on page four.

Here are some of the ways The Last Jedi doesn’t quite line up with The Force Awakens — at least until the series can come up with an explanation. Warning: Major spoilers for The Last Jedi lie ahead.

What’s the deal with the Knights of Ren vision?

In The Force Awakens, Rey touches Luke’s old lightsaber and receives a series of visions. One of those is a massacre carried out by Kylo Ren and the Knights of Ren. The assumption at the time was this was Kylo’s betrayal of Luke and the destruction of the Jedi Temple.

But that can’t be the case. In the flashback to that betrayal in The Last Jedi, it’s not raining, and Kylo doesn’t have the mask yet. So what the heck is this scene? Some fans have theorized it could be a flash forward. But that can’t be true because Kylo destroys his mask in The Last Jedi and he’s wearing it in this vision.

Besides, who exactly are the Knights of Ren, and where are they in The Last Jedi? This seems to be a crucial plot point that Abrams set up but that Johnson wasn’t interested in. Luke does say in The Last Jedi that Ben left with some of his students. But it’s not confirmed whether these are the Knights of Ren.

Hopefully, Abrams will make some sense of the Knights of Ren — and this vision scene — in Episode IX, considering he’s the one who came up with the characters in the first place.


Maz asking Han Solo, “Who’s the girl?”

Making Rey a random young woman whose parents are unimportant was a wise decision. The Last Jedi tosses aside the question of Rey’s parentage as if we should never have been asking it. But was that always the plan? Looking back at The Force Awakens, there are definitely some moments where the film seems to call on us to speculate about Rey’s background, and so it’s easy to understand why some were disappointed in The Last Jedi‘s solution.

For example, there’s the scene at Maz’s Castle where Maz asks Han Solo, “Who’s the girl?” The movie then cuts away and does not reveal Han’s answer. Abrams is clearly being intentionally cryptic here, potentially suggesting that Han knows more about Rey than he’s letting on. If not, at the very least, the edit suggests that Abrams is calling on us to ask who the girl is. It doesn’t seem like the sort of scene you’d put in the film if Rey’s identity and background are completely unimportant.

Based on The Last Jedi, though, Han presumably just told Maz that he has no idea who she is. Ultimately, because of little scenes like these, we get the sense that Abrams was into the idea of building up the mystery of Rey’s background, but Johnson wasn’t into it, resulting in a bit of inconsistency in how the movies present this information. Johnson himself told Slashfilm that Abrams did not tell him what he had in mind for Rey’s parents. Some more collaboration between directors might have resulted in two films that feel less disparate.


The ending of The Force Awakens happens differently in The Last Jedi

This one is more of a minor inconsistency, but it’s still a little annoying. The Force Awakens ends with Rey walking up to Luke on Ahch-To, holding the lightsaber out to him from a distance. About 30 seconds of silence pass, and then the film ends.

In The Last Jedi, we see that same scene a second time, but it’s completely different. Now, Rey walks right up to Luke and hands him the lightsaber. So the whole idea of her standing and holding it out — the iconic image that concluded the last film and that audiences were left with for two years — just doesn’t take place anymore. In addition, the scene also looks nothing like it did before. In The Force Awakens, Ahch-To has a cool, blue tone to it, while the new scene is warm and more orange.

To be fair to Johnson, though, Abrams put him in a difficult spot. Abrams probably legitimately did not know how the encounter with Luke would end and just thought it would be an effective cliffhanger. This forced Johnson to desperately try to figure out what happens after a 30-second awkward silence.

That’s pretty nitpicky, but this next one is actually is much

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TLJ is a sequel that didn't build or add anything interesting when it had the opportunity to do so, and It also puts Episode 9 in a difficult place.

TLJ is the most disappoint star wars films ever made, I'm so pissed Rian J was given free reign on it, and pissed with Disney that they green lit this shit fest.

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1 ? big ? inconsistency ???

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If you read the article, you'll find that the "one big inconsistency" is about Rey's parents. "Why are Rey’s parents leaving Jakku on a spaceship if they’re poor junk traders who died on Jakku?"

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Ive read his posting. But stating that their is just (!) one (!) inconsistency is a little understated.

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Yep!

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Because JJ intended for her to be somebody of importance!!! Rian Johnson comes across as a stupid 10th-grade kid who asks his teacher about every single thing when told to do an extensive critical thinking essay. Be creative! Figure it out! Make it fun!

RJ: Hey JJ who is Rey?
JJ: :) you tell me
RJ: UMMM... I don't know... I guess nobody?
JJ: Whatever you want man it's your movie.
RJ: Okay and so what does Luke say to Rey after she gives him the lightsaber?
JJ: What do you think he would say?
RJ: I have no idea...
JJ: Yeah maybe you should put yourself in Luke's shoes and hold a LS and do whatever comes to mind.
RJ: ...cool um so last question who is Snoke
JJ: (sigh) I guess we'll never know

KK: Are you doing okay with the script?
RJ: Yeah, great no problems so far I guess JJ didn't have answers for any of the questions he left
KK: Yeah, I think you are supposed to fill that in with your creativity
RJ: Ummm okay... I guess
KK: Good now make sure we have an Asian female character added in... and Rey is shown as the Hero. Disney is also concerned about auxiliaries so see if you can add anything we could possibly sell toys with.
RJ: Will do... (Hmm things to sell toys... Seal Penguins, Horse Dogs, and plastic red army men! Done!

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What, make the protagonist from the first movie the hero in the sequel. What a bold and PC move.

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Every time I read Johnson say Abrams never told him what Rey's back story was, I want to say, "Well, did you ask him?" I'm guessing the answer would be, "No."

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Han had to tell Maz who Rey was, because Maz went from asking “Who’s the girl?” to telling Rey that the people she was waiting for on Jakku are never coming back but someone else could instead. Whatever that meant. The fact that Rey didn’t immediately start questioning Maz about who she meant and how she knew made no sense at all.

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Johnson himself told Slashfilm that Abrams did not tell him what he had in mind for Rey’s parents.


No wonder JJ "mystery box" Abrams didn't tell him since he most likely had no clue either.

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that's a bit harsh , Rian had a lot he could of built on , Snoke, Reys parents, Lukes lightsaber , the knights of ren, han solos death , he swapped all this for a long car chase , a random plot in a casino and a flying leia.

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I don't dispute than Rian made little of what he was given. Still, JJ is infamous for his style of non-writing that leaves it to others to make sense of the 'mysteries' he's so fond of.

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Tough, yet honest assessment.

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JJ set up a clear path right up his own rectum. The guy is a hack, he couldn't be a bigger hack if he hacked into the matrix with a hacksaw after a nice game of hacky sack with hackers on the tv in hacksville Illinois.

This is a guy that literally makes all the shit up as he goes along, even gives a name to his bullshit, openly confesses to having no idea where things are supposed to go and has not created ANYTHING of worth in his entire career. He reminds me of this scene from Desperado:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moAZ3AsyhLU

JJ will piss on his audience, piss on the fans, piss on the cast, piss on your dog, piss on your face and some people manage to not only not get mad about it, they're happy about it!

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JJ could create a satisfy trilogy, since he could do good shows for couple seasons, before going to shit

so yes he could do something good for 6-8 hrs

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Rian Johnson is a hack. It's that simple. The movie is an inconsistent mess. Many fans are complaining about the issues that you brought up.

Some fans were wondering why the Knight of Ren weren't in this movie or if Snoke's guards were them. They weren't. He does basically say that he didn't put the Knights of Ren in this movie because there was already so much going on in the movie. He could've had them replace Snoke's guards, but then they would all be killed which would've been a waste. Only decent decision he made.

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