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What Happened To Binghampton


50 years of progressive Democrats. Binghampton is the 2nd worst economy now in the nation just below Detroit -- another progressive paradise.

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First, it's Binghamton, not Binghampton.

Second, IBM pulled out of the area, taking away a lot of tax money and high paying jobs. Everything else just sort of fell apart after that. No new industry moving in to replace it, the younger generation moving away because no jobs.

NYS hasn't really done anything to help revitalize the area either. Binghamton isn't alone here, basically most of upstate NY faces these problems.

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Upstate NY is gorgeous, especially the 100 Island Region -- just incredible and also Lake George area. Corps just can't deal with all the regulations of NY state government. Even the tax free 10 years isn't luring in that many companies to locate there, unfortunately.

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As Ryan said, IBM moving away destroyed the economy, and now the University is the only thing really keeping the area going. Binghamton today is part of the rustbelt and, far from being some sort of proof that Progressive or Keynesian economic theory is a failure is more an indictment of the Reagan-driven 'Trickle Down' economics that led to massive outsourcing, the death of most American manufacturing, and a massive transfer of wealth from the middle class to the rich that crippled said middle class. Trickle Down economics is based on a lie that what is good for the wealthy is good for everyone and all the wealthy create jobs. Ignoring for a second that most of the rich that Reagan wanted to help just invested their money and created zero jobs, there is the fact that it made it so much easier for those who actually WERE producing jobs at the time to fire all their American workers and move manufacturing overseas. There is no way for American workers, who have to be able to afford to live in the USA, can compete in terms of salary with workers in China and other nations that are slaves in all but name. It is a lot easier to be able to employee people who have no options of any kind (again, they're basically slaves) because corporations can pay them pretty much nothing, while in America workers must actually be paid.

And for the record, I graduated from BU & lived in the area for 3 years after going to school there, and while geographically it is pretty due to being the northern foothills of the Appalachians, when you compare it to the Finger Lakes or the beautiful Lake George, you don't seem to know what you're talking about. Even if the region hadn't been crippled by IBM leaving and Endicott-Johnson shoes going under, it is ALWAYS rainy and cloudy and can snow until May. Cayuga, Seneca, George, and Otsego are all relatively close kettle lakes that are gorgeous, but Binghamton's proximity to those places doesn't confer their beauty upon it. Also, while I addressed your political/economic points in kind, I find your trying to make a political point out of real people's lives (and again you don't seem to know what you're talking about) pretty distasteful.


Well if you wanted to make Serak the Preparer cry, mission accomplished.

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It appears that the pols in Albany are intent upon making and keeping anything north of NYC a nature preserve.

Sadly, there are people who are trying to survive in that human-free zone. For now, the animals are winning.

E pluribus unum

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I have absolutely no idea what that means. Are you saying the economy is poor in Binghamton, the rest of NY State outside of the NYC Metro Area as the result of what NY State politicians have done? First of all, NY has a split legislature with a Democratic majority in the Assembly and a Republican one in the Senate working with Democratic governor Andrew Cuomo. And NY is also corrupt as hell across Party Lines, as recently both the Democratic Speaker of the Assemby and the Republican Senate Majority Leader were convicted for different corrupt actions.

And if you're saying that Liberal policies are making it a 'human-free zone,' that is proven false by facts. I grew up in the NYC Metro and live in San Francisco now. The state and local taxes in both areas are just about the highest in the nation, and yet there has been no exodus of 'job creators,' and millionaires/billionaires. Those millionaires/billionaires make constant complaints that they'll leave if taxes go up - Sean Hannity is a recent example - but their unwillingness to leave these cities/states shows how unserious their complaints are.

I'd love to stay and chat...but I'm not going to.

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I don't think I gave you any right to call me an 'idiot,' or 'blind.' I said you did not seem to know what you were speaking of, as it appeared to me that you were applying economic theory to a region you have never lived in and likely never even been to. To me, insulting someone as an 'idiot' is clear proof that one has no facts or ability to win an argument.

Investing money in a private account, receiving a massive inheritance (and most wealth in the USA is inherited wealth given to people who did not 'earn' that money...trust fund babies that Warren Buffet calls 'members of the lucky sperm club') or investing in businesses that move overseas does NOT result in money for anyone other than the person who invested the money: mere wealth itself does not create jobs, nor does it better the economy through its sheer existence. I believe in Keynesian economic theory which says that the economy does not get better by simply giving more to the wealthy and HOPING (with no instrument to allow anything beyond hope) that they spend it in ways that benefit everyone and the economy itself, but it DOES get better if we give more money to poor and middle class people because they MUST spend it. Instead of investing it in ways that will benefit no one but themselves, the poor and middle class must spend their money on food, clothes, and other such necessitities. The places that they buy those goods from will then be able to hire new workers, and those workers will then have more money to spend, and everyone will start doing better, because there will be more private sector jobs which will then take the place of the government spending that was originally needed to give the poor and middle-class more money.

Part of the reason IBM left Binghamton had nothing to do with rising costs of workers or anything like that, but because they polluted so much that they created a 'toxic plume' that is still underneath Endicott, Johnson City, Vestal, and Binghamton and has resulted in increased rates of cancer for those who, unlike IBM, could not simply leave for someplace else. I know multiple people in their 20s who have developed cancers and other illnesses that are normally seen in older people.

What Reaganomics (which George H. W. Bush termed 'voodoo economics') really leads to is a race to the bottom where American workers have to fight for jobs against people who are little better than slaves, and it is NOT good for the economy. In order to become competitive with those foreign slaves, workers would have to work for so little money that they could not afford to live in this country without state and federal assisstance, meaning that tax payers would be paying the difference so that the workers do not starve to death or die of a case of a house cold. This in effect is already happening in the USA at companies like Walmart and McDonalds. Those companies could still make a LARGE profit by paying their workers enough to survive and get off federal assistance, BUT in an attempt for even BIGGER profits, they have conned the American people into subsidizing those profits. They pay their workers starvation wages and, simply to keep them alive, the government must provide them with enough to survive, meaning that the government steps in and makes up the difference between what the companies SHOULD be paying their employees in order for those employees to survive, and what they are ACTUALLY are paying them.

I may be a 'blind idiot,' but to me it is simple math: If a person needs $15 an hour to survive without needing government assistance, but a company only pays $7 an hour, then the tax payers are forced to make up the other $8 unless we want people starving to death in the streets and full-on revolution (for what responsible person would starve and watch his/her family starve to death and merely accept it?). It is MORE expensive for tax payers to subsidize the large profits of companies that pay their workers almost nothing than it would be if the wealthiest Americans saw their income taxes go up.

But I'd be surprised if you read this, since the paragraph structure is displeasing to you and I am 'an idiot.' But if you DO read it and you cannot find anything better to say (and I do admit that there is almost no data since 1980 that will support Trickle Down Reaganomics, so I do almost sympathize with you) than to resort to name-calling, then maybe you should find a better way to spend your time?

I'd love to stay and chat...but I'm not going to.

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Thank you for the apology, and yes it seems we'll not be able to convince each other, but I just wanted to elaborate on what I meant by a revolution.

I took a course in college (at Binghamton University!) that spoke of how the class structure of any society required rhe acceptance of such a structure from the lowest and middle classes to survive; in other words, people on the bottom rung need to accept the station of those higher than them. In the USA and other capitalist 'democracies,' the poor and middle-class accept their station based on two premises: one is that those above them got to their higher station through hard work and inegenuity and therefore 'deserve' to be on top. The second premise is that through their OWN hard work and ingenuity, anyone from the poor and middle-class can rise up to the highest rung of society. Without those two premises, it is hard to imagine poor people accepting that they are poor and must struggle simply to survive and to provide for their family while others, through nothing beyond luck, (like Donald Trump, Mitt Romney, the Bush family, etc.) are born into wealth and privilege.

I believe that the current situation in Flint, Michigan shows how close were are to revolution. The Republican Governor there, Rick Snyder, has the power to circumvent local democracy by installing his own 'emergency managers' who are accountable to no one but him. In an attempt to save money, Snyder's emergency manager for Flint switched the source of Flint's drinking water in a way that caused all the water to be heavily polluted with lead. As soon as the plan was announced in 2014 there was an outcry from the EPA and scientists that if the water was not treated properly, it would become tainted with lead and poison the populace, but Snyder's Administration labeled any who said such things as alarmists and political opportunists.

Here is why I fear this could lead to revolution: say you live in Flint with your family but you do not have the money to leave, to afford enough bottled water for drinking and hygeine, and have no family members or friends in neighboring towns where you could shower or do laundry. Would you simply sit back and watch yourself and your family get sick, with permanent damage being done to your children, or would you decide that the law no longer mattered to you and you were going to try to depose the governor - by force if necessary - and see your respect of property rights/laws vanish? Could you responsibly allow your family and yourself to suffer and maybe die instead of revolting against a system so broken and corrupted that your governor could poison the populace and not only be unlikely to face a single charge from what is at BEST criminal negligence, and at worst a cruel indifference to human life/health/and suffering. further enrich his already wealthy supporters, but also most likely keep his job?

So what would YOU do? I know for me, I'd revolt and declare that my government no longer had any legitimacy with me, as a plutocratic oligarchy does not require the consent of the governed, all it needs is people accepting the dominance/rule of the wealthiest 1%, and the 99% won't accept that rule when people are being poisoned. The Declaration of Independence says that a free people have the right to overthrow a government that has stopped serving the people, and I cannot imagine how - short of actively poisoning and murdering people on the street - a government can show more contempt for its own people than Snyder's has done.

When it comes down to the health and safety of oneself and one's family (and even their life and death) then property rights become a luxury, and unless the people can come together - either as a state in Michigan's case, or for the USA as a whole - to create new laws to re-establish a government that is legitimate and answerable to the will of the majority of the people, then I don't really see how we can avoid a bloody, French/Russian-style revolution (and not a comparatively tame one - aside of course from the war itself - we began in America in 1775) or a reversion to a state of survival of the fittest...in order to save capitalism in such a scenario, we'd need a new FDR who could make changes that expand democracy and a greater equality of opportunity; I don't think any of the candidates for president from either Party is likely to approach FDR, but hopefully one of them is able to again save capitalism for, if not, we could indeed wind up in a very dark and dangerous place.


I'd love to stay and chat...but I'm not going to.

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Your initial post and subsequent response were some of the best I've ever read, anywhere.

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I always thought SUNY Buffalo was the best public university in upstate NY and New England.

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Attempted troll who only has a negative pointless remark.
If you don't know the name of the place you're criticizing, your credibility is likewise canceled.
OK Bingotown is not in the Hamptons, but it is fairly close to NYC, closer than the real Hamptons anyway. No shoreline, but a birthplace of IBM, and modern industry. We put out top quality military electronics, 2nd only to Framingham Mass & Silicon Valley.
It's not a backwater, unless you grew up in metro NYC, but a great escape spot. The Finger Lakes and its wine industry are still a nice secret thank goodness, & its relaxed pace is a relief from the stress of city living.

The reason I'm posting this is simply my curiosity of why Binghamton is so deliberately featured in this ultra lightweight movie, perhaps intended for insomniacs? Anyone out there know the who what & why Binghamton? Looks like it was entirely filmed there, altho very little was shown except for the BU campus. Great cast tho, the only saving grace of the movie.

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Dude, Marc Lawrence, the writer/director of the movie went to College there.
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50 years of progressive Democrats.


It has nothing to do with democrats (or republicans). IBM left. That's why it went into the $h*tt*r.

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