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Which of the following scenes infuriated you the most?


- Poe's prank call to the First Order
- The Mary Poppins Scene
- Luke bitching and moaning the whole film
- Luke attempting to kill Kylo Ren in his sleep
- Luke's boob milking
- Rey having no backstory or explanation for her Mary Sue powers
- Admiral Holdo (sp?) not telling Poe her plan which results in a mutiny
- The Casino Planet
- Rose knocking Finn out of the way of the cannon which put both of their lives and the lives of everyone in the resistance in danger
- Snoke's death
- Captain Phasma's death
- Luke's death

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D. All of the above


although the most ridiculous scene to grace a movie was flying space leia...I can't wait for this to be spoofed sometime soon.

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Simple. Play the scene with the Superman theme, that will do fine.

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- Rose knocking Finn out of the way of the cannon which put both of their lives and the lives of everyone in the resistance in danger

I don't think the danger for the resistance changed because of her actions. She did compound Finn's mistake by destroying both of their crafts and putting herself unnecessarily in danger. They both could have easily died if not for their plot armor.

I'm more troubled by the mixed message that Holdo's suicide is a noble sacrifice and Finn's attempted sacrifice was just toxic masculinity. Insubordination helps smooth it over a bit but not really.

I don't know how much of Johnson's subversive themes will go forward into episode IX so I doubt I will get to see how Johnson would reconcile those conflicting notions of sacrifice. It is a thematic flaw in a film that addressed many interesting "assumptions" about the Star Wars universe.

On a side note, I want to know where the money is coming from to pay the arms dealers for all this very expensive equipment that gets destroyed in every film. Both sides seem have an endless supply and treat everything, including planets and their resources as disposable. WTF.

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I think Holdo's suicide "okay" in movie terms because she was already dead. Poe's actions lead to a lot of lost ships. Now, an argument could be made for his actions (destroying the dreadnought was a HUGE morale bump for the rebels and a MASSIVE psychological hit to the empire), but I think there is a difference between committing to a risky attack with a high cost and using a "walking dead" ship/pilot to buy some time and kill some guys.

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Why couldn't auto-pilot or a droid have hyperspaced through the destroyers?

rose stopped finn from destroying the cannon and they share their ir-kiss as the rebel base explodes in the background .... ?

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Darn right with auto-pilot. That scene was a beautiful moment, well-shot, so well executed, but created a *ton* of problems with the rest of the series. If hyperspeed kamikaze runs are so crippling, they should have a bunch of blockade runner or Millennium Falcon-sized ships piloted by droids just ramming each other to smithereens. Six or seven ships like that would decimate that entire fleet. Even two or three (which could easily have been the other ships in The Last Jedi who didn't go "ramming speed") would cripple them.

Heck, Poe's best move right at the beginning would have been to just never exit lightspeed and smash into the dreadnought. One ship sacrificed, one insanely powerful warship is history.

Rose had no excuse either. They were moving at extremely high velocity in open-air cockpits. Rose was also a totally superfluous character, but that move at the end? That was next-level stupid.

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You can blame Lucas for the "weaponising of hyperspace", he as much as mentioned it through Han in ANH: "Travelling through hyperspace ain't like dusting crops, boy! Without precise calculations you'll fly right through a star", etc. I just wonder why they didn't do it sooner in the OT.

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That only implies that it's dangerous for the ship doing it, not that it's a fleet-obliterating weapon. When Holdo rams the Imperial fleet, it obliterates one ship and causes shrapnel to blow up several others. All Han says is, "That'll end your trip real quick."

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Noone realize how long she watched the other rebel ships being destroyed one after another before she starts to turn the leading ship around? Where was there anything noble at all? She already was dead. All she did was delaying her death and let other rebels killed in the meantime by the empire (I decline to use the new terms, cause its obvious that they are just marketing labels).

And the other major problem is that any space battle form the past and any future space battle is now a complete waste of time. Only put your lousy old ship to light speed any anything will be destroyed. Never agains the battle for the Death Star would have any meaning. All thos stupid rebels would have to do is buy the MF from Solo put it on Autopilot anf into lightsped and destroyed it is .... the all mighty Death Star :) .

This movie is by far the most stupid SciFi movie since the cheap SW ripoffs of the 80s. I hope that all the SW fans are glad now, when they destroyed the prequels. They had their problems (Yar Yar, Force is sourced by some blood ingredients, etc. ). But against this major desaster they shine like pure diamonds!

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Yeah, the film was inconsistent when it came to sacrifice and Rose's actions, followed by the most awkward kiss in cinema made it a very frustrating scene.

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Several of them, so I'll put them in descending order of irritation:

Rey and Snoke - There's one movie to go, so I'm hoping there's a twist in it regarding Rey's backstory, but I was annoyed that it wasn't developed any further in this film and that RJ just wrote it off with a "you're nobody with nobody parents". Same applies to Snoke. The way Ren killed him was actually cool, but the film did nothing to develop the character or his backstory.

Prank call - it was just infantile and not even funny.

Phasma - shouldn't have even been in the film given she was apparently thrown into a trash compactor on a base that was subsequently destroyed in short order.

Casino planet (Canto Bight) and mutiny - Totally unnecessary sub-plot. Slicer could have simply been a prisoner on the Republic cruiser, offered freedom if he helped. Or, just have Holdo tell Poe the plan from the outset, then the whole mutiny sub-plot goes away.

Luke's death - Not really necessary.

The rest were OK. I can live with them.

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I think Rey had a different name, was Luke's daughter who he was training at the temple. Luke thought she was killed, but Kylo took her and hid her on Jakku as "Rey."

Kylo then lies to her about her family because, of course, he wants her to join him.

Luke tosses the saber because he believes his daughter was killed by one. He doesn't want to train Rey because she reminds him of the daughter he lost, not even realizing she is right in front of him.

That would be poetic.

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Something like that would be far better than her just being nobody.

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Kylo and Snoke both knew who she was in Force Awakens before ever meeting her, which would be odd for a random nobody.

How would Kylo even know who her parents are if they were actually junkers who sold her?

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That’s what I’ve been trying to figure out! How in the world did he have so many details about her parents? He knew they were junk traders who sold her for drinking money and they are buried in a commoners grave on Jakku. Where in the hell did he get all that info?? 🤔

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Just the fact that he has every reason in the world to lie to her and make her believe her past is meaningless, the fact that he keeps telling her to let the past die... He killed her past by telling her this, something he couldn't possibly know.

Rian Johnson even said in an article that Rey's parentage is technically still up to J.J. Abrams, and that anything can still happen in the next movie.

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"Where in the hell did he get all that info??"
IMHO from Snoke.
That guy was really cool character. So many questions about who he was, how he knew Vader, and hoped Kylo would become "another" one.
TFA built up so many fascinating questions about the character, then has him killed off.
Now we'll likely never find out answers that seem pretty relevant to the story.
So many unnecessary characters in this movie, and they get rid of what would seem to be a major player.
I really don't care about Rose or Poe that much.
Finn was so much more interesting in TFA, but again, a great set up, but he's not particularly compelling here.
Not enough wonder to find out what happens to them in IX anyway.
Heck, even Chewy wasn't that interesting, and that's saying a lot.
Chewbacca was ALWAYS fun to watch.
Not in TLJ.🤔

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I really like Snoke too. He needs his own movie

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That would be cool

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Ok crap my reply was in the wrong place

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Great list. The Mary Poppins Scene (nice one!) will go down in infamy. I would add:

- Whatever Rose said to Finn before she croaked; some horribly, cringe-inducing tripe about love that, in that moment, felt like a Family Guy parody
- Adam Driver's face. The guy can not emote to save his life. One expression only. He and Keanu might be brothers.
- The shirtless Adam Driver scene. Vital to the story.
- The sexual innuendo in the scene with that alien in the aviator shades talking about the code-breaker guy. She says something like, "Oh, he's good at everything."
- That genius Kylo Ren couldn't figure out that Luke wasn't actually there after the pummeling and barrage of laser beams
- We've seen how powerful the Force is. Yet there are battles where they don't use it to its full effect because the fight would be too easy. Selective usage to buoy the drama I guess.
- Luke's storyline has been overcooked a thousand times. This is the trite "curmudgeonly retired man has to be persuaded to do ONE LAST JOB."
- Did I mention Adam Driver?
- Benicio Del Toro in Star Wars? Seriously?
- I love Laura Dern, but she was miscast. She doesn't exactly project authority. Judi Dench would have smoked that part.

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Yes, Del Toro didn't really belong.

And on the last point: why not cast an already-established character rather than inventing Holdo? Why not Crix Madine? Or Carlist Reikaan? Or where the heck was Mon Mothma? Any of those would have lent more gravitas to the part and could still have gone out like a hero by doing the lightspeed bullet. Even could have had Ackbar survive the bridge destruction (perhaps have him off the bridge at the time?) and have him take command. Imagine him doing the lightspeed bullet in the cruiser he's probably commanded for decades. That would have been boss!

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Think the point was that the estaished characters would have had Poe's respect at the start and he wouldn't have squared off to them in the manner he did.

Though I have a quick question for those with military experience. If you got a new commanding officer and one of your squad who had just majorly screwed up in terms of loses of equipment and disobeying orders squared up to them just as they took command. What would have happened to them?

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Lando could have filled that role as well! I feel like bringing him
back into the story would make sense.

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But that wouldnt been a woman. TLJ had only women in major roles and as heros. Men were simply stupid sidekicks (like at 1950s comedies with exchanged gender roles).

But even by SJW movie regulations that was a stupid move, cause there is a major female role which would have built up emotions during that hyperspeed suicide .... Leia! That would have been a perfectly meaningful end for its character.

But there is, beside the SJW ideology, another new baseline at Disney Wars. OT characters arent allowed to shine (that would decrease the selling value of the new characters). Therefor it was a meaningless woman which waited way too long (and allowed the death of hundreds of rebels in the meantime) before she commited suicide. Which was fine, because she is a women. But the same thing done by a men a few minutes later ..... is just an incredible stupid move.

I never was that much of a Star Wars fan. But now I see how amazing the OT was compared to that ideology and profit centered trash produced by Disney.

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It felt like a series of ever increasing 'jump the shark' moments right from the word go.

It started off on a poor note with the prank call. I mean using a "Your momma" joke essentially, in a SW franchise?? If that was a jump the shark moment then the bit with Leia turning into Superwoman was like a backflip or somersault over the shark. And then by the time it got to the Casino Planet I was scratching my head so much I almost rubbed my scalp away. I kept expecting James Bond to turn up in that scene. Like, seriously, you wouldn't have aliens in a James Bond franchise, and people dressed in tuxedos at a casino was the equivalent for Star Wars.

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Yes, it all became rather absurd

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"May the farce be with you" is more appropriate for this film.

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I think I see this more as a sequel to Spaceballs rather than a Star Wars film.

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Didn't mind the prank call as a cheeky ruse to prevent Hux giving a "fire" order. The problem I had was that Hux would take the call at all. His orders were to wipe the last of the rebel fleet out of the sky. The movie made it clear that there were no more rebels, so you don't need to interrogate anybody to find more bases. Just wipe them out.

I didn't like Luke's complaining because I felt like every scene with Luke and Rey for the first half of the movie was the same scene. "Help me!" "Go away!" ad nauseum. It's bad writing. Scene 1 makes Scene 2 happen with building urgency. If Scene 2 is Scene 1 again, one of those scenes is pointless.

I bought Luke's moment of fear. I thought it was a great illustration of how one *tiny* moment of weakness can be ruinous. Luke isn't immune to lapses of judgement and so I didn't think that was a problem. Luke's characterisation was mishandled, but not because of that.

Milking scene -didn't care.

I prefer Rey with no "special" parents. I'm tired of characters in movies all being directly related (Sandman in Spiderman 3, for instance).

Holdo's drove me nuts. She should have either told Poe the plan or told him, "You're a soldier, I'm the general, you do your job and I'll worry about mine". Either way, Poe still could have gone off half-cocked. In fact, it would have highlighted the problems of his impulsiveness *more* if Holdo was a good leader, but just too patient for Poe's liking.

Everything about the Casino Planet plotline and Rose's superfluous character were aggravating. Rose's idiot move at the end deprived a brilliant character arc for Finn: coward to martyr.

Snoke was boring. I don't miss him. It was a great scene, too, which the movie needed more of.

Phasma was boring, too.

I prefer Luke as the main character. I'm sorry he's dead. That said, it was epic. If they had to kill him, they did it well.

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Pretty much everything about Luke. It's like they made up a completely different character, he wasn't like the Luke character in any way. They ruined him. It would have been better if they had never even had him in the films and left him back at Jedi. Incredibly disappointed. To me, whoever came up with this plot was an idiot.

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Rian Johnson did. He's an uber-idiot.

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