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OT: Forget Red Letter Media! The best coverage of the prequels....


Has recently be done by Charles Sonnenburg at SF Debris:

http://sfdebris.com/videos/special/hermitsjourney.php

It's more of a look at Lucas in the making of the prequels rather than the films themselves. That said, it's definitely the best review of that era of Star Wars around. I highly recommend it!

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He also did two great series on the making of the OT:

http://sfdebris.com/videos/special/herosjourney.php

http://sfdebris.com/videos/special/shadowsjourney.php

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Agreed. And what is with Plinkett's obsession with pizza rolls? Is he trying to encourage obesity?

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I will check it out.

But one thing I really love about the Red Letter Media reviews (especially the Phantom Menace review) is that it's kinda like a screenwriting primer. The way he goes through character, plot, story, and so on, basically uses negative examples from The Phantom Menace (and positive ones from the original films) to do a one hour crash-course in script writing. The techniques and advice he doles out are good writing tips and filmmaking tips underneath it all.

But, I am interested to check out SF Debris' breakdown.

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I highly recommend it. The last part discusses Lucas' plans for the new films and the deal with Disney, too. It's a very interesting analysis.

Keep in mind it's more of an analysis of Lucas himself than the actual films, even though the films and their issues are addressed. Just want to make sure the expectation is correct.

I also like that it's done straight, not in character. Lol. Plinkett is so fucking annoying, even when I do agree with him.

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It took me awhile to get into the Plinkett persona. I understand completely why somebody would not like him.

I will give SF Debris' thing a listen tomorrow, probably; I'll let you know what I think after I watch.

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It's very interesting. Thanks for posting, janelsenor! 👍

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No problemo!

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rlm are hacks who have made a living out of hating on SW.

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If you can make a living doing that, go for it!

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They were obviously paid-off when it comes to their stance on TFA - which was completely out of synch with all of their other SW related reviews, TLJ included.

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I haven't quite finished watching it all yet (there was a lot more of it than I thought there would be), but I'm part-way through Part V.

It's a really interesting series. I find myself wondering how he knows some of the things he knows (he frequently says things like, "What Lucas wanted to do," or, "Lucas wasn't thinking about X - he was concerned with Y") but it's a fascinating look at Lucas' process and journey through the creation of the prequels.

In conjunction with RLM's videos it's very interesting. "This is what Lucas was trying to do," says Sonnenburg. "Sure, but this is what he actually did," replies RLM. I like both series very much.

Sonnenburg hasn't changed my mind about the prequels, though he did change my mind about McCallum, who, assuming Sonnenburg is correct, wasn't just nodding when Lucas talked.

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I have a lot more respect for McCallum after this series.

It's a monster of a series. The last video actually details the planned TV series, Lucas deciding to make sequels, and the handoff to Disney.

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Yeah, I finished it off. I'm now assuming he got most of his data from his "further reading" list, which looks interesting, too.

It's a great series with a lot of good biographical and background information. The central thing I get out of it is that Lucas was trying hard and facing unheard-of challenges from different fronts, but ultimately it boils down to this: he couldn't pull it off. Every time Sonnenburg talks about a deadline coming up and he's not started the script, I'm thinking, "Well...don't be lazy: do your job." A few times, Sonnenburg states that such-and-such "had" to happen because of the timeline, and I can think of a dozen ways out of it. And, ultimately, Lucas' inability to write a character-driven story really fried him on this one. This is from Red Letter Media, but it fits: Anakin's fall to the Dark Side is a character study. Either it needed to be sidelined for the story of the fall of the Republic, or it needed to be written as a character piece. Lucas isn't the best writer for a political film (Aaron Sorkin, maybe...?) or a character piece.

My take on the whole thing, personally, looking at the prequels and now the sequels, is that the writer who could have pulled it off was... nobody. Nobody could or can live up to fan hype and expectations. "Star Wars" sat for too long as a completed trilogy and is revered too highly for this to ever really work to people's satisfaction. Filmmakers can try, but they'll never do the character "right". They won't ever get it right in fans' eyes because they can't.

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Lucas could have pulled it off by simply dropping his ego and letting others help in the writing process. RLM makes fun of Lucas for seeming like he turned in the first draft of the script he wrote in one weekend and just went with it. This other documentary shows that's almost exactly what did happen! It gives some reasons (excuses) as to why things turned out that way, but there were alternatives available if Lucas was willing to share the credit. He was not.

There was a potentially great story lurking in those prequels, but Lucas himself derailed it. According to this documentary, Lucas threw out the original plan he had for the prequels and instead went with the story about the child Anikin, Jar-Jar, and pod racing. That whole first film is a waste of time. Those video clips of Lucas going over the story boards for Phantom of the Menace for the first time are classic. You can tell everyone in the room is thinking "WTF is this?!?"

To me it's like this: the Original Trilogy shows what a collaborative effort between many talented individuals can achieve. The Prequel Trilogy is a character study into the pride and ego of George Lucas, and the New Trilogy is about what happens when a greedy multi-national corporation purchases and takes over something that was once beloved (they destroy it).

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My impression is that its not all narcissistic pride, but that Lucas is just very nervous about what Star Wars should be. I agree that the buck stops with Lucas, though. He should have sidelined his own ego - born from misgivings or control freak behaviour or whatever - and put the project first.

You hit the nail on the head, too. The original films had a balance (of the Force...?) where the auteur visionary was at the head, guiding everybody, but he was tempered with the right craftspeople around him. The prequels unbalanced on the side of the visionary, giving him too much control and too much on his plate. The sequels are now showing what happens when there is no vision, no navigator, no great artist at the heart and at the helm.

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I definitely think he's right that the way he made the story, there was not enough for the first two, and too much for the third. It's of the reasons ROTS disappoints me so much. The fact that it gets a pass from so many fans baffles me.

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