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Do you wish George Lucas was still in control of Star Wars?


I recently rewatched the Star Wars prequels for the first time in over a decade and, I have to say, what I was most struck by was . . . just how good they actually are.

Like a lot of other people, I was initially critical of these films. But upon my rewatch, I realized just how inspired and ambitious George Lucas's vision was. Revenge of the Sith in particular is a fantastic film.

So it made me wonder, would Star Wars be in a better place if Lucas was still in control? I am of course predicating this on him actually making new Star Wars films.

So what I am asking, essentially, is if you think the Star Wars franchise would be in a better place today if George Lucas, and not Disney's minions, had written and directed the last three movies.

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People will write (probably video) similar comments about The Last Jedi in the future...

These are just StarWars movies... they're all pretty average... People have their favourites... The only distiguishing thing is the religious commitment to them by the fans...

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That was my attitude toward the Star Wars franchise until recently.

I mentioned that I had rewatched the prequels. Well actually I rewatched EVERYTHING. I sat down and over the course of six days I watched Eps I-VIII + Rogue One.

Taking the whole story in in one shot like that really helped me to appreciate how good these films actually are - narratively, thematically, sonically and visually.

But it was my re-evaluation of the prequels that most surprised me. I fell in love with those films and realized how visionary they actually are.

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I'm glad you enjoyed them... I do think they have their fans

I did the same thing with the lord of the rings trilogy... watched all of them back to back, it took most of a day with breaks between movies to have lunch and run errands... Unfortunately, my opinion of them haddn't changed 😂 ... I didn't like them before and I still don't like them.... haha... I think you were more fortunate 😉

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The prequels seem to be slowly gaining steam in terms of having their reputations repaired. Younger fans who was just kids when they are first came out are not old enough to have a voice in the fandom and even some older fans have gone back to re-evaluate them.

A couple of days ago I even learned of a documentary that tackles the subject:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGyv85zitYg

Regarding Lord of the Rings, I'm sorry to hear that you did not enjoy them. I absolutely LOVE Fellowship of the Ring and I also enjoy Two Towers and Return of the King. Fellowship especially is a fantastic film, and the trilogy as a whole is an enormous achievement in my opinion.

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People are now seeing what someone else is doing, the struggles they are having, you can now look back and really see what Lucas was trying to do there and ppreciate the world building he was doing, he was doing what till then only the novels had been doing..creating a universe. After seeing TFA and TLJ I think it really shines a light on what Lucas was trying to do and how little the new guys have really done.

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As a whole, I believe Lord of the Rings Trilogy is a great set of films and very well made. I am not sure we will ever have a better made set of fantasy films. I don't think there is anything about them that if you didn't like them before would change upon a rewatch. So I am not surprised going back would have little effect on your opinion.

The PT on the other hand has some legitimate issues I think would distract a person, especially if they are really emotional. In time and with the power of the current films one could go back and see it with a little more critical eye. Yes the flaws would still be there but the elements a person was unwilling to see or appreciate would also be there.

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They were all terrible and great at the same time, like all Star Wars movies.

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So what's your answer to the question then: Would it be better if Lucas was still in charge or not?

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Depends what you mean by 'in charge'. Writer director? No thanks. Overseeing the writers and directors? That might work.

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I did the same thing a while ago. Watched all of them chronologically. And I had the exact same experience as you. Indeed the prequels have flaws and dumb elements and some poor speciel effects (especially in SW-II).... but the build up and its ambition is no joke. In fact much of the meat to the saga is really created in SW-II and SW-III - much more than SW IV-VI. The complexity of the saga and story is very ambitious and even though SW-I is childish, then SW-III is anything but, in fact it is wonderfully dark. Together they complete a whole in a way. I was let down by them like most of us, but in hinsigt they have merits and deserve more respect than they get. They are honest and they have a purpose. Christ, the whole setup with Palpatine etc... wauu, imagine if we knew there was this much meat to the story back when....

Now under the belt of Disney we are getting them left and right and I find that exciting, even if it is not perhaps living up to my hopes (I loathe SW-VIII). The story telling is better now (Lucas is no Director - something he learned during A New Hope, and then apparently forgot when he started on Phantom) and the effects are marvelous... but they lack originality and vision and not least ambition and in a sense they lack purpose (my biggest biff). It seems they are taking us nowhere and they feed upon all the prequels, slowly destroying what they were essentially about, imo. So, I would rather wish that Lucas was on board as the main author still and Disney and their lust for productions on for the rest.....

Lucas alone would likely be too slow in production, and as we learned too risky in quality of the movie making
Disney alone is without true originality and ambition, and lack respect of the history..

A combination of the two would give us something much better...

If I had to choose one over the other, I think Disney is my pick, sadly... I still hope for originality and purpose to awake in their productions...

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Good post. Thanks for the thoughts.

I'm glad to hear that you found a new appreciation for the prequels. You may also be interested in the documentary that I just mentioned above to Renovatio. It's called The Prequels Strike Back; here's the trailer again:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGyv85zitYg

In my opinion the prequels got better with each successive film. Attack of the Clones, in my opinion, was better than Phantom Menace (although I know not everyone shares this opinion) and Revenge of the Sith is clearly the best of the three and really is a great movie. Lucas explores some very interesting themes about the nature of good and evil, and Anakin's turn is such that we sympathize with him and can understand his point of view (or at least I felt that way). The story feels so grand and, as we've said, ambitious. And it really felt like he was doing something DIFFERENT with those films than he did with the original trilogy.

The Disney films, like you say, lack ambition. I actually do like Episode VIII, but I think that Episode VII is dreadfully dull and Rogue One, while good, is very simple narratively. In the shadow of the prequels they are all shrinking violets.

The thing about Lucas as a director is that after re-evaluating the prequels, I came to believe that I misjudged his abilities on that front. Sure, I still found flaws, but I also started to feel like he is actually a better director than I first believed and better than he's usually given credit for. And more than that, it seems that his abilities and assuredness increased markedly from one film to the next, culminating in Revenge of the Sith when he was firing on all cylinders.

If he were to come back to the director's chair would we get ROTS-level Lucas, or something else? I guess we will never find out, unfortunately. But I sure wish that we could. I'm almost dying to know what it is that he would actually deliver and how it would compare to the Disney films.

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I was never as enamoured with Star Wars as the biggest fans of the OT here, heck, my father told me that he and my mother went off to see A New Hope in 1977 and left me (4) and my sister (7) at home (babysat, I hope)!

I remember A New Hope being on TV at Christmas, and then me and my sister saw Return of the Jedi in cinemas. Yes, I didn't see Empire Strikes Back until AFTER RotJ, so the whole famous "father" twist never happened for me.

I loved the spaceships and the action and I was particularly fascinated by the Death Star (still am) but I don't recall playing with the toys or anything like that, not ones I owned, anyway. But I remember how BIG everything in Star Wars was, compared to every other space movie like it.

And then the Prequels came around, I watched each of those around five times each, and I wasn't offended by anything in them, not even Jar Jar. I figured they were for a different generation, and they were telling a backstory decades past, so they would have a different feel. To me, it's like the OT focuses on a few core people, and the PT covers a much wider group of places and cultures. The writing and directing may be a bit off, but Lucas sure knows world-building.

As for George Lucas being here today to helm the movies: Lucas works best when surrounded by talented people, but he is not really a writer or director by himself, and this aspect harmed the Prequels. His best work was when others were advising and assisting him, as in the OT. If he was at the helm and repeated that, we could have better movies than what Disney churned out, and at least they would be ORIGINAL. Last but not least, he should've been allowed to write his treatments (with help) for VII-IX.

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Yes, I definitely agree that the prequels feel much broader in scope than the OT, and that's one thing I like about them. They feel more epic. As you say, one thing Lucas knows is world building. It is my own dream to one day be a filmmaker and Lucas's world building is something I've paid a lot of attention to for that reason.

I know I'm very much in the minority in saying this, but I think I actually like the prequels more than the OT. They are the SW films that I have found myself thinking the most about and they are also the ones that I feel most compelled to go back and rewatch. In terms of narrative and themes to explore, I just have this sense that the prequels have more to offer.

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Even a porg would make better Star Wars movies then Disney. So its a clear "Yes".

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George should have realised he was a crap director and worked with other directors to create good movies with him overseeing. If he were in control he at least would never have allowed the present debacle to happen.

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I think George Lucas should have been retained to manage the overall story while others helped write and direct the films. He would have been more conscious of how to make everything work while expanding the series and still respecting the past. We don't know for sure if it would have been better, but i think it would have been more likely to be better.

What we do know though is TFA is a somewhat lazy semi reboot, and TLJ is largely not a well made film from a director who may not know how to properly play in someone else s world.

Revenge of the Sith is a good film and I would easily place it above TLJ and TFA.

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The prequels themselves would have been better if Lucas allowed others to help more. He didn't need to direct them. Just having directors that work better with actors would have helped immensely.

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Absolutely correct. Lucas is bad at directing, his first draft for Star Wars was awful, and he had lots of help on improving it from his friends Steven Spielberg, Francis Ford Coppola and Martin Scorsese. That's why he decided to give ESB and ROTJ to other, experienced directors.

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Marcia Lucas made the ending of Star Wars exciting in the editing room. She received a well deserved Oscar for it.

Lucas basically ruined the franchise with the prequals and special editions. Why should Disney believe they have to hold a torch for the original Star Wars (sans A New Hope) or The Empire Strikes Back?

George Lucas would not have helped much, but Gary Kurtz would have.

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