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Interesting story that falls apart in the end.

posted 7 years ago by Brother_h
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Like the rest of the animated films recently, this starts with an interesting premise but the climax is ultimately a giant jerk off.

The characters are actually very interesting. Even Batman being Batwanked into it has some great scenes, but his presence is very out of place.

The Animation is as expected. Very poor animation and too many scenes of stillness, no animation at all for as long as 10 seconds. Even the final battle looked no better than Daytime anime battles.

The humor is great. The best thing about the movie. Constantine, Boston, and Batman all share hilarious scenes.

The action is a lot of flash, that's about it.

Batman isn't in the movie as much as expected, but as usual, more than the other Justice League are.

Overall this movie is an improvement from the last films, but nothing really special.

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[–] apriloish 7 years ago

To each his own but i felt this was a great fun dark flick.It wasnt amazing though but the characters worked well an had fun action as for flash with magic characters all you really get is flash because they just shoot beams an stuff there not hand to hand fighters.Its all hocus pocus as far as the animation goes i dont know what you saw but it looked fine.As far as batman goes he is in it more then the others because in the comics he is friends with most of these people so he is the right character to introduce them.This story was never about the justice league an batman is only there because he is friends with these people in the comics.So he fits also you listed alot of good stuff an more good then bad but yet you end it with this wasnt nothing special lol this movie to me was a great justice league flick about the magical hereos the story was descent an the characters made it fun there isnt much else needed with a team movie

[–] Brother_h 7 years ago

I loved it as it started building up but towards the climax it really, to me, started to fall apart. Animations just looked too flat and sometimes jittery which has been a problem for years now in past movies.

The characters are great though and their chemistry was fantastic and hilarious. I didn't like the constant reminder than Zatanna and Constantine were a couple, or were friends shtick whenever they were alone. IT was like "Hey remember when we did that thing while we were a couple?" over and over, but otherwise, the rest was great.

atman goes he is in it more then the others because in the comics he is friends with most of these people so he is the right character to introduce them.

Wrong. He is friends, or at least knows of Zatanna who is/was friends with Constantine and he needed her help to find him. Constantine introduced Batman to the mystic side of the world. Batman was absolutely not needed.

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[–] dogo-14226 7 years ago

Batman was needed to help introduce the others also what I meant is in the comics batman is friends with these guys it helps make introducing these characters easier with batman there not to mention batman as shown in this film was a team member of there team an he was used as a team member helping them out in the fights

[–] Brother_h 7 years ago

>Batman was needed to help introduce the others

False. Batman needed Zatanna to introduce him to Constantine to help with the mystic threats. Constantine introduces Batman to the Mystic side of the universe and Constantine alone unites the "team".

In the comics, Batman only knows of most of these people. He doesn't actually know them personally. Again, only Constantine, Doctor Fate, and Zatara know of and introduce the mystic characters to the JLA members.

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[–] dogo-14226 7 years ago

Your missing the entire point its for the audience batman is there to help introduce the audience to the new characters who have no idea who they are it makes the transition easier for the average person to show batman first

[–] Brother_h 7 years ago

That's not the point because Batman is still not needed since Constantine introduces the characters. Constantine explains who they are and how they came to be. Constantine brings them together. Batman is just there for no reason other than to have a familiar face to draw viewers.

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[–] Otaku-sempai 7 years ago

Batman is needed as the Justice League's representative to locate John Constantine through Zatanna.

In the comics, Batman only knows of most of these people. He doesn't actually know them personally.

In the comics, Batman has been previously allied with several JLD members and other supernatural beings: Zatanna, Swamp Thing, Deadman; Doctor Fate; Doctor Occult; Doctor Thirteen (a lot of doctors seem to be attracted to the supernatural); the Phantom Stranger; the Spectre; Zauriel; even Jason Blood/Etrigan.

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[–] Brother_h 7 years ago

Except the Justice League aren't needed at all as far as the story goes. The movie wouldn't be any different without Batman or the JLA. Constantine literally introduces the whole Justice League Dark team himself and fights the mystic enemies himself or with his team because they know how to. The movie absolutely did not need Batman or the JLA.

Yes, in the comics, but this movie isn't in the comics. It's separate. Batman doesn't know these people. He barely knows Zatanna.

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[–] Otaku-sempai 7 years ago

Except the Justice League aren't needed at all as far as the story goes. The movie wouldn't be any different without Batman or the JLA. Constantine literally introduces the whole Justice League Dark team himself and fights the mystic enemies himself or with his team because they know how to. The movie absolutely did not need Batman or the JLA.

Except that both Zatanna and John don't become involved until they are recruited by Batman and Boston. Batman adds gravitas to the situation. That said, Batman does NOT carry the weight of the story; that is left to Constantine and his team.

Yes, in the comics, but this movie isn't in the comics. It's separate. Batman doesn't know these people. He barely knows Zatanna.

Very true. However I was riffing off of your own earlier post which brought up the subject in the first place.

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[–] Brother_h 7 years ago

Well it's simple. Write the movie so Constantine becomes involved after seeing what's going on, instead of writing for Deadman to ask Batman for help on Zatannas behalf, just to talk to Constantine who already knew. Like I said, Batman was not needed in the film. Zatanna could have seen what was happening and she could have found Constantine, and Constantine could introduce the mystic side of the DC animated films without the need for Batman or the Justice League.

Very true. However I was riffing off of your own earlier post which brought up the subject in the first place.

Which one?

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[–] Otaku-sempai 7 years ago

Which one?

Um, the one I quoted when I wrote my reply. Which one did you think? 

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[–] Brother_h 7 years ago

You made a lot of replies and quoted me a few times. The last one was the previous response to you. So that doesn't add up.

Be more specific.

If you mean this one--

" In the comics, Batman only knows of most of these people. He doesn't actually know them personally. "

--then it doesn't save any of your retorts and only negates your argument further, for trying to deviate away from the present solution to a problem.

Problem: Batman not needed.

Solution: Don't add him.

Your argument: He was needed. Reason why? No real reasons actually given, but a lot of really bad excuses.

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[–] Otaku-sempai 7 years ago

" In the comics, Batman only knows of most of these people. He doesn't actually know them personally. "

--then it doesn't save any of your retorts and only negates your argument further, for trying to deviate away from the present solution to a problem.

Yes, that one. I quoted it in the same post where I replied to it. If you criticize my response, it is only because your own statement was equally irrelevant to the general discussion. As I stated though, I was responding directly to what you yourself posted. Consider the whole thing a digression or sidebar; that's how I was treating it.

One person's reason is another person's excuse. Semantics. The bottom line, though, is we have the Justice League at the beginning to establish that we have a threat that is beyond their abilities. That introduces Batman into the story automatically. He remains part of the plot because he is a familiar character to the audiences and a proven draw. That is why he is featured prominently on the cover art. It's really that simple.

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[–] Brother_h 7 years ago

Batman was needed to help introduce the others also what I meant is in the comics batman is friends with these guys it helps make introducing these characters easier with batman there not to mention batman as shown in this film was a team member of there team an he was used as a team member helping them out in the fights

The other person felt the need to say "Hey, Batman is friends with them in the comics!". Hence, the relevancy of my statement. It was a response to a comment you didn't read.

we have a threat that is beyond their abilities. That introduces Batman into the story automatically.

And that's the problem I mentioned. He isn't needed at all in the story. He has no reason in story to be there. Hell, Wonder Woman has greater reason to be approached for help since she is magical. Shazam has a greater reason to be there since he is magical. Batman is only there for marketing. He's even on the front of the cover.

I'm saying he isn't needed. So far all I've had in his defense for being so involved in the film are really honestly bad excuses.

>He knows them in the comics

He actually doesn't.

>It's a Justice LEague movie-

So where's the Justice League? Why aren't they more involved?

>Batman is needed to introduce the team

Except he doesn't do that. Constantine does.

>Batman is needed to stand in for the audience who don't know the team.

Except films and TV shows have done that without the need of a recognizable character. Constantine gave an exposition to each character perfectly to his own friends, whom he actually knows personally, that gave enough details on the characters regardless of Batman being there.

>Batman can help with the fighting

While true he does help in the fighting, he could easily be written out for more sequences involving Deadmans heroics, which were actually really awesome. And the battle with Faust was largely between the Magic Casters.

The only reason he is featured heavily in the film is to sell the DVDs because WB executives can't sell DC characters without Batman. It's that simple.

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[–] Otaku-sempai 7 years ago

>He knows them in the comics

He actually doesn't.

Except that he actually does (depending on which continuity we are using). In the comics, Batman had met and fought beside many of the characters associated with Justice League Dark. This might not be true in the 'New 52' continuity, but it is the case in the larger history of DC Comics.

So where's the Justice League? Why aren't they more involved?

We don't need the entire League just to gather a new team. It's Batman who has the connection to Zatanna.

>Batman is needed to introduce the team

Except he doesn't do that. Constantine does.

And it is through Batman and his connection to Zatanna that Constantine is brought into the story.

>Batman is needed to stand in for the audience who don't know the team.

Except films and TV shows have done that without the need of a recognizable character.

Tell that to Warner Bros.' marketing department. Batman is recognizable and popular and provides a ready hook for potential buyers. Note how prominently he appears on the packaging. I'm not defending it, just pointing out the fact.

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[–] Brother_h 7 years ago

Tell that to Warner Bros.' marketing department. Batman is recognizable and popular and provides a ready hook for potential buyers. Note how prominently he appears on the packaging.

No kidding. Almost as if I already said that half a dozen times.

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[–] Otaku-sempai 7 years ago

No kidding. Almost as if I already said that half a dozen times.

Yes, and your not wanting him in the movie is never going to change that fact. It remains relevant whether you wish it so or not.

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